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Post by formatcyes on Jan 24, 2016 13:54:57 GMT -6
I monitor using console not software monitoring in logic while tracking which provides very low latency tracking with console but audio playback is not in time with what I tracked (barely out but out nonetheless.) Kcatthedog I've had Apollos for a couple of years and watch those setup videos many times Do wiz's trick and manually enter the latency
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 24, 2016 13:59:42 GMT -6
M57, get EZ Drummer. If I could start again, i'd get EZ Drummer instead of Superior Drummer. It's way easier to find beats that fit. For $99 or whatever it sells for on sale, you're problems are solved.
I assume some people like Apple's Drummer because it can create tracks automatically, and sometimes, there are some good parts. Then you can the drag the midi to the Toontacks drum track, and use whichever EZ or Superior drum you want.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jan 24, 2016 15:25:40 GMT -6
I'm probably doing something wrong, but in Low Latency mode, I'm unable to send to a headphone buss (the sends are greyed out when record is armed - and it doesn't seem to matter if I have 'allow input monitoring' selected or not). I don't know why, but I also always have level problems in LL-mode. I always have to put a gain plug on the track. - but I have no latency problems because once ITB, I stay ITB. MJB, I hear you about drummer - I'm having a love/hate relationship with it. I think it's really good for down and dirty tracking - with fills mostly in the right places and the kick and snare following reasonably, and some basic tweaking by moving regions and playing around with the matrix goes a bit further, but beyond that further progress is painstaking and to get it any closer without pulling my hair out (and I have VERY little hair) is to render to a midi track and edit away - but then at that point, I'm usually ready to bring in a real drummer. You need to click-hold on the sends and set them to "Low-Latency Safe"
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 24, 2016 15:54:39 GMT -6
Dang, never even knew of that NF Chuck, thanks. I'll look into that.
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Post by M57 on Jan 24, 2016 16:40:35 GMT -6
Dang, never even knew of that NF Chuck, thanks. I'll look into that. Sure 'nough! It works! I guess it's Logic's way of preserving horsepower or memory, or both.. Haven't actually recorded using it yet, but it definitely opened up the send.. Thanks, Chuck.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jan 24, 2016 18:20:37 GMT -6
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Post by M57 on Jan 24, 2016 18:39:44 GMT -6
I'm using Logic X, not 9, but no doubt it applies here as well. We'll see if it helps. If all I'm putting in the path is some gain and a little verb, hopefully all will be OK. In fact, when recording multiple tracks, it may be better if I'm using the buss as a headphone mix because I'll be applying gain once after summing rather than gain and verb on each individual track and then summing, right? In any case - it's good to know it can be done.
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Post by mrholmes on Jan 25, 2016 5:12:33 GMT -6
Sure the more the power of the computer is needed the bigger gets the latency with Logic. Low latency mode helps a lot it also helps to use plug ins which ad minimal latency. For example the Klanghelm compressor is near to zero latency.
If everything fails I use the console, or direct monitoring via the RME interface which is 2 ms latency.
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Post by odyssey76 on Jan 25, 2016 21:04:31 GMT -6
let me know if you need help. logic is super easy to use! Chuck - you posted a Logic X video a little while ago having to do with flex. I thought I had bookmarked it but to no avail. You don't remember what thread that was, do you? Great tutorial! Thanks!
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jan 25, 2016 21:22:03 GMT -6
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Post by svart on Jan 25, 2016 21:30:07 GMT -6
Lemme know when you come around to Reaper.
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Post by RicFoxx on Jan 26, 2016 6:35:24 GMT -6
F9 tutorials are well done!!
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Post by M57 on Jan 26, 2016 6:44:52 GMT -6
F9 tutorials are well done!! MusicTechHelpGuy tutorials cover MANY areas, essentially letting you zoom in on a topic when you want to get a solid overview of how it works.
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Post by bradd on Jan 26, 2016 15:22:35 GMT -6
Last year I was on the verge of pulling the trigger on a PTHD Native setup when Avid came out with their subscription plan. I started looking into Logic and went with a Logic/Symphony rig. I couldn't be happier. There is a learning curve with any software and Logic is no exception. The best advice I can give is to watch and study the videos on Youtube that are done by MusicTechHelpGuy. They are superbly done and extremely helpful. If you study those videos and the manual and give yourself some time to learn the product, I think you will really like it. For guys like us that produce our own music, it's pretty hard to beat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2016 16:05:47 GMT -6
My E Licenser casing has fallen completely off so I downloaded the demo of Reaper and wow. I'd be lost. I can't even imagine trying a project in a different DAW. I'd feel lost.
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Post by M57 on Jan 26, 2016 18:21:56 GMT -6
My E Licenser casing has fallen completely off so I downloaded the demo of Reaper and wow. I'd be lost. I can't even imagine trying a project in a different DAW. I'd feel lost. Are you saying you can't imagine trying a project in a DAW other than Reaper, which it sounds like you've never used before but you instantly found to be completely intuitive? That's the way I'm reading your post.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 26, 2016 18:27:53 GMT -6
I gotta be honest...after reading all this stuff, I'm not sure if I really want to start this project in Logic...
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 26, 2016 18:31:09 GMT -6
Come on in the water's fine ( says the guy where just last week it was -30 with the windchill:))
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Post by M57 on Jan 26, 2016 18:46:08 GMT -6
I gotta be honest...after reading all this stuff, I'm not sure if I really want to start this project in Logic... If we're all being honest - they all do the same thing, which begs the question - Why are you even considering changing in the first place? The only reasons to consider changing is that there's something about PT that A. you don't like. --or B. perhaps it's a work-flow thing? .. C. a feature thing? .. D. a philosophical thing? (i.e. you don't like the way they've asked you to repeatedly bend over.). Don't get me wrong, I love Logic, and I'm SO glad I ditched ProTools. There are VERY few things I miss in PT, and MANY things I like better about LPX, but to be fair, I never 'got' PT. I found it cumbersome and un-intuitive. I'm not sure that's the case with you. Why leave something that works? ..that you know how to use? ..which leads me to suspect that you fall in category D. But didn't they just (finally) do something good for their customers? That's what I seem to be getting from that long PT thread as of late. EDIT: It occurs to me from reading further in this thread that you are a Cubase user, not a PT user - in which case not all of the above applies, but still..
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Post by formatcyes on Jan 26, 2016 19:37:50 GMT -6
I gotta be honest...after reading all this stuff, I'm not sure if I really want to start this project in Logic... You are not going to get any pay off going from cubase to logic they are muchness for muchness. The only DAW that will give you something different is Mixbus well worth the effort IMHO, yes Mixbus does sound different to everything else.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jan 26, 2016 20:22:56 GMT -6
the only reason for you to switch to Logic would be the instruments and sounds that come with it. if you wanted to mess around with Alchemy or EXS24 or ES2, for example... Or the Apple Loops...
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 26, 2016 20:23:57 GMT -6
Software instruments...but the more I think about it, the more it just sounds like a pita...
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Post by donr on Jan 26, 2016 21:24:48 GMT -6
I never got off the ground with software instruments, mostly because of the latency performing them within a DAW. I could see hosting them on another 'puter dedicated with a super low buffer, but I invariably use synths as sweetening once I'm well into a mix, and it's frustrating. Is there some method I should be aware of to solve that problem?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 26, 2016 21:29:41 GMT -6
Honestly John, the video link is great ! I'd encourage you to just start a project in logic and work with it a little at a time. I am under two weeks in but Logic seems a better environment for developing a song for me as a guitar based songwriter and it does come with lots of plug in features and soft instruments. I was just comping a guitar part and it basically has a sort of swipe function where you can identify the different take parts you want by swiping over them and it automatically places those in your comp track: hell even I can do that so it must be dead easy Anyway your call !
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Post by popmann on Jan 26, 2016 22:27:33 GMT -6
I never got off the ground with software instruments, mostly because of the latency performing them within a DAW. I could see hosting them on another 'puter dedicated with a super low buffer, but I invariably use synths as sweetening once I'm well into a mix, and it's frustrating. Is there some method I should be aware of to solve that problem? Not using DP? I sorta kid, but they were always way behind....even behind ProTools, which is saying something, in terms of virtual instrument hosting. Honestly, as someone who has been using a combination hard and software for 15 years....while nothing touched Gigastudio's Win9x kernel driver, Moore's Law has pretty well narrowed it to where I don't care. Between them mostly all using separate buffers for record enabled instrument tracks and the mixer-it's just not much of a problem....to simply SO much faster system busses--ironically, on the mac side, removal of PCI(e) is the biggest blow. I can't make a USB or FW interface compete head to head with a PCI or PCIe card. But, without direct comparison--it's no longer annoying like it once was. For grand pianos, which NEED some latency my little MacBook and USB can stick right with the Kronos--where I've actually induced latency on the grand samples. It all gets more complicated when you try to host it inside a busy DAW, though. From sample rate differences....competing for disk resources....and the latency compensation of the app's mixer inducing TONS of latency for the plug ins (which always kills the real time feed by definition)....to not being able to record the audio LIVE without extra bussing(and thus latency)....it's just easier to have a second box. I know that's not a popular opinion, because it really has been made "ok" in most apps....but, like I said--I'm picky. I grew up playing hardware synths and pianos and organs....and moved to software with Gigastudio, which effectively WAS hardware latency....and then for years kept the audio in hardware--playing software synths "live" recording the audio from a PCI card to the hardware recorder--so, I feel you. You CAN mostly solve the problem....but, it requires dynamic reconfiguration--something that is alleviated by simply using hardware or a second machine--where it's like anything else you're recording. Disable all the audio plug ins. Use the "instrument track" to initiate a second smaller buffer rather than a racked/auxed instrument and MIDI tracks Don't buy instruments that utilize things like Kontakt's input scripting Use PCI/e if you have the option for audio interface (on the machine running the VI)
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