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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 29, 2016 9:33:12 GMT -6
I have to say, as someone who can count on one hand the benefits of switching to a software based system.....that is on there. I have the MCU at the desk, and can honestly leave it off and only curse on occasion, but tracking with the Tranzport is a thing of beauty. I have mine mounted on a mic stand that also has a headphone holder with a set of cans with a hella long cable wrapped up. So, I can adjust it and sit all the way across the studio on the couch playing acoustic....or up for cutting vocals or Egtr.....or move it over to the piano or Hammond....having tried the "iphone as remote"--one HUGE flaw--it sleeps before the song is over. Now, I know you can adjust that....and then adjust it back after you're done, but....it always feels fumbly by comparison. I don't have a negative thing to say about Tranzport. I feel like it's a mistake to have discontinued it. But, I guess they didn't really--they just went under. RIP. Totally, totally agree...there is something about the iPad staying on the whole time that I'm averse to...I have no idea what it is - maybe it's being born before the 80s that sometimes makes me personify machines to think they're "getting tired" lol. There's just something about burning through the battery that just worries me...maybe I need more lexapro.
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Post by M57 on Jan 29, 2016 9:49:10 GMT -6
I keep reading various anecdotes that suggest that Logic has a poorly designed audio system.. Can anyone suggest otherwise? Given that I have read none of these anecdotes, I would turn the question around. I have every reason to believe that Logic's system 'may' actually be a superior design both functionally and sonically because it is streamlined to work with the hardware manufactured by the same company that developed the operating system. Can anyone suggest why this might not be?
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Post by M57 on Jan 29, 2016 9:53:40 GMT -6
I have to say, as someone who can count on one hand the benefits of switching to a software based system.....that is on there. I have the MCU at the desk, and can honestly leave it off and only curse on occasion, but tracking with the Tranzport is a thing of beauty. I have mine mounted on a mic stand that also has a headphone holder with a set of cans with a hella long cable wrapped up. So, I can adjust it and sit all the way across the studio on the couch playing acoustic....or up for cutting vocals or Egtr.....or move it over to the piano or Hammond....having tried the "iphone as remote"--one HUGE flaw--it sleeps before the song is over. Now, I know you can adjust that....and then adjust it back after you're done, but....it always feels fumbly by comparison. I don't have a negative thing to say about Tranzport. I feel like it's a mistake to have discontinued it. But, I guess they didn't really--they just went under. RIP. Totally, totally agree...there is something about the iPad staying on the whole time that I'm averse to...I have no idea what it is - maybe it's being born before the 80s that sometimes makes me personify machines to think they're "getting tired" lol. There's just something about burning through the battery that just worries me...maybe I need more lexapro. My iPad 2 has been 'on' mostly 24/7 for the last 5 or 6 years with the same battery, with the screen staying on for hours on end when it has been in my studio. Might I suggest an opposing view (I was born before the 60's) ..that your personified rechargeable batteries prefer to be used, so they "stay in shape."
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Post by popmann on Jan 29, 2016 10:20:52 GMT -6
I keep reading various anecdotes that suggest that Logic has a poorly designed audio system.. Can anyone suggest otherwise? Poorly designed how? I know some have questioned the dual buffering when L9 was released....but, everyone also copied it eventually. The under the hood reliance on CoreAudio by ANY app can be construed as "inferior" to ASIO or another HAL level driver that will slave the computer to the audio clock. But, historically, Logic will have the second most mature NATIVE audio engine--due to their partnership with Apogee to take on Avid's hardware systems what 8+ years ago. But, they "sold" the real time latency angle--not the full IO compensation like Steinberg did years before.
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Post by svart on Jan 29, 2016 10:49:10 GMT -6
I keep reading various anecdotes that suggest that Logic has a poorly designed audio system.. Can anyone suggest otherwise? Poorly designed how? I know some have questioned the dual buffering when L9 was released....but, everyone also copied it eventually. The under the hood reliance on CoreAudio by ANY app can be construed as "inferior" to ASIO or another HAL level driver that will slave the computer to the audio clock. But, historically, Logic will have the second most mature NATIVE audio engine--due to their partnership with Apogee to take on Avid's hardware systems what 8+ years ago. But, they "sold" the real time latency angle--not the full IO compensation like Steinberg did years before. I don't know. I've just read on a number of forums that people refuse to use logic because of "Poor audio engine" or other such descriptions. Not that it matters to me, I'm never moving away from Reaper. I was just wondering.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jan 29, 2016 12:04:13 GMT -6
I did a null test between protools and logic 9 and ableton Live a couple years ago. Once I set them to all use the same Pan Law (-3db), the test file generated by SpectraFoo and rendered by each DAW nulled out inside each DAW when I compared them all. www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/813082-curiosity-satisfied.html It's an old thread so the dropbox link is dead.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 29, 2016 12:48:28 GMT -6
I guess Adele's producer missed the don't use logic mem ?
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Post by formatcyes on Jan 29, 2016 14:15:42 GMT -6
I did a null test between protools and logic 9 and ableton Live a couple years ago. Once I set them to all use the same Pan Law (-3db), the test file generated by SpectraFoo and rendered by each DAW nulled out inside each DAW when I compared them all. www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/813082-curiosity-satisfied.html It's an old thread so the dropbox link is dead. Thanks chuck debate ends there.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 8, 2016 13:09:05 GMT -6
Here is a video link about how to bypass your internal drive and download logic content right to an external HD.
I bought another ssd from OWC and will install it into my mbp optical drive so I can have logic on my ssd boot drive and all other content on another internal ssd: both 6 gb speed so R/W won't be compromised at all and all my samples on the same laptop.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 8, 2016 13:37:48 GMT -6
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Post by rowmat on Feb 8, 2016 22:06:32 GMT -6
We use Reaper on a 2008 iMac in a hybrid setup however I decided to give Logic a shot mainly for the sample libraries and downloaded it for the first time at the weekend.
Our studio iMac is far too slow to run Logic Prox X samples and record and we mainly just want to be able to utilise various pianos and vintage key samples.
We aren't midi guys and are more 'old school' as far as recording is concerned.
The intention is to use Logic on a 2012 MacBook (2.7 ghz i7, 16gigs RAM) with a Yamaha KX88 controller keyboard and a Sound Devices Mix Pre-D for D/A conversion and record the output back into Reaper.
We currently have an upright piano, a 1970's cheesy electronic organ and a 110 year old pump organ which sounds fantastic but find we have been missing things like grand pianos, Rhodes, Wurlys, Hammonds and strings etc which we now have access to using Logic.
So the plan is to stick with Reaper for recording and use Logic as a virtual standalone instrument.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Feb 8, 2016 22:50:21 GMT -6
I really like Logic's Yamaha piano, the accordion's pretty good, strings are good, horns good. The guitar amp sims are as good as everyone else's with one e exception, and some of their pedals work nicely. I never took to the Drummer, it's difficult to get anything exactly how you want it, but the 20 odd drum kits they give you are a great bonus, because you can use them with midi from a different source like Superior Drummer.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 12, 2016 20:40:03 GMT -6
Downloadable Logic Content
As Logic has like 65 gigs of content I ended up getting a 2nd ssd 240 gb 6g OWC drive and installed it in my mbp's optical drive.
So, I have a 12O gb 6g and the new 240 gb ssd both in my mbp .
To download the content, I made the new drive 2 the boot drive , deleted Logic from the Application folder on drive 1, re-downloaded and installed Logic to the new boot drive 2( its working fine) and am downloading the rest of the content now.
Originally I thought I would have my OS's and logic on one drive ! ( boot) and store all sample libraries and music on the other drive 2.
Apple support told me to install logic and the content on the same drive and to install el cap to the same drive. So, I actually have el cap on both drives now.
Do people have opinions about how best to use 2 ssd's with Logic and or with audio recording in general ?
Once the content is all downloaded to the drive 2. I could re delete Logic from it and redownload it to the drive 1 and check if everything is working and if so delete el cap from the drive 2 to end up with my OS and daws on drive 1 and my sample libraries and music on Drive 2 ?
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Feb 12, 2016 23:59:03 GMT -6
dude, just use Symbolic Links to put it on Drive 2 and skip all that other nonsense about installing El Capitan. Install logic normally on your main drive with all libraries. then drag all the libraries to your other drive. finally, set up symbolic links where those libraries used to exist, and be done :-)
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Post by ericbradley on Feb 13, 2016 2:47:21 GMT -6
Do people have opinions about how best to use 2 ssd's with Logic and or with audio recording in general ? Once the content is all downloaded to the drive 2. My advice is: Use the new SSD as your system drive including Logic and including all its content. There really is no point in moving the content unless you are constrained by space. i would also move the largest SSD to slot 1 and the smallest to your optical port. Use the smallest SSD for projects. So you can just reformat it and start as a clean disk. Here I recommend creating a symlink from ~/Music/Logic to a folder on your Project SSD. This way Logic will default to that folder when opening/saving projects.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 13, 2016 6:38:08 GMT -6
Thx Guys, As I didn't have enough space on Drive 1 (the 120 gb drive bottom left) that is why I got the 240g drive 2 (top left ). El cap, Logic and all content is now on the new drive 2 and working fine. Does it matter to the mac ,as a system, which drive is the boot drive or which is in slot 1 or 2 ? The video that was posted at beginning of thread stated that os and samples should be on different drive so they can read and write simultaneously, does that not matter as the ssd are so fast ? Attachment Deleted
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Post by ericbradley on Feb 13, 2016 7:00:33 GMT -6
No. It shouldn't matter which SATA slot you choose for your system drive. It's mostly my OCD that likes to organize it this way.
The dogma of having a separate drive to stream samples and loops is basically circumvented by using solid state instead of spinning drives.
When it comes to Logic's own content it streams directly from RAM instead of disk. This applies to Apple Loops and EXS samples so you are really not gaining anything by keeping it separate except for space.
When it comes to 3rd party instruments it really depends. Some will stream from RAM and some only load the transient portion into memory while streaming the rest from disk. It is however very handy to keep 3rd party sample libraries separate as they tend to be pretty large in size. This helps you keeping the system drive fairly small and has its advantages when backing up or when upgrading systems.
But as I said regarding the Logic content: If you have the space it's much easier to keep it in one place.
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Post by swurveman on Feb 13, 2016 7:51:59 GMT -6
I have to say, as someone who can count on one hand the benefits of switching to a software based system.....that is on there. I have the MCU at the desk, and can honestly leave it off and only curse on occasion, but tracking with the Tranzport is a thing of beauty. I have mine mounted on a mic stand that also has a headphone holder with a set of cans with a hella long cable wrapped up. So, I can adjust it and sit all the way across the studio on the couch playing acoustic....or up for cutting vocals or Egtr.....or move it over to the piano or Hammond....having tried the "iphone as remote"--one HUGE flaw--it sleeps before the song is over. Now, I know you can adjust that....and then adjust it back after you're done, but....it always feels fumbly by comparison. I don't have a negative thing to say about Tranzport. I feel like it's a mistake to have discontinued it. But, I guess they didn't really--they just went under. RIP. I do the same thing with a laptop controlling my DAW with the Windows Remote Desktop function. I'm curious though, how do you see which tracks to arm with the Tranzport? It would be great to have a smaller DAW controller with a simple record on/off button that had a big enough screen to locate the specific track needed to record on.
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Post by popmann on Feb 13, 2016 9:01:41 GMT -6
Well, you can scroll through the tracks to record enable whatever via the name of the track....but, I can't say I've ever needed that much, as it's hard for me to come up with a real world scenario--I guess if I was using it to stack harmony vocals by myself but with the same mic? But, yes--there are just up down arrows to select the track, and a lit up red rec enable button whose status changes with the selected track.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 13, 2016 10:01:50 GMT -6
Yes I have put logic and all lts content on the new drive. (2) Just re-installing my other plugs this a.m.. I have bunch of uvi stuff so that is taking a while. So far, so good. As el cap is on the new drive (2) now and it is booting from there and everything seems to be working fine: think I will get back to working on my logic project After a few weeks working with logic, can't say I am missing pro tools , other than the familiarity. Logic seems much more versatile for developing the song itself as part of the work.
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Post by ericbradley on Feb 13, 2016 13:02:36 GMT -6
Sounds good. Enjoy Logic Pro X.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 14, 2016 11:15:51 GMT -6
How 2 globally change temp and not re record ?
So far so good with my first Logic project.
I recorded to click at 90 bpm and would like to try to change that to 95 bpm and not re-record.
I have about 10 audio tracks and have a midi drum track that will get replaced with real drums.
Apple gave me a 90 day support so I called and was told to change the project tempo to 95 and bob's your uncle.
Tempo sped up but all the audio tracks are not playing back at 95. I turned-on flex time global and in the tracks, still not aligned.
I have been editing sections by cutting and pasting to create the current song structure. I have not glued those tracks each into 1 new track.
So any advice about how to increase the track/project tempo after the fact ?
Thx !
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Feb 14, 2016 11:51:41 GMT -6
I think you gotta set up all the flex time stuff first before you change tempo. Including adding all the flex markers every 8th or 16th note or however it works. I never mess with it, so i cant say for certain.
In reality, you should rerecord everything tho at the new tempo. It'll sound better than some time-stretched/shrunk region
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Post by M57 on Feb 14, 2016 12:03:53 GMT -6
I think you gotta set up all the flex time stuff first before you change tempo. Including adding all the flex markers every 8th or 16th note or however it works. I never mess with it, so i cant say for certain. In reality, you should rerecord everything tho at the new tempo. It'll sound better than some time-stretched/shrunk region Re-Recording is best - however - an easier solution than dealing with a thousand flex markers is to Delete ALL of the flex markers except one at the beginning and one at the end, then pull the end marker to the appropriate last played beat - Everything else should line up automagically.
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Post by M57 on Feb 14, 2016 12:11:14 GMT -6
Deleting a thousand flex markers is a PITA - Now that I think of it, you shouldn't need to do that - You should be able to 'select' the first and last - and then depending on where you grab the flex marker it should ignore all of the others.. (grabbing it in the middle or the top does two different things).
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