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iLok 2
Dec 22, 2015 15:15:36 GMT -6
Post by drbill on Dec 22, 2015 15:15:36 GMT -6
i started on protools before ilok. i was forced to get an ilok or never upgrade. ilok has locked me out of protools at least 100 times over the years. sometimes it locks me out of slate, kush, etc. then when i go to sell the licenses i bought and paid for they charge $25. i just sold vmr last week and there were 2 of them in my account. i paid $25 to transfer and it ended up being the free the license i downloaded to try revive. i ended up having to pay another $25 to transfer the right one... i feel bad for the independent developers who are consequentially getting their programs cracked after the fact, but im not gonna be crying any tears ilok. ilok has locked me out of protools at least 100 times over the years. I've been on pro tools since the 90's, i've NEVER been locked out, not once, and not when ilok had that meltdown a couple years ago, you must have the worst luck in history to be locked out at least 100 times. Agreed. I'm on PT at least 340 days a year since PT 2.0. Never once been locked out. There are other problems than iLok with your system porkyman.
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iLok 2
Dec 22, 2015 15:22:18 GMT -6
Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 22, 2015 15:22:18 GMT -6
Likewise I've never had a problem. Some magazine writer had big problems with an early beta iLock and people have been referring to his rant for a decade. An awful lot of corporate systems use iLock. PACE would have been sued out of existence years ago if it were even 10% as bad as some people claim. The only thing I know that will shut it down is the presence of debugging software. That was what broke it in some of the windows 10 previews.
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Post by ragan on Dec 22, 2015 15:27:31 GMT -6
ilok has locked me out of protools at least 100 times over the years. I've been on pro tools since the 90's, i've NEVER been locked out, not once, and not when ilok had that meltdown a couple years ago, you must have the worst luck in history to be locked out at least 100 times. Agreed. I'm on PT at least 340 days a year since PT 2.0. Never once been locked out. There are other problems than iLok with your system porkyman. I always wonder about that too. What kind of systems are these iLok problems happening on? MJB I know had a dramatic lockout but I also remember him having system issues with all sorts of other stuff too. Seems to me like on a clean system iLok works almost perfectly. I'm admittedly no expert though.
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iLok 2
Dec 22, 2015 15:37:02 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 22, 2015 15:37:02 GMT -6
I've never had an iLok issue in 13ish years (knock on wood).
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iLok 2
Dec 22, 2015 18:51:06 GMT -6
Post by porkyman on Dec 22, 2015 18:51:06 GMT -6
all of you who havent had ilok issues are either a. the luckiest ppl in the world. b. not using a ton of ilok protected plugs, or c. have and just dont realize it.
you mean youve never once had to force quit or restart your computer on startup of PT in your entire life? youve never once had your ilok plugs grayed out? youve never once had cpu overload on ilok plugs and been forced to close out? youve never been caught between updates, or suffered the wrath of a new one? i have a lot of respect for everyone on this board. especially Dr. Bill, and i would never call any of you liars. all im saying is you better find some freaking wood and start knocking.
someone said earlier ilok is charging these developers $40,000 to use their product. i seriously hope theyre getting their money back.
i think subscription is the only way forward. i resisted at first but its making more and more sense. everything should just be encrypted with a simple time bomb like trials are, and every 30 days you have to reset the clock via direct connect to the developers site. it makes plugs accessible to everybody because it only takes a few bucks to start using them right away. you basically rent them. almost like video on demand, and because you can stop using them any time you want it gives developers incentive to constantly be improving their products. to keep their consumers resubscribing.. in return developers get a steady stream of income as well copy protection. its a win win win in all directions.
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iLok 2
Dec 22, 2015 19:00:36 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 22, 2015 19:00:36 GMT -6
all of you who havent had ilok issues are either a. the luckiest ppl in the world. b. not using a ton of ilok protected plugs, or c. have and just dont realize it. you mean youve never once had to force quit or restart your computer on startup of PT in your entire life? youve never once had your ilok plugs grayed out? youve never once had cpu overload on ilok plugs and been forced to close out? youve never been caught between updates, or suffered the wrath of a new one? i have a lot of respect for everyone on this board. especially Dr. Bill, and i would never call any of you liars. all im saying is you better find some freaking wood and start knocking. someone said earlier ilok is charging these developers $40,000 to use their product. i seriously hope theyre getting their money back. i think subscription is the only way forward. i resisted at first but its making more and more sense. everything should just be encrypted with a simple time bomb like trials are, and every 30 days you have to reset the clock via direct connect to the developers site. it makes plugs accessible to everybody because it only takes a few bucks to start using them right away. you basically rent them. almost like video on demand, and because you can stop using them any time you want it gives developers incentive to constantly be improving their products. to keep their consumers resubscribing.. in return developers get a steady stream of income as well copy protection. its a win win win in all directions. The only losers with subscription plans are our wallets.
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iLok 2
Dec 22, 2015 19:00:40 GMT -6
Post by porkyman on Dec 22, 2015 19:00:40 GMT -6
looks like i was wrong about the delay of 12.4. ive been so proud of Avid lately. theyve gone from worst to first.
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Post by drbill on Dec 22, 2015 19:15:45 GMT -6
all of you who havent had ilok issues are either a. the luckiest ppl in the world. b. not using a ton of ilok protected plugs, or c. have and just dont realize it. you mean youve never once had to force quit or restart your computer on startup of PT in your entire life? youve never once had your ilok plugs grayed out? youve never once had cpu overload on ilok plugs and been forced to close out? youve never been caught between updates, or suffered the wrath of a new one? i have a lot of respect for everyone on this board. especially Dr. Bill, and i would never call any of you liars. all im saying is you better find some freaking wood and start knocking. someone said earlier ilok is charging these developers $40,000 to use their product. i seriously hope theyre getting their money back. i think subscription is the only way forward. i resisted at first but its making more and more sense. everything should just be encrypted with a simple time bomb like trials are, and every 30 days you have to reset the clock via direct connect to the developers site. it makes plugs accessible to everybody because it only takes a few bucks to start using them right away. you basically rent them. almost like video on demand, and because you can stop using them any time you want it gives developers incentive to constantly be improving their products. to keep their consumers resubscribing.. in return developers get a steady stream of income as well copy protection. its a win win win in all directions. I don't consider myself especially lucky, but I don't think I'm unlucky either. I've got a DOUBLE TON of iLok protected plugins. And to the best of my knowledge never been "locked out" although maybe I have been but just keep working away without knowing it??? - Never had to force quit PT on startup, although I've had PT quit on startup on occasion. More often with Yosemite. Maybe that's iLok related? I have no idea there... - Never ever had my iLok plugs greyed out - that I know for sure - Never had cpu overload from iLok plugs and been forced to close out - that I'm sure of also - I'm not sure what you mean by being caught between updates, so...dunno...maybe iLok has been a dream come true for me, and for everyone I know *personally* who uses them. I;ve never heard anything but satisfaction - FIRST hand. I'm honestly baffled by those who are internet haters, but I still can't figure it out. Just for the record - I've always used them on a Mac tower, always with PT MIX, HD or HDX - no native based systems. All DSP based high end PT systems. For me, Yosemite & PT12 HDX has been the most buggy of any PT version in recent memory. I've got to upgrade to 12.3 and see if things are better.... Sorry for your problems, but honestly, I don't think I'm lucky or need to knock on wood. If I believed the internet, I would have run and hid under a rock to avoid iLok a long, long time ago - but as it stands it's made my life considerably easier. As for subscriptions, you may very well be right, but I hate em.
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 22, 2015 19:28:14 GMT -6
well, honest to goodness, after about 13 YEARS! i just fired up my Ilok2 that Kcat so kindly gave me as a gift, thanx kcatthedog , the only reason i did it was because i needed to jump up from PT10 to 12 for obvious reasons, i've had my original ilok since PT4 or 5? too long ago to remember haha.., maybe it was from a digi 001! I also own the waves platinum bundle dongled on it since 2003, Not any issues at all, and the only time i've ever got greyed out plugs is when i've forgotten to plug the ilok in, plug it in, relaunch, problem solved. I simply have had 0 issues with it, i don't even know it's there unless i forget to plug it in, I'm sure i'm not the only one who's had problem free operation, in fact i'd bet it to be the norm, if enough people hated the ilok like porkyman seems to, the developers would have 86'd them long ago.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 22, 2015 19:33:25 GMT -6
Gave ? gee I seem to recall a really great guy who spent hours on the phone (Like cat5) talking me through continuity trouble shooting my 47 build ! It was the least I could do to say thanks , bro !!
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iLok 2
Dec 22, 2015 19:39:02 GMT -6
Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 22, 2015 19:39:02 GMT -6
I've got 129 activations on mine. I had even more when waves was using it.
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iLok 2
Dec 22, 2015 19:51:22 GMT -6
Post by porkyman on Dec 22, 2015 19:51:22 GMT -6
honestly, we are living in alternate universes. i am equally as baffled about you as you are of me. i have never heard anyone praise ilok before in my life. i dont even understand what there is to praise. at least not on duc or gs. but i guess its because im never there searching for praise. im only ever there searching for solutions to my ilok woes.
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iLok 2
Dec 22, 2015 20:28:08 GMT -6
Post by kcatthedog on Dec 22, 2015 20:28:08 GMT -6
Another ilok just works for me fanboy here I did have the database migration problem but before and afterwards smooth sailing now I use an apollo and mostly ua plugs but a number of my other plugs are ilok dependent. I find the new mgr app works very well and updating things is a breeze so ya in terms of parallel universes I never understand what all the ilok hate was about; not my experience at all.
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Post by drbill on Dec 22, 2015 20:55:48 GMT -6
i dont even understand what there is to praise. Here's a few : - Instant portability. When I get called out of town to mix and produce, it's great to be able to take all my important software with me on two usb sticks (1 - iLok with authorizations, 2 - thumb drive with plugin folder), plug both in, swap out one folder, boot PT and start mixing / recording with all my fav / needed software. Simple. It takes me all of about 2 minutes to do this. - Super Quick OS upgrades. I don't like upgrading from a previous system - I like starting with a fresh drive and fresh OS install. iLok makes that MUCH, MUCH simpler than looking up all my account names, passwords, email addresses, etc. from years past and reauthorizing all my plugs. I dread that part of an OS upgrade. - if I'm out of town, lose, break or have the iLok stolen (never happened but it could), I've got the zero downtime thing. Back up and running in a jiffy. - Brainless, day in, day out operation (At least for me) that protects (at least it normally does) the developers that I want to keep in business and support. - A simple, standardized way to get your assets, authorize them and get back to work. Less hassle, less remembering arcane methods of authorization, Less time spent on stupid hunting down serials, codes, etc. No relearning and jumping thru new hoops developed and engineered differently by every other developer that uses proprietary methods to authorize. That's my main list of why I praise iLok. There's a lot of praise out there if you're actually looking for it. Plenty of hate too, but again, I for the life of me can't figure out why....
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iLok 2
Dec 22, 2015 21:40:52 GMT -6
Post by henge on Dec 22, 2015 21:40:52 GMT -6
Put me in the never had a problem with ilok camp. Years of use and tons of plugs but I'm on windows and don't use PT.
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Post by ragan on Dec 22, 2015 21:57:11 GMT -6
Like anything, people who do have problems are more likely to post about it. Human nature. No one goes on forum threads just to say "damn, you guys, another day where my iLok sat there and worked".
Same reason someone with a bad experience at a restaurant is more likely to jump on Yelp. Nothing wrong with that but it skews how things appear.
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iLok 2
Dec 23, 2015 1:59:14 GMT -6
Post by porkyman on Dec 23, 2015 1:59:14 GMT -6
i dont even understand what there is to praise. Here's a few : - Instant portability. When I get called out of town to mix and produce, it's great to be able to take all my important software with me on two usb sticks (1 - iLok with authorizations, 2 - thumb drive with plugin folder), plug both in, swap out one folder, boot PT and start mixing / recording with all my fav / needed software. Simple. It takes me all of about 2 minutes to do this. - Super Quick OS upgrades. I don't like upgrading from a previous system - I like starting with a fresh drive and fresh OS install. iLok makes that MUCH, MUCH simpler than looking up all my account names, passwords, email addresses, etc. from years past and reauthorizing all my plugs. I dread that part of an OS upgrade. - if I'm out of town, lose, break or have the iLok stolen (never happened but it could), I've got the zero downtime thing. Back up and running in a jiffy. - Brainless, day in, day out operation (At least for me) that protects (at least it normally does) the developers that I want to keep in business and support. - A simple, standardized way to get your assets, authorize them and get back to work. Less hassle, less remembering arcane methods of authorization, Less time spent on stupid hunting down serials, codes, etc. No relearning and jumping thru new hoops developed and engineered differently by every other developer that uses proprietary methods to authorize. That's my main list of why I praise iLok. There's a lot of praise out there if you're actually looking for it. Plenty of hate too, but again, I for the life of me can't figure out why.... i feel ridiculous disagreeing with you Bill. kinda like the patient arguing with the doctor, but i can not even imagine a system free of ilok problems. i just searched "ilok issues" on duc and it came back with 500 thread results. - when you go out of town, why cant you use their licenses? why do you need to use your own licenses. do you download all your own software on somebody elses computer? what does ilok license manager do that waves license manager doesnt? wouldnt it be more efficient to store your licenses on the same drive as the installers? i have a usb problem on my pc. it only has 6 but 2 are mouse and keyboard. another one for wifi, so technically i only have 3. 1 interface. 1 flash (waves), and 1 for ilok. every time i want to use midi or external HD i have to lose wifi. not that big of a deal but its annoying. - totally agree here but its the same with waves licenses that are stored on regular flash drives. no need for ilok. - i guess that could be a plus. - so is/does waves, plugin alliance, xln etc. and they dont have to pay $40,000. - same as above. i just recently did a clean install and ilok was nice but none of the others were difficult at all. chrome remembered all my usernames and passwords. it was way more irritating tracking down all the installers. i understand the concept of ilok. i just think it does more harm than good. all these developers paid 40k for what? to prevent punk kids from using their software for a few years? its not like they were ever gonna pay for their plug ins in the first place. they just wouldnt use them.
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iLok 2
Dec 23, 2015 7:00:51 GMT -6
Post by mrholmes on Dec 23, 2015 7:00:51 GMT -6
honestly, we are living in alternate universes. i am equally as baffled about you as you are of me. i have never heard anyone praise ilok before in my life. i dont even understand what there is to praise. at least not on duc or gs. but i guess its because im never there searching for praise. im only ever there searching for solutions to my ilok woes. which os do you use?
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iLok 2
Dec 23, 2015 9:49:01 GMT -6
via mobile
Post by ericn on Dec 23, 2015 9:49:01 GMT -6
My problems have all been with Pace recognizing new Licenses, they have all been resolved but the support system just never felt supportive. Agree with Bill all my upgrades have been clean installs and Ilok makes these painless.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Dec 23, 2015 9:57:38 GMT -6
i have a usb problem on my pc. it only has 6 but 2 are mouse and keyboard. another one for wifi, so technically i only have 3. 1 interface. 1 flash (waves), and 1 for ilok. every time i want to use midi or external HD i have to lose wifi. not that big of a deal but its annoying. lol buy a USB hub. They're like $20 from NewEgg or less. You can't seriously expect us to believe that this is a problem anymore. www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2V51YU3966
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 23, 2015 10:05:07 GMT -6
The iLock 1 crack sent several small plug-in developers into bankruptcy. I've been told developers watch their sales drop by 90% every time they get cracked. No developer who has investors can afford to not use the most secure copy protection available.
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Post by WKG on Dec 23, 2015 10:49:23 GMT -6
No problems here on any of my systems with iLok.
I'd be fine if all my licenses were on it, reinstalls would be so much easier.
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iLok 2
Dec 23, 2015 11:43:52 GMT -6
Post by geoff738 on Dec 23, 2015 11:43:52 GMT -6
I've had an iLok fail. Same computer, never moved, non-smoking room etc. It just didn't work one day. Sent it back to Pace. Yup, doesn't work. It was within warranty so they sent me a new one, but the shipping cost almost as much as just buying another.
So, I'd be knocking on wood if you have one that's never caused you trouble.
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 23, 2015 13:31:05 GMT -6
I have always had a spare.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 23, 2015 13:54:11 GMT -6
Here's a few : - Instant portability. When I get called out of town to mix and produce, it's great to be able to take all my important software with me on two usb sticks (1 - iLok with authorizations, 2 - thumb drive with plugin folder), plug both in, swap out one folder, boot PT and start mixing / recording with all my fav / needed software. Simple. It takes me all of about 2 minutes to do this. - Super Quick OS upgrades. I don't like upgrading from a previous system - I like starting with a fresh drive and fresh OS install. iLok makes that MUCH, MUCH simpler than looking up all my account names, passwords, email addresses, etc. from years past and reauthorizing all my plugs. I dread that part of an OS upgrade. - if I'm out of town, lose, break or have the iLok stolen (never happened but it could), I've got the zero downtime thing. Back up and running in a jiffy. - Brainless, day in, day out operation (At least for me) that protects (at least it normally does) the developers that I want to keep in business and support. - A simple, standardized way to get your assets, authorize them and get back to work. Less hassle, less remembering arcane methods of authorization, Less time spent on stupid hunting down serials, codes, etc. No relearning and jumping thru new hoops developed and engineered differently by every other developer that uses proprietary methods to authorize. That's my main list of why I praise iLok. There's a lot of praise out there if you're actually looking for it. Plenty of hate too, but again, I for the life of me can't figure out why.... i feel ridiculous disagreeing with you Bill. kinda like the patient arguing with the doctor, but i can not even imagine a system free of ilok problems. i just searched "ilok issues" on duc and it came back with 500 thread results. - when you go out of town, why cant you use their licenses? why do you need to use your own licenses. do you download all your own software on somebody elses computer? what does ilok license manager do that waves license manager doesnt? wouldnt it be more efficient to store your licenses on the same drive as the installers? i have a usb problem on my pc. it only has 6 but 2 are mouse and keyboard. another one for wifi, so technically i only have 3. 1 interface. 1 flash (waves), and 1 for ilok. every time i want to use midi or external HD i have to lose wifi. not that big of a deal but its annoying. - totally agree here but its the same with waves licenses that are stored on regular flash drives. no need for ilok. - i guess that could be a plus. - so is/does waves, plugin alliance, xln etc. and they dont have to pay $40,000. - same as above. i just recently did a clean install and ilok was nice but none of the others were difficult at all. chrome remembered all my usernames and passwords. it was way more irritating tracking down all the installers. i understand the concept of ilok. i just think it does more harm than good. all these developers paid 40k for what? to prevent punk kids from using their software for a few years? its not like they were ever gonna pay for their plug ins in the first place. they just wouldnt use them. Think I found your problem
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