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iLok 2
Dec 21, 2015 17:35:59 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 21, 2015 17:35:59 GMT -6
I don't fully understand the ramifications, what's going on here? Basically, there are hacked, free, unlicensed, dongle free versions of the plugs that we all paid big bucks for in the wild now. They found a way around the license ad have unlicensed versions working.
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Post by category5 on Dec 21, 2015 18:00:01 GMT -6
This is really bad news. I know more than a few guys who make their living by creating stellar software, and this si going to hurt them big time. At least its Windows only for now. Hopefully PACE has a contingency plan and it's already in action. It would be nice if this stays Windows only. At least these companies can save half of their business. What a shame, right during the holidays too. Only UAD hasn't been compromised now. Ilok 2 was about as safe as copy protection could get, until this. I guess some major upcoming releases are going to get put on hold until the storm is over,
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iLok 2
Dec 21, 2015 18:09:26 GMT -6
Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 21, 2015 18:09:26 GMT -6
There seem to be several different levels of iLock 2 protection so it may not be nearly as big a deal as people think.
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iLok 2
Dec 21, 2015 18:13:14 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 21, 2015 18:13:14 GMT -6
There seem to be several different levels of iLock 2 protection so it may not be nearly as big a deal as people think. From what I saw, there were working versions of Slate and Softube among others. Seems pretty big.
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iLok 2
Dec 21, 2015 18:14:42 GMT -6
Post by kcatthedog on Dec 21, 2015 18:14:42 GMT -6
It is disturbing that google searches do not bring up much info; makes you feel a lot of scrubbing is going on. There is the piracy issue and data/information security issue. If they were hacked how do we know our personal and financial information is secure ?
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iLok 2
Dec 21, 2015 18:15:23 GMT -6
Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 21, 2015 18:15:23 GMT -6
Yes but working for how long and with which hosts and other plug-ins?
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 21, 2015 18:17:08 GMT -6
It is disturbing that google searches do not bring up much info; makes you feel a lot of scrubbing is going on. There is the piracy issue and data/information security issue. If they were hacked how do we know our personal and financial information is secure ? It isn't! Never was nor is the lock on your front door or car.
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iLok 2
Dec 21, 2015 18:23:16 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Dec 21, 2015 18:23:16 GMT -6
It is disturbing that google searches do not bring up much info; makes you feel a lot of scrubbing is going on. There is the piracy issue and data/information security issue. If they were hacked how do we know our personal and financial information is secure ? It isn't! Never was nor is the lock on your front door or car. All to true, but then because , it's tied to my AVID Acct in my case my Ilok is under my dogs name with a disposable email, and a Visa gift card!
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iLok 2
Dec 21, 2015 19:20:30 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 21, 2015 19:20:30 GMT -6
My point was the duplicity and apparent collusion by industry members to withhold information about the breech and it's implications. There are serious issues about fudiciary responsibilities. I understand any system can be hacked it's the system owner's obligation to be accountable and responsible. I don't know that is what is happening: seems more like a cover up.
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Post by WKG on Dec 21, 2015 19:21:11 GMT -6
I really dislike piracy. I snooped around a little and read some of the comments on the sharing sites and it's pretty disgusting.
Too bad there can't be an automatic nuke switch built into plugins that will lock their system down and report them to the FBI for theft.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 21, 2015 19:31:02 GMT -6
I really dislike piracy. I snooped around a little and read some of the comments on the sharing sites and it's pretty disgusting.
Too bad there can't be an automatic nuke switch built into plugins that will lock their system down and report them to the FBI for theft. #truth We've all spent hard earned dollars on these products that the developers have put a lot of time into. Now people are just full on stealing them. ..sounds a lot like Spotify huh?
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 21, 2015 21:32:21 GMT -6
I do not understand why a few young talented nerds, with time to kill, have fun to ruin the work of people they never met. They need to get older and they need to learn that some people work hard for minimum wage. When I was a young boy 15 years old, it was the first life lesson my father taught me. He was letting me clean toilets for a local company when school was off.
They did pay me 5 $ per h.
But my father was right with it: Never watch up to someone, never look down on someone. Be gracefully and modest to everyone.
Those hackers think they have the right to steal the work of someone else. They should clean for 8 h a day toilets.... for free....
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Post by henge on Dec 21, 2015 21:54:17 GMT -6
Unbelievable to me that musicians would steal from dev's but we've all seen it. This won't change the way I buy plugs at all. If I need/want it and it uses ilok, I'll buy it.
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iLok 2
Dec 21, 2015 22:15:59 GMT -6
Post by porkyman on Dec 21, 2015 22:15:59 GMT -6
I never trusted iLok since it locked me out of my sessions twice, once for 5 days and once for 2 days. It felt like the rights to my own property were taken away. I was always curious why a company like Slate didn't develop their own proprietary system like UAD did. Ericn, UAD is somewhat portable. If you have a Twin and a satellite, you can do almost anything you want with them. Sure, it's not the same as a dongle, but they're not that big and work flawlessly. ive always felt it was illegal to force people to buy their products to access their own personal property. if you buy a license from a software company you own it. they cant lock you out of it until you buy one of their keys, and only one of their keys. in a subscription based system it makes sense. or if the dongle came from the same developer like steinberg. but you should have an option. if you want to able to access your licenses on multiple computers then yeah. go buy an ilok. but if you dont you shouldnt have to. part of me is glad. but the other part of me is pretty frickn pissed because its probably gonna effect the release of PT 12.4 and slate pre modules for vmr. on a side note. i read somewhere it would take tens of thousands of man hours to crack ilok2. why would anybody spend that much time on something and receive 0 compensation. somebody's gotta be benefiting from this. either a rival security company or pace themselves by forcing all of us to buy new dongles. it just doesnt make sense. there arent enough hours in a day for this to have happened.
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Post by WKG on Dec 21, 2015 22:21:27 GMT -6
Those hackers think they have the right to steal the work of someone else. They should clean for 8 h a day toilets.... for free....
Yup. Preferably as trustees in the local pokey...
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Post by yotonic on Dec 21, 2015 22:34:38 GMT -6
Unbelievable to me that musicians would steal from dev's but we've all seen it. This won't change the way I buy plugs at all. If I need/want it and it uses ilok, I'll buy it. What musicians? These are kids who want shortcuts to fame at anyones expense. They don't care about musicianship. They are the Kardashian generation they will steal hooks, samples, software and post it all as their own just like Chloe Kardashian posted pictures of pies she didn't really bake. This is the "poser generation unleashed". They don't care if they are complete frauds, as long as they're famous and they can pay $2,000,000 for a piece of shit Wu Tang CD.
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Post by henge on Dec 21, 2015 22:36:23 GMT -6
Unbelievable to me that musicians would steal from dev's but we've all seen it. This won't change the way I buy plugs at all. If I need/want it and it uses ilok, I'll buy it. What musicians? These are kids who want shortcuts to fame at anyones expense. They don't care about musicianship. They are the Kardashian generation they will steal hooks, samples, software and post it all as their own just like Chloe Kardashian posted pictures of pies she didn't really bake. This is the "poser generation unleashed". They don't care if they are complete frauds, as long as they're famous and they can pay $2,000,000 for a piece of shit Wu Tang CD. Quite true!
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 21, 2015 22:52:12 GMT -6
I never trusted iLok since it locked me out of my sessions twice, once for 5 days and once for 2 days. It felt like the rights to my own property were taken away. I was always curious why a company like Slate didn't develop their own proprietary system like UAD did. Ericn, UAD is somewhat portable. If you have a Twin and a satellite, you can do almost anything you want with them. Sure, it's not the same as a dongle, but they're not that big and work flawlessly. ive always felt it was illegal to force people to buy their products to access their own personal property. if you buy a license from a software company you own it. they cant lock you out of it until you buy one of their keys, and only one of their keys. in a subscription based system it makes sense. or if the dongle came from the same developer like steinberg. but you should have an option. if you want to able to access your licenses on multiple computers then yeah. go buy an ilok. but if you dont you shouldnt have to.
part of me is glad. but the other part of me is pretty frickn pissed because its probably gonna effect the release of PT 12.4 and slate pre modules for vmr. on a side note. i read somewhere it would take tens of thousands of man hours to crack ilok2. why would anybody spend that much time on something and receive 0 compensation. somebody's gotta be benefiting from this. either a rival security company or pace themselves by forcing all of us to buy new dongles. it just doesnt make sense. there arent enough hours in a day for this to have happened. 1st, as much as Ilok and software developers have their issues, those people are just trying to make a living and not get their hard work ripped off, being glad to see someone ripped off is just fucked up dude, the part that you really miss is, anytime you buy a product from one of these co's that is dongle secured, they make it clear you are required to buy that and their legal user agreement as well, if you don't like the way they set up that agreement, then just don't buy it, we have some developers here that are getting screwed because of this, and part of you is glad..... I'm biting my tongue....
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 21, 2015 22:55:39 GMT -6
Wish music had a dongle.
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iLok 2
Dec 21, 2015 23:21:52 GMT -6
Post by yotonic on Dec 21, 2015 23:21:52 GMT -6
It does. Just listen to all the shit on the radio and you will picture it.
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iLok 2
Dec 21, 2015 23:49:57 GMT -6
Post by porkyman on Dec 21, 2015 23:49:57 GMT -6
ive always felt it was illegal to force people to buy their products to access their own personal property. if you buy a license from a software company you own it. they cant lock you out of it until you buy one of their keys, and only one of their keys. in a subscription based system it makes sense. or if the dongle came from the same developer like steinberg. but you should have an option. if you want to able to access your licenses on multiple computers then yeah. go buy an ilok. but if you dont you shouldnt have to.
part of me is glad. but the other part of me is pretty frickn pissed because its probably gonna effect the release of PT 12.4 and slate pre modules for vmr. on a side note. i read somewhere it would take tens of thousands of man hours to crack ilok2. why would anybody spend that much time on something and receive 0 compensation. somebody's gotta be benefiting from this. either a rival security company or pace themselves by forcing all of us to buy new dongles. it just doesnt make sense. there arent enough hours in a day for this to have happened. 1st, as much as Ilok and software developers have their issues, those people are just trying to make a living and not get their hard work ripped off, being glad to see someone ripped off is just fucked up dude, the part that you really miss is, anytime you buy a product from one of these co's that is dongle secured, they make it clear you are required to buy that and their legal user agreement as well, if you don't like the way they set up that agreement, then just don't buy it, we have some developers here that are getting screwed because of this, and part of you is glad..... I'm biting my tongue.... i started on protools before ilok. i was forced to get an ilok or never upgrade. ilok has locked me out of protools at least 100 times over the years. sometimes it locks me out of slate, kush, etc. then when i go to sell the licenses i bought and paid for they charge $25. i just sold vmr last week and there were 2 of them in my account. i paid $25 to transfer and it ended up being the free the license i downloaded to try revive. i ended up having to pay another $25 to transfer the right one... i feel bad for the independent developers who are consequentially getting their programs cracked after the fact, but im not gonna be crying any tears ilok.
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Post by jeromemason on Dec 22, 2015 1:45:00 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 2:28:30 GMT -6
Dongles never were safe and most probably never will. Whoever makes claims about how very long it will take to crack one fools himself. In fact dongles are a constant source of problems for many, i.e. drivers problems, beeing locked out from your own property etc...in fact this is more or less the case for most copy protection methods... I know of licensed users of software who use the cracked versions of their software or even pay people to write an emulator for their dongle, because they need hassle-free operation and were so pissed off by the copy protection hassle they see no other viable way to run their software property stable. All this is not new. Software never was a good investment for reselling. As most things digital, including computers and converters. If you want better reselling value, buy hardware. Preferred analog hardware. So i always refused to buy any tyoe of software that is bound to any kind of dongle. As an exception i bought a UAD card for very cheap, bought very few plugins for it though... As said, these crackers do it for fame mostly, as a technical challenge. If 15 yrs old schoolboys can hack a banking card system that is claimed to be "secure for decades", it is naive to think a dongle for audio software would be uncrackable. Registration data of software owner also never has been safe. Everyone knows of news in the papers whenever a huge internet provider has been hacked and millions of email accounts have been corrupted, stolen, misused. If hackers can break into international banking systems of maybe hack Sony for non-commercial reasons, like a group of anonymous and others did even several times, how could everybody think his data could be really safe. It is not. And cynically, the more so-called surveillance technology and data collection for "safety" reasons against terrorism is invented the less safe are your data... /*rant end
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 22, 2015 3:26:41 GMT -6
I do not see dsp based cards in the future, as long they do not overcome the latency problem.
Tony of Klanghelm is right - no protection and low prices is the best protection you can have. At 24 Euro there is no reason to risk that FBI is knocking on your door. I know at least 5 people who just bought his last compressor.
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 22, 2015 3:41:09 GMT -6
Dongles never were safe and most probably never will. Whoever makes claims about how very long it will take to crack one fools himself. In fact dongles are a constant source of problems for many, i.e. drivers problems, beeing locked out from your own property etc...in fact this is more or less the case for most copy protection methods... I know of licensed users of software who use the cracked versions of their software or even pay people to write an emulator for their dongle, because they need hassle-free operation and were so pissed off by the copy protection hassle they see no other viable way to run their software property stable. All this is not new. Software never was a good investment for reselling. As most things digital, including computers and converters. If you want better reselling value, buy hardware. Preferred analog hardware. So i always refused to buy any tyoe of software that is bound to any kind of dongle. As an exception i bought a UAD card for very cheap, bought very few plugins for it though... As said, these crackers do it for fame mostly, as a technical challenge. If 15 yrs old schoolboys can hack a banking card system that is claimed to be "secure for decades", it is naive to think a dongle for audio software would be uncrackable. Registration data of software owner also never has been safe. Everyone knows of news in the papers whenever a huge internet provider has been hacked and millions of email accounts have been corrupted, stolen, misused. If hackers can break into international banking systems of maybe hack Sony for non-commercial reasons, like a group of anonymous and others did even several times, how could everybody think his data could be really safe. It is not. And cynically, the more so-called surveillance technology and data collection for "safety" reasons against terrorism is invented the less safe are your data... /*rant I use the I lok one, and now two, for about ten years on mac osx. I never had a problem. If there was a problem, I even cant remember what it was, the soloution was one e-mail away. Its so simple. Parents teach your kids that stealing music and software is still stealing even if it is just one mouse click away. We have government ads in Germany for every shit but I never saw one which was for protecting someones work. It should be discussed at school ... two FBI Agents could tell cases and they could discuss with the kids....do not steal the work of someone, because he may needs to feed kids and wife, has to pay the debt for his business...
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