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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 8, 2022 12:39:00 GMT -6
Hell yes. -With M1 Ultra processor: 90% faster than 16-core Mac Pro. -With M1 Max processor: 50% faster than 16-core Mac Pro.
On back: 4 Thunderbolt on back 10G Ethernet 2 USB-A ports HDMI 3.5mm audio/headphone out
On front: 2 USB-C ports (Thunderbolt on M1 Ultra version) SDXC slot.
(no official link yet, will update...)
Yikes, just announced prices: M1 Max version starts at $2000 M1 Ultra version starts at $4000
That's more than I would've hoped.
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Post by enlav on Mar 8, 2022 12:42:07 GMT -6
Thanks for the reminder this was going on. Just tuned in... Time to see what that price will be and how much I can trade my new M1 in! edit: Better GPU performance than the macbook pro? This is going to be pricey, but exactly what I -was- waiting for... edit 2:
[...] Yikes, just announced prices: M1 Max version starts at $2000 M1 Ultra version starts at $4000 That's more than I would've hoped. I agree entirely, though I think it makes sense when comparing the prices to the MBP M1Max models. I could be wrong, but I think the cheapest MBP M1max model is still around or a little below $3000. From a viewpoint, you could see the Mac Studio as a Macbook Pro without the display and portability, so an 800-1000 dollar difference seems... within the ball park of acceptable, I guess?
I was certainly hoping for a lower price ($1500-ish) but in hindsight that was probably overly optimistic.
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Post by allbuttonmode on Mar 8, 2022 13:03:38 GMT -6
Jesus Christ. What prices!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2022 13:04:18 GMT -6
How much and are the SSDs going to be soldered in again lol?
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Post by matt on Mar 8, 2022 13:04:25 GMT -6
I may have to swap out my venerable 8-core/64GB Trashcan for an M1 Ultra. It's been a good machine, but it's 9 years old, and plugins have definitely become more CPU-intensive over the years. As the increasingly ancient sage Mick says: time waits for no one!
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 8, 2022 13:13:31 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 8, 2022 13:14:32 GMT -6
Jesus Christ. What prices!!! Nutz really. my m1 mini works just fine.
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Post by dreamsambas on Mar 8, 2022 13:16:58 GMT -6
Damn. Those prices are wild.
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Post by Quint on Mar 8, 2022 13:21:46 GMT -6
$2k for the 32gb 512gb M1 Max model is about what I was expecting for this to be. $1500ish would have been great, but that was probably only possible if they offered a M1 Pro Mini instead, which I would have been totally fine with and would have preferred. That would have been the sweet spot. I don't actually need all of those GPU cores in the Max. And M1 Ultra is totally not needed for most audio, I would think.
That being said, I might consider the new Mac Studio. I was gonna get a 1tb 16gb M1 Mini, but decided to wait to see what was announced today. I'm on the fence. 32gb of ram on the Mac Studio would be nice, but I can't decide if I would need that over 16gb in the Mini. Also, I'm kind of wondering about the fan noise with the new Mac Studio. One nice thing is I don't have to pony up $200+ for a dock, with the extra ports on the Studio, so that shrinks the price gap a bit.
Let's see if anybody offers some introductory sales?
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Post by lando on Mar 8, 2022 14:35:30 GMT -6
Wow, Apple is on a roll. These makes me seriously consider a stationary machine for the studio for the first time. Looking forward to benchmarks.
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Post by dok on Mar 8, 2022 14:43:19 GMT -6
Big fans can move more air at lower speeds and quieter levels. I'm assuming this is why they're included... I was also set on a Mini that I could get 32GB of RAM in, but the more I think about this machine the more intrigued I am. Definitely warrants serious consideration.
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Post by brenta on Mar 8, 2022 15:14:51 GMT -6
It’s much less expensive and much more powerful than the last Intel Mac Pros.
A Mac Studio is about $1k less than a similar specced MacBook Pro. Sounds about right when you factor in the screen and portability.
All that graphics horsepower would be wasted on someone doing strictly audio. But it looks like it’s going to be an absolute beast of a machine that would kick ass for a decade plus.
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Post by ericn on Mar 8, 2022 15:27:32 GMT -6
If we look at prices vs Mac Mini, insane but vs Mac Pro looks inexpensive. So they probably hit it right, maybe a bit high but not as bad as I feared.
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Post by keymod on Mar 8, 2022 15:31:03 GMT -6
A fully tricked out is $7999.00
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Post by dok on Mar 8, 2022 15:40:28 GMT -6
I'm kind of scared at how powerful the Mac Pro is gonna be compared to this. Crazy stuff!
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Post by ericn on Mar 8, 2022 15:59:25 GMT -6
I'm kind of scared at how powerful the Mac Pro is gonna be compared to this. Crazy stuff! Dude no doubt! I keep thinking of back in the early 90’s when I almost bid on a rack full of old Cray gear to put a G4 in to run PT and look really really geeky and cool.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2022 16:07:53 GMT -6
You’re only getting screwed on the single core performance and the storage. Otherwise, this is par for a sicko endgame PC desktop.
An i9-12900 will still allow you to run more high end non-linear plugs on a track. Keep in mind the best modern dynamics plugs are running into the MHz so if you start stacking them, your computer is going to run to a crawl, especially if you’re at 88.2 or 96khz to prevent automation from aliasing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2022 16:08:24 GMT -6
You’re only getting screwed on the single core performance and the storage. Otherwise, this is par for a sicko endgame PC desktop.
An i9-12900 will still allow you to run more high end non-linear plugs on a track. Keep in mind the best modern dynamics plugs are running into the MHz so if you start stacking them, your computer is going to run to a crawl, especially if you’re at 88.2 or 96khz to prevent automation from aliasing.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 8, 2022 16:23:59 GMT -6
SBA( Seriously bad Ass)!!!
“ The M1 Ultra is a monstrous chip supporting up to 128GB of memory. It has a 20-core CPU with 16 high-performance cores and four efficiency cores, as well as a 64-core GPU and a 32-core neural engine. Apple says it’s “nearly” eight times faster than the M1, which powers the latest Mac Mini.”
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Post by Quint on Mar 8, 2022 16:25:48 GMT -6
Anybody have any thoughts on the likelihood that a Mac Mini with M1 Pro/Max will ever see the light of day? Or is that going to rob too much share away from the new Mac Studio?
Based on all of the rumors, I had hopes that a Pro Mini was imminent. Now I'm not sure if that will ever happen.
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Post by brenta on Mar 8, 2022 16:33:32 GMT -6
Anybody have any thoughts on the likelihood that a Mac Mini with M1 Pro/Max will ever see the light of day? Or is that going to rob too much share away from the new Mac Studio? Based on all of the rumors, I had hopes that a Pro Mini was imminent. Now I'm not sure if that will ever happen. Who knows, but I personally doubt it. I think the next Mini will have an M2 processor, and who knows how powerful that will be and i doubt it will be released this year. Looks like Apple is going to have three tiers of desktops: the Mini, the Studio, and the forthcoming Pro.
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Post by brenta on Mar 8, 2022 16:43:21 GMT -6
You’re only getting screwed on the single core performance and the storage. Otherwise, this is par for a sicko endgame PC desktop. An i9-12900 will still allow you to run more high end non-linear plugs on a track. Keep in mind the best modern dynamics plugs are running into the MHz so if you start stacking them, your computer is going to run to a crawl, especially if you’re at 88.2 or 96khz to prevent automation from aliasing. I know we’ve been over this before but the single core performance is competitive. Yes, you can build your own PC and overclock the processor and install liquid cooling blah blah and it will smoke these Macs for single core speeds. But off the shelf they are competitive. If you’re set on Mac for creative work like a lot of us are, there are now great options at many prices and form factors that are all competitive in their class. As far as video work goes I’d argue they are much more than competitive and are in fact best in class. Apple knows the money is in video and us audio guys are mostly all broke.
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Post by ml on Mar 8, 2022 16:44:42 GMT -6
Anybody have any thoughts on the likelihood that a Mac Mini with M1 Pro/Max will ever see the light of day? Or is that going to rob too much share away from the new Mac Studio? Based on all of the rumors, I had hopes that a Pro Mini was imminent. Now I'm not sure if that will ever happen. Who knows, but I personally doubt it. I think the next Mini will have an M2 processor, and who knows how powerful that will be and i doubt it will be released this year. Looks like Apple is going to have three tiers of desktops: the Mini, the Studio, and the forthcoming Pro. I think you’re right, they will never let the mini or air compete with the pro models. So the next mini / MBA refresh will have an M2. That being said I’m super jealous of these new studio models! My mini is still kickin ass though so I guess It’s just GAS.
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 8, 2022 16:51:31 GMT -6
I wish the M1 Max version of the Mac Studio had started at $1500 instead of $2000. At that price point, I would've probably placed an order today. I would personally want to upgrade to the 1TB drive and probably go ahead and add the extra $200 for next tier graphics, as well -- but that's only because I'm doing video/film work. The last two video projects I'm editing (both over the past month) have been longer form, two camera multicam shoots with both angles being 4k. That's where bigger graphics processing really helps.
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Post by Quint on Mar 8, 2022 16:57:35 GMT -6
Would you guys get the 1tb ssd and host the OS AND sample libraries internally on separate partitions or just get the 512gb ssd for the OS and host your sample libraries on an external ssd?
Coming from PC, my past inclination would have been to host sample libraries on a secondary internal drive, but no such option with these new Macs.
I'm considering getting a Mac Studio, but I would need to determine whether or not to spring for the 1tb SSD instead of the 512gb version. I suppose the same question would still apply even if I just end up getting a Mini instead.
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