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Post by Quint on Mar 8, 2022 17:05:12 GMT -6
Who knows, but I personally doubt it. I think the next Mini will have an M2 processor, and who knows how powerful that will be and i doubt it will be released this year. Looks like Apple is going to have three tiers of desktops: the Mini, the Studio, and the forthcoming Pro. I think you’re right, they will never let the mini or air compete with the pro models. So the next mini / MBA refresh will have an M2. That being said I’m super jealous of these new studio models! My mini is still kickin ass though so I guess It’s just GAS. The M2 chips are supposed to actually be slower than the M1 chips, correct?
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Post by dok on Mar 8, 2022 17:07:57 GMT -6
Would you guys get the 1tb ssd and host the OS AND sample libraries internally on separate partitions or just get the 512gb ssd for the OS and host your sample libraries on an external ssd? Coming from PC, my past inclination would have been to host sample libraries on a secondary internal drive, but no such option with these new Macs. I'm considering getting a Mac Studio, but I would need to determine whether or not to spring for the 1tb SSD instead of the 512gb version. I suppose the same question would still apply even if I just end up getting a Mini instead. I would always get as much internal storage and RAM as I could afford. The bummer is that if the mini offered 32GB it would probably come in at around $1500 and would be an immediate purchase from me, but to get 32GB and 1TB from the new Studio it's $2199. And yeah I know that the processor and GPU is also much better in the studio but it's also likely overkill for my audio needs.
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Post by dok on Mar 8, 2022 17:09:06 GMT -6
I think you’re right, they will never let the mini or air compete with the pro models. So the next mini / MBA refresh will have an M2. That being said I’m super jealous of these new studio models! My mini is still kickin ass though so I guess It’s just GAS. The M2 chips are supposed to actually be slower than the M1 chips, correct? ? Why would they make new chips that are slower than the previous generation?
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 8, 2022 17:11:54 GMT -6
I think you’re right, they will never let the mini or air compete with the pro models. So the next mini / MBA refresh will have an M2. That being said I’m super jealous of these new studio models! My mini is still kickin ass though so I guess It’s just GAS. The M2 chips are supposed to actually be slower than the M1 chips, correct? The M2 chips will be faster when they get to them.
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Post by Quint on Mar 8, 2022 17:20:46 GMT -6
Would you guys get the 1tb ssd and host the OS AND sample libraries internally on separate partitions or just get the 512gb ssd for the OS and host your sample libraries on an external ssd? Coming from PC, my past inclination would have been to host sample libraries on a secondary internal drive, but no such option with these new Macs. I'm considering getting a Mac Studio, but I would need to determine whether or not to spring for the 1tb SSD instead of the 512gb version. I suppose the same question would still apply even if I just end up getting a Mini instead. I would always get as much internal storage and RAM as I could afford. The bummer is that if the mini offered 32GB it would probably come in at around $1500 and would be an immediate purchase from me, but to get 32GB and 1TB from the new Studio it's $2199. And yeah I know that the processor and GPU is also much better in the studio but it's also likely overkill for my audio needs. I agree. But would you run your samples internally or externally, and why? That is weighing into my decision on drive size. As for the rest of your comments, I'm in exactly the same boat. If you could only get a Mini with 32gb, it would probably be an instant purchase for me as well.
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Post by reddirt on Mar 8, 2022 17:21:26 GMT -6
I cant see a pro mini seeing the light of day - the studio is "it" ; why would Apple compromise Studio's sales with a pro mini?
Cheers, Ross
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Post by Quint on Mar 8, 2022 17:22:16 GMT -6
The M2 chips are supposed to actually be slower than the M1 chips, correct? ? Why would they make new chips that are slower than the previous generation? I understand why you would say that, but I swear I've seen more than one place talking about how the M2 name might be misleading and that they are actually slower chips aimed at a crowd that doesn't need high performance. Edit: medium.com/macoclock/is-waiting-for-the-m2-worth-it-c426a343286dSo it might be a bit of both. At least according to this article, the M2 might be faster than the base M1, but still slower than the M1 Pro.
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Post by Quint on Mar 8, 2022 17:24:10 GMT -6
I cant see a pro mini seeing the light of day - the studio is "it" ; why would Apple compromise Studio's sales with a pro mini? Cheers, Ross I tend to agree. Oh well, looks like the Studio is it if you want more than 16gb ram.
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Post by ml on Mar 8, 2022 17:30:07 GMT -6
I would always get as much internal storage and RAM as I could afford. The bummer is that if the mini offered 32GB it would probably come in at around $1500 and would be an immediate purchase from me, but to get 32GB and 1TB from the new Studio it's $2199. And yeah I know that the processor and GPU is also much better in the studio but it's also likely overkill for my audio needs. I agree. But would you run your samples internally or externally, and why? That is weighing into my decision on drive size. As for the rest of your comments, I'm in exactly the same boat. If you could only get a Mini with 32gb, it would probably be an instant purchase for me as well. I run my samples externally on a Sandisk 2TB SSD it’s lightning fast. I used to run my samples from a usb 3.0 thumb drive with my old Mac, it worked fine, although it would sometimes lag a little. Now I even edit video from my SSD.
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Post by brenta on Mar 8, 2022 17:30:56 GMT -6
I think the M2 will be faster than the M1 but slower than the M1 Pro/Max/Ultra.
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Post by brenta on Mar 8, 2022 17:33:38 GMT -6
Would you guys get the 1tb ssd and host the OS AND sample libraries internally on separate partitions or just get the 512gb ssd for the OS and host your sample libraries on an external ssd? Coming from PC, my past inclination would have been to host sample libraries on a secondary internal drive, but no such option with these new Macs. I'm considering getting a Mac Studio, but I would need to determine whether or not to spring for the 1tb SSD instead of the 512gb version. I suppose the same question would still apply even if I just end up getting a Mini instead. I went with 2TB internal. It wasn’t cheap but I figured I have at least $600 in external drives I’ve bought over the years anyway. If my internet was a little faster I could just record to internal and backup to the cloud and never have to use an external again. That’s the goal for me.
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Post by Quint on Mar 8, 2022 17:34:30 GMT -6
I agree. But would you run your samples internally or externally, and why? That is weighing into my decision on drive size. As for the rest of your comments, I'm in exactly the same boat. If you could only get a Mini with 32gb, it would probably be an instant purchase for me as well. I run my samples externally on a Sandisk 2TB SSD it’s lightning fast. I used to run my samples from a usb 3.0 thumb drive with my old Mac, it worked fine, although it would sometimes lag a little. Now I even edit video from my SSD. Maybe I should restate my original question. What I mean to ask is this: Regardless of what may "work" or be fast enough for some, what is ultimately the fastest means of of hosting samples? Internally or externally? This pertains to both the initial load time from drive to ram as well as any real time streaming from drive to ram that may need to happen. It may ultimately turn out that I decide this doesn't matter and either way is plenty fast for my needs, but I'd still like to know which is the fastest and why. I'm new to owning a Mac, other than a brief stint with a 2012 Mini a few years ago, so I'm still figuring all of this new M1 stuff out. It seems to be a different way of operating than what I'm used to with PCs, so I'm unsure if the rules I knew with PC still apply here, hence the questions.
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 8, 2022 19:30:52 GMT -6
I run my samples externally on a Sandisk 2TB SSD it’s lightning fast. I used to run my samples from a usb 3.0 thumb drive with my old Mac, it worked fine, although it would sometimes lag a little. Now I even edit video from my SSD. Maybe I should restate my original question. What I mean to ask is this: Regardless of what may "work" or be fast enough for some, what is ultimately the fastest means of of hosting samples? Internally or externally? This pertains to both the initial load time from drive to ram as well as any real time streaming from drive to ram that may need to happen. It may ultimately turn out that I decide this doesn't matter and either way is plenty fast for my needs, but I'd still like to know which is the fastest and why. I'm new to owning a Mac, other than a brief stint with a 2012 Mini a few years ago, so I'm still figuring all of this new M1 stuff out. It seems to be a different way of operating than what I'm used to with PCs, so I'm unsure if the rules I knew with PC still apply here, hence the questions. The fastest means will always be storing everything (both OS and samples) on the internal drive, which is a very fast NVMe-style SSD. However, that's also the costliest means, and it may be unnecessary for a variety of reasons. Superior Drummer, for instance, loads samples into RAM when you load up a kit, and then pulls from there. As a result, I actually keep my Superior Drummer samples on external drives. There are some other sample players that use a stream-from-disk method, though, and in those situations, it may be smart to store on the internal drive. I have a number of Acustica plugins, and I don't think those can even be put on an external drive, so those live on my main drive. So unfortunately, there's not a one-size-fits-all answer here. If you don't use many samples, then maybe you can fit everything you need internally, which would be awesome. If you use a ton of samples, you'll probably want to store as many of them on external drives as possible, because it's a lot cheaper. Certainly it's possible to stream from disk at a much faster rate than used to be possible due to fast SSDs and Thunderbolt connectivity if one chooses to go that route. But shoot, if there's someone who doesn't use many samples and they could fit everything they need on the internal drive and still have plenty of room left over, that would rock! Imagine the portability of that system! That ain't me, though.
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Post by reddirt on Mar 8, 2022 20:00:38 GMT -6
Base model in Aust $3099; having that amount and variety of connections (shows someone's been listening) obviates an AUD $500 dock straight up not to mention the base comes with 512 SSD / 32 gig ram.
My point is; that's a hypothetical $1100 upgrade on a $1699 512 gig mini (if you could get it with with 32 gigs of ram) and it also has 10 gig ethernet and 2 extra GPU cores so if that fits anyone's needs , it's golden if perhaps a little pricey but rarely do you regret paying for something if it's what you need and does it right.
My biggest query is fan noise (other than do i actually need it)
Cheers, Ross
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 8, 2022 20:08:59 GMT -6
As the current m1 soc have proven themselves to be powerful, efficient, not generate much heat and fan noise a non issue, other than these new chips being more powerful , why do we think , apple would drop all the other progress and now release the studio being noisy ? I understand peeps are speculating , but it seems unlikely to me that the studio will suffer from heat/ fan noise .
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Post by Blackdawg on Mar 8, 2022 21:17:11 GMT -6
I think the M2 will be faster than the M1 but slower than the M1 Pro/Max/Ultra. probably yes and no. The M2 will no doubt have a higher clock speed = Faster But won't be able to keep pace with the M1 Pro/max/ultra in multi threaded application or GPU stuff. That is until a M2 Pro/max/ultra comes out. So for audio, an m2 is a better bet as single core performance is still king. This new Studio Mac is cool. But I'm waiting on benchmarks. The Pro/Max wasn't that great of an improvement honestly and a Decent Game PC kills it. With Ryzen and Intels new CPUs they are just better choices usually. And a dedicated GPU is still way better than the pro/max option for rendering. THe ultra will be interesting to see where it lands. Plus you at least don't have to worry about compatibility issues on Windows usually. Certainly not nearly as bad as an OSX update. Im curious about it though. Our Video guys need new machines and this might be the ticket for them.
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Post by Quint on Mar 8, 2022 21:42:29 GMT -6
When the M1 MBP and M1 Minis came out, were there sales at places like Amazon/B&H/etc. right away, or did it take a while before that happened?
I'm just wondering whether or not to go ahead and get a Mac Studio now or to wait and see if sales happen in the next few weeks?
I'd like to get something pretty soon, but I don't mind waiting a few weeks if it's likely that sales will be happening soon. Otherwise, I may just go ahead and pull the trigger.
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Post by drumsound on Mar 8, 2022 23:24:18 GMT -6
AES members can buy Apple products at a discount, FYI. The issue is something is up with the portal to pay for a membership...
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Post by keymod on Mar 9, 2022 4:03:29 GMT -6
I'm still waiting to win the lottery so I can buy a new Apple Mac Pro Rackmount. I need the PCIe slots and don't want to use all sorts of outboard expansion devices. I was hoping the new Mac Studio would be a stripped-down version of a Pro, not a Mini on steroids.
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Post by donr on Mar 9, 2022 4:14:45 GMT -6
I paid almost $4k for my trashcan in 2017. Looks like the new Studio would run rings around it.
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Post by sirthought on Mar 9, 2022 4:27:36 GMT -6
I understand why you would say that, but I swear I've seen more than one place talking about how the M2 name might be misleading and that they are actually slower chips aimed at a crowd that doesn't need high performance. Edit: medium.com/macoclock/is-waiting-for-the-m2-worth-it-c426a343286dSo it might be a bit of both. At least according to this article, the M2 might be faster than the base M1, but still slower than the M1 Pro. The Pro and Max aren't the same as just the M1. The M2 chips will follow suite. The Studio IS the Mini Pro people were anticipating. But I bet we will see a M1 Pro option in the Mini eventually. Still, if the M2 chip is increasing the core count from 8 to 10, that will be a sweet audio machine. Just will it have multi-display support and some other quirks that the Mini seemed to bypass.
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Post by sirthought on Mar 9, 2022 4:38:10 GMT -6
The pricing STILL offers a good value following recent options.
In the last release cycle, I bought my 16" MBP with with an M1 Pro, 16 GB memory, and 1 TB drive.
I can get a Studio with an M1 Max, 32 GB memory and 1 TB drive for $400 LESS than the MBP...money that could buy a very nice desktop display if needed. More I/O options as well.
Or spend the $400 and get a 2 TB drive. So for the same price as my MBP I'd be getting basically double of everything.
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Post by aremos on Mar 9, 2022 5:42:40 GMT -6
Where does this fall in now?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2022 6:28:12 GMT -6
The pricing STILL offers a good value following recent options. In the last release cycle, I bought my 16" MBP with with an M1 Pro, 16 GB memory, and 1 TB drive. I can get a Studio with an M1 Max, 32 GB memory and 1 TB drive for $400 LESS than the MBP...money that could buy a very nice desktop display if needed. More I/O options as well. Or spend the $400 and get a 2 TB drive. So for the same price as my MBP I'd be getting basically double of everything. People act like a good i9-12900 build with 128 gb ram is going to be much cheaper. The only thing Apple is charging a ton for is the SSD, the lack of single core performance, and everything is probably soldered in. A Windows desktop with a couple of M2s clearly wins the storage battle. If you must have a Mac for itb work where everything has not been frontloaded with hardware, this is the one to get. The m1 mini just can’t handle 88.2/96 khz (necessary to anti-alias automation) sessions loaded with modern plugs unless you’re freezing a lot of things. If you’re hitting like 80-90 % cpu, something is going to make it freeze up/stutter/grind to halt.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 9, 2022 6:48:38 GMT -6
I run an m1 mini at 88 and 96, not experiencing any problems: what problem am I supposed to experience?
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