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Post by hadaja on Feb 27, 2022 19:05:18 GMT -6
I feel like the Chandler guy must just really like bright. That TG mic was so pushed in the upper mids. Some people like it but I found it just bizarre. Every shootout I’ve heard with the REDD suggests it’s also really bright. A nice, interesting mic for sure, but very bright. I too was quite excited when i got my chandler TG mic. I had high hopes for it. I really liked the idea of different combos of sound coming from it. But the fundamental tone of the mic was bright. Just too bright for my liking. Iwas quite sadden and tried a few preamps with it. And alas it went to a new home where the owner absolutely loves it. So its always a unique proposition to see how mics will work for you in your environment. A while ago I bought a Stam sa800 mic and man that thing was also bright but not in a good way for me. But it was made very well and looked quite nice, quite a decent package at the time. I am trying a Barabaric BA800 mic that should arrive any day. And hopefully that will be a keeper.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Feb 27, 2022 19:07:57 GMT -6
Anyone have some experience with the Manley Reference and how that sizes up on vocals?
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Post by crillemannen on Feb 27, 2022 19:31:00 GMT -6
Anyone have some experience with the Manley Reference and how that sizes up on vocals? I've demo'ed it on my channel. You can download the raw files too. Pretty severe capsule ring, distorted mids and pretty harsh. I just got the feeling time had caught up with the RefC. There are allot of better option in that price range
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Feb 27, 2022 19:38:15 GMT -6
Anyone have some experience with the Manley Reference and how that sizes up on vocals? I've demo'ed it on my channel. You can download the raw files too. Pretty severe capsule ring, distorted mids and pretty harsh. I just got the feeling time had caught up with the RefC. There are allot of better option in that price range Nice performance, man and thanks for posting that up.
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Post by tkaitkai on Feb 27, 2022 20:36:11 GMT -6
Anyone have some experience with the Manley Reference and how that sizes up on vocals? I owned one for a year or two. It’s a solid, well-built piece of kit that looks awesome and has a unique, “pretty” tone, definitely tailored for vocals. It has an airy/whispery top end you either love or hate. A lot of people buy one hoping for a cheaper C800G, which it is certainly not. Bright/modern, yes, but it has its own thing going on. I really wanted to like it on my voice, but it just never sounded quite right. It was one of several mics that made me realize K67s just aren’t my thing. Great for most people, though. FWIW, I also tried it on acoustic guitar and never really gelled with it there, either. It definitely commands a great room, too. Others may feel differently, but I found it to be much more sensitive to the room than either my M149 or Upton 251.
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Post by bossanova on Feb 27, 2022 23:35:00 GMT -6
Anyone have some experience with the Manley Reference and how that sizes up on vocals? I've demo'ed it on my channel. You can download the raw files too. Pretty severe capsule ring, distorted mids and pretty harsh. I just got the feeling time had caught up with the RefC. There are allot of better option in that price range Hey, I had no idea you were on here. Your videos are great!
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Post by recordingengineer on Feb 28, 2022 0:13:56 GMT -6
A while ago I bought a Stam sa800 mic and man that thing was also bright but not in a good way for me. But it was made very well and looked quite nice, quite a decent package at the time. I am trying a Barabaric BA800 mic that should arrive any day. And hopefully that will be a keeper. Please let us know how that pans out for you. Which setup did you get? I think he might be doing a full-blown version and more of a budget-minded one? Maybe?
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Post by chessparov on Feb 28, 2022 2:33:42 GMT -6
Anyone have some experience with the Manley Reference and how that sizes up on vocals? I've demo'ed it on my channel. You can download the raw files too. Pretty severe capsule ring, distorted mids and pretty harsh. I just got the feeling time had caught up with the RefC. There are allot of better option in that price range The Silver is a great mic. Chris
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Post by crillemannen on Feb 28, 2022 5:46:35 GMT -6
I've demo'ed it on my channel. You can download the raw files too. Pretty severe capsule ring, distorted mids and pretty harsh. I just got the feeling time had caught up with the RefC. There are allot of better option in that price range The Silver is a great mic. Chris I'd love to try the Silver and Gold. I reached out to Manley but they weren't interested 🙈 Or they said that they're not doing any social media marketing
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Post by Ward on Feb 28, 2022 6:39:16 GMT -6
The Silver is a great mic. Chris I'd love to try the Silver and Gold. I reached out to Manley but they weren't interested 🙈 Or they said that they're not doing any social media marketing Not the first disappointment Eva Manley and co have given a member of this forum.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2022 7:27:09 GMT -6
The Chandler to me was like a more transparent and better balanced Neumann. You're making it sound like a TLM170R .. Neumann from what I've heard was always quite obsessed with balance, transparency etc. hence the U89, 170, 193 etc. and the dismay of many classic mic fans until recently. I personally believe the TLM170 is one of the best mic's Neumann make if you can get past the utterly bland first impressions. It's a shapers mic made to suit everything and do it well. As I already have two U89's I certainly don't need another one.. Anywho, I'll add the Chandler to the list but I do have my reservations about it. From what I've heard it's a good mic for specific sources like the rest, not a game changer and it'll either work or it won't. Due to the price, limited warranty, localisation options (service / repair) etc. it's not the highest on the list. That being said you never really know what you'll gel with so I'll see if I can get my hands on one, if not it's no great loss.
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Post by sean on Feb 28, 2022 9:20:02 GMT -6
The Reference Gold is a nice sounding microphone if you can jive with the look. Bright and modern but not overly sibilant. Like a C800G it cuts through a dense mix…very “euphoric” top end.
The Silver uses a Josephson capsule as well, one they designed, I believe, originally for Aspen Pittman for the Groove Tube MD3, which is based on the C37. I’m sure they’ve made some changes to it over 25 years, but my MD3 is eerily close to the way my Klaus tuned U67 sounds. They nearly null in fact, just a touch more top end on the U67.
If you can find a MD3 at a decent price you might enjoy it and save some money.
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Post by Ward on Feb 28, 2022 10:09:27 GMT -6
The Chandler to me was like a more transparent and better balanced Neumann. You're making it sound like a TLM170R .. Neumann from what I've heard was always quite obsessed with balance, transparency etc. hence the U89, 170, 193 etc. and the dismay of many classic mic fans until recently. I personally believe the TLM170 is one of the best mic's Neumann make if you can get past the utterly bland first impressions. It's a shapers mic made to suit everything and do it well. As I already have two U89's I certainly don't need another one.. Anywho, I'll add the Chandler to the list but I do have my reservations about it. From what I've heard it's a good mic for specific sources like the rest, not a game changer and it'll either work or it won't. Due to the price, limited warranty, localisation options (service / repair) etc. it's not the highest on the list. That being said you never really know what you'll gel with so I'll see if I can get my hands on one, if not it's no great loss. Sure, good points . . . but it's also the Neumann that always skipped 'Leg Day'.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 8:07:50 GMT -6
Sure, good points . . . but it's also the Neumann that always skipped 'Leg Day'. Agreed and I'm not much of a tweak head either, I'd prefer the mic just to work without too much intervention. I know I generally sound a bit dismissive and I apologise for that but the problem with a flagship is it's a fancy not a necessity and when you get to a certain budget it opens the floodgates. There are so many options out there that I'm having to nitpick and dismiss on sometimes the daftest of things. Edit: On a side note I was listening to clips of the Redd and the first three I came across was Vincent, Crille and Martin.. LOL, you people are awesome ..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 9:21:43 GMT -6
I've demo'ed it on my channel. You can download the raw files too. Pretty severe capsule ring, distorted mids and pretty harsh. I just got the feeling time had caught up with the RefC. There are allot of better option in that price range So, again thanks for all the vids. Your voice frequency range isn't all that dissimilar to mine so I spent the morning watching your handy reviews, I gotta say I preferred the WA-8000 on your voice over the Upton 251, Bock 251, GAP 251 and Redd. Quite surprised really, I've not had chance to do any recording yet as I'm still wiring up the new studio but hmmm I'll be keeping that WA mic for sure.. It's only because of the ISK / Tele (which I can't remember much about) that I'm looking at 251's, I'll still rent the Tele but I keep sort of making the same mistake here. I mentioned years back that any decent mic with a K67 style capsule and my ears just light up. I love the M269C, C800, U67 etc. and on a second round of listening after years of not bothering the same has happened again. It appears I just gravitate towards those sorta mic's.. Thanks for the reminder.
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Post by crillemannen on Mar 1, 2022 10:53:08 GMT -6
I've demo'ed it on my channel. You can download the raw files too. Pretty severe capsule ring, distorted mids and pretty harsh. I just got the feeling time had caught up with the RefC. There are allot of better option in that price range So, again thanks for all the vids. Your voice frequency range isn't all that dissimilar to mine so I spent the morning watching your handy reviews, I gotta say I preferred the WA-8000 on your voice over the Upton 251, Bock 251, GAP 251 and Redd. Quite surprised really, I've not had chance to do any recording yet as I'm still wiring up the new studio but hmmm I'll be keeping that WA mic for sure.. It's only because of the ISK / Tele (which I can't remember much about) that I'm looking at 251's, I'll still rent the Tele but I keep sort of making the same mistake here. I mentioned years back that any decent mic with a K67 style capsule and my ears just light up. I love the M269C, C800, U67 etc. and on a second round of listening after years of not bothering the same has happened again. It appears I just gravitate towards those sorta mic's.. Thanks for the reminder. Cool! I've heard quite a few saying I sounds the best on the Sony type mics haha. I'd rather use the GAP8000 if I could chose though. It was still smooth in a very nice way. No shame on the WA except the horrible shockmount. But the WA felt even more like a one trick pony. I actually found a Sony original for my brother two years back for a great price. Maybe I should try find one for myself 😁
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2022 13:21:47 GMT -6
Cool! I've heard quite a few saying I sounds the best on the Sony type mics haha. I'd rather use the GAP8000 if I could chose though. It was still smooth in a very nice way. No shame on the WA except the horrible shockmount. But the WA felt even more like a one trick pony. I actually found a Sony original for my brother two years back for a great price. Maybe I should try find one for myself 😁 You can easily notch out the top end crunchiness with a 2A, Neve pre / EQ. I've used C800's on occasion and they're also one trick pony's but IF they work, damn you can't beat 'em. There doesn't seem to be much in the middle for those types of mic's, people either love or hate them.
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Post by ericn on Mar 1, 2022 13:40:13 GMT -6
I could tell performing on the REDD (through cans), reminds me of being in front of a live audience. FWIW I ALWAYS sing better live, than being recorded. Backed up by the local Club live sound engineers, who recorded me "through the board"/their unsolicited comments. So not "Just my imagination-running away with me". It's that combo of excitement/fear and pure adrenaline-and dancing onstage if warranted! (Anyway for me) Chris P.S. Whereas getting recorded, some of George Martin's "Ketchup" (Lennon)-including Reverb... Is a vulnerability of mine. Had a couple of other people who were the same way, the solution was to fill the control room with friends and stick to complete takes. If needed a stage monitor and an audience mic added to the cue mix.
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Post by chessparov on Mar 1, 2022 16:15:55 GMT -6
And keep me AWAY from the reverb! (I've been permitted to joke between takes however) Chris
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Post by chessparov on Mar 1, 2022 16:18:03 GMT -6
I could tell performing on the REDD (through cans), reminds me of being in front of a live audience. FWIW I ALWAYS sing better live, than being recorded. Backed up by the local Club live sound engineers, who recorded me "through the board"/their unsolicited comments. So not "Just my imagination-running away with me". It's that combo of excitement/fear and pure adrenaline-and dancing onstage if warranted! (Anyway for me) Chris P.S. Whereas getting recorded, some of George Martin's "Ketchup" (Lennon)-including Reverb... Is a vulnerability of mine. If needed a stage monitor and an audience mic added to the cue mix. Complete with clapping, "Bravos" and a standing ovation. Chris
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Post by chessparov on Mar 1, 2022 16:18:33 GMT -6
I could tell performing on the REDD (through cans), reminds me of being in front of a live audience. FWIW I ALWAYS sing better live, than being recorded. Backed up by the local Club live sound engineers, who recorded me "through the board"/their unsolicited comments. So not "Just my imagination-running away with me". It's that combo of excitement/fear and pure adrenaline-and dancing onstage if warranted! (Anyway for me) Chris P.S. Whereas getting recorded, some of George Martin's "Ketchup" (Lennon)-including Reverb... Is a vulnerability of mine. If needed a stage monitor and an audience mic added to the cue mix. Complete with clapping, "Bravos" and a standing ovation. Chris
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