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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2022 6:06:02 GMT -6
I had an Ampex with a 57 in front of it for years doing nothing (seen as everyone tends to use VST's), now for my own pet project I bought an Orange Crush Bass 50 and wouldn't mind pairing it with a decent mic. I have an MD441 but that'll either live on snare or guitar, I suppose I could buy another one but I'm sure there's other options out there.
In this example I like the Lauten Audio Clarion, has some major beef..
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Post by gwlee7 on Jan 21, 2022 6:22:43 GMT -6
How did the sE Voodoo sound? I have a couple of them and they are sleeper ribbons that a lot people don’t know about. Great bang for the buck on a lot of sources.
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Post by bricejchandler on Jan 21, 2022 6:34:38 GMT -6
For dynamics I personally use the M88 for bass amps the most. It has nice lows, a really thick midrange that helps note definition in the mix and a rather rolled off high end that gets rid of all the high end click and clatter on some basses. Sometimes an SM7, and very rarely an RE20, M380.
My go to condenser is FET47 which is my default kick and bass mic but that's pretty pricey.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2022 6:58:51 GMT -6
gwlee7 It has the bass thing down but in that example at least there was nowhere near enough attack or definition, I'm going for a pop rock sorta sound. bricejchandler unfortunately I sold a 47FET last year.. I like the Beyer, although there are plenty of options here. A part of me wouldn't mind unifying this a bit, I've been after a Soundelux U-99 for a long time and I could relegate one of my other mic's to bass duty. Or there's the United UT FET 47 with a Heiserman capsule..
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Post by drastic on Jan 21, 2022 7:23:43 GMT -6
For dynamics I personally use the M88 for bass amps the most. It has nice lows, a really thick midrange that helps note definition in the mix and a rather rolled off high end that gets rid of all the high end click and clatter on some basses. Sometimes an SM7, and very rarely an RE20, M380. My go to condenser is FET47 which is my default kick and bass mic but that's pretty pricey. Agreed, been a fan of the m88 on bass both live and in the studio for a long time 👍
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Post by EmRR on Jan 21, 2022 7:34:28 GMT -6
Glyn Johns uses a 414 and I do to. He’s been copying me all this time. If I use a second mic it’s usually an EV 666.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2022 7:57:57 GMT -6
RE16, RE20, Beta 52
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Post by spindrift on Jan 21, 2022 8:35:54 GMT -6
Glyn Johns uses a 414 and I do to. He’s been copying me all this time. If I use a second mic it’s usually an EV 666. Which version of the 414?
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Post by svart on Jan 21, 2022 8:58:02 GMT -6
This really depends on the music and the rig being recorded. I went looking for the bass rig that a band used to record that another band had suggested to me as sound they wanted.
Surprisingly I found it and it was just a 421. The rig was a SVT and 810 cab. It wasn't a very deep sound but it really sounded full in the mix.
I find that "bass" doesn't really mean a lot of super low frequencies. You can't capture the low frequency wavefronts from a big speaker with a small diaphragm, so you're just capturing fractional frequencies and harmonics which means that mid-low frequency distortion is most important to capture.
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Post by EmRR on Jan 21, 2022 9:03:52 GMT -6
Glyn Johns uses a 414 and I do to. He’s been copying me all this time. If I use a second mic it’s usually an EV 666. Which version of the 414? He says 'any', I believe. Doesn't care. I have a ULS.
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Post by EmRR on Jan 21, 2022 9:06:52 GMT -6
I find that "bass" doesn't really mean a lot of super low frequencies. Yep. My main studio cab is a Sunn 6 x 10" with a V4 head - poor bastard child SVT. There ain't no 'bass' coming out of that. I also rarely use a DI. I have a Bag End that does make real bass, but it's rarely used, only if the bass is thin sounding. I remember a client repeatedly saying 'more bass' once, and that was the opposite of what they wanted, which was 200Hz.
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Post by phdamage on Jan 21, 2022 9:11:53 GMT -6
I have an early/Latvian BLUE Mouse (transformer version - I think the serial is like 0049) that lives on my 8x10. It sounds perfect for rock bass. Beats my Lawson 47FET (though it is close), m380 and literally anything else I've ever used.
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Post by svart on Jan 21, 2022 9:16:48 GMT -6
I find that "bass" doesn't really mean a lot of super low frequencies. Yep. My main studio cab is a Sunn 6 x 10" with a V4 head - poor bastard child SVT. There ain't no 'bass' coming out of that. I also rarely use a DI. I have a Bag End that does make real bass, but it's rarely used, only if the bass is thin sounding. I remember a client repeatedly saying 'more bass' once, and that was the opposite of what they wanted, which was 200Hz. Interesting. Aren't those old Sunn 6x10 actually guitar cabs? I didn't think Sunn made a bass-specific cab that wasn't a 15" or 18"? I built a 2x10 with eminence speakers, SVT crossover and tweeter that I use for a lot of generic bass and I tend to use the U47 with it since it's not going to blow your hair back with loudness. It's still frequently too much ultra low end and has to be rolled off.
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Post by EmRR on Jan 21, 2022 9:28:38 GMT -6
Yep. My main studio cab is a Sunn 6 x 10" with a V4 head - poor bastard child SVT. There ain't no 'bass' coming out of that. I also rarely use a DI. I have a Bag End that does make real bass, but it's rarely used, only if the bass is thin sounding. Interesting. Aren't those old Sunn 6x10 actually guitar cabs? I didn't think Sunn made a bass-specific cab that wasn't a 15" or 18"? It is the same V shape mounting as the 2x10 or 2x12 guitar combo. No idea. It makes as much bass as something like a '70's Fender Bassman cab, which I recall is a pair of 15". Both shallow boxes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2022 9:31:32 GMT -6
This really depends on the music and the rig being recorded. I went looking for the bass rig that a band used to record that another band had suggested to me as sound they wanted. Surprisingly I found it and it was just a 421. The rig was a SVT and 810 cab. It wasn't a very deep sound but it really sounded full in the mix. I find that "bass" doesn't really mean a lot of super low frequencies. You can't capture the low frequency wavefronts from a big speaker with a small diaphragm, so you're just capturing fractional frequencies and harmonics which means that mid-low frequency distortion is most important to capture. Mainly pop / rock and alt music so anything with articulation will do the job. I didn't mind the 421 and a 414 is defo an option.. EmRR, potentially another copy cat?
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Post by svart on Jan 21, 2022 9:33:08 GMT -6
Interesting. Aren't those old Sunn 6x10 actually guitar cabs? I didn't think Sunn made a bass-specific cab that wasn't a 15" or 18"? It is the same V shape mounting as the 2x10 or 2x12 guitar combo. No idea. It makes as much bass as something like a '70's Fender Bassman cab, which I recall is a pair of 15". Both shallow boxes. I have a set of rehoused bassman 15" speakers (the original box got soggy after a leak and had to be tossed). They certainly don't make a lot of ultra low bass. They're much too stiff and don't have much excursion. They do have an interesting inherent fuzziness about them. Even clean tones sound slightly hairy through them.
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Post by dok on Jan 21, 2022 11:38:19 GMT -6
If you haven't tried an RE20... you should try an RE20. I kind of can't believe there isn't one in that shootout.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2022 11:49:23 GMT -6
In regards to the RE-20 what happened to the Heil PR-40? It's supposed to be similar with an extended response but nobody ever seems to mention them.
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Post by svart on Jan 21, 2022 13:48:52 GMT -6
In regards to the RE-20 what happened to the Heil PR-40? It's supposed to be similar with an extended response but nobody ever seems to mention them. I have a Heil PR35 which is the handheld LDD. I never have tried it on bass cab though. I might next time I do real bass tracking.
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Post by phdamage on Jan 21, 2022 15:23:05 GMT -6
I have a PR40 but it doesn’t see much use. It is really cool if you want a chesty kick drum - the only reason I keep it around. Prob wouldn’t crack my top 10 for bass cabs.
Also, I usually prefer a pair of 15Ls to an 8x10 but I’ve blown up an awful lot of them
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Post by jmoose on Jan 21, 2022 15:33:21 GMT -6
Glyn Johns uses a 414 and I do to. He’s been copying me all this time. If I use a second mic it’s usually an EV 666. Yes! 414. You go with fig 8? Depends on the band & what's happening... like a Duck Dunn player vs a guy who's got a buncha fuzz & FX but often a U87 winds up in front of the cab if there's a real one kicking around. The 414 is great too. I've used everything at some point. Nothing wrong with a 421 or RE20... sometimes the midrange grind of a 57 is excellent. One of the few places I'll actually use a 57 by choice. Beta 52 isn't too shabby either. Some of the coolest stuff has been small diaphragm condensers. AKG C460, Earthworks... Oktava, Jospehson C42, AT40 series etc. Depending on the player & rig sometimes I skip the DI entirely and go with two different mics. Sometimes dynamic & condenser like a 421 and Blue baby bottle.
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Post by sirthought on Jan 21, 2022 23:03:05 GMT -6
I've used several dynamics. Senn 421 EV RE-320 EV RE-11 Most recently DrAlienSmith Alien8
Only condenser I've tried is a 319. All of these worked for me.
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Post by schmalzy on Jan 21, 2022 23:44:33 GMT -6
I use a PR40 on bass cabs and kick drums (and snare bottoms and sometimes as an additional mic on a guitar cab). I dig it!
It can sometimes be really present in the upper mids in an aggressive way...which is sometimes perfect for kicks or bass and has a decent-but-not-crazy top end that's really nice for a ratty snare bottom. It also represents the lows well without creeping into the sub area too much. Often on rock music the kick drum is driving the sub lows so the bass guitar being kept just above that by a mic's frequency response is a pretty nice thing that gets us closer to the goal faster.
I've also used an SM7b on a bass cab and loved it. I haven't stuck my M88 there yet but I definitely will after reading this thread. My AT 4040 did a great job there not too long ago, too
I also always take a DI so I can "overcommit" to a sound on the bass amp and have a backup plan.
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Post by robschnapf on Jan 23, 2022 10:41:09 GMT -6
Roswell Colares is really nice As is the Bock 195
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Post by drumsound on Jan 23, 2022 11:02:57 GMT -6
Most recently I used an M88 or TGX50. I've done a lot of things over the years, but oddly I seem to gravitate to DI, even when I record both, the DID is the main sound and the mic is the secondary 'flavor enhancer.'
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