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Post by EmRR on Jan 27, 2022 13:41:46 GMT -6
Is that what you tell the kid when you take away their 64 pack of crayons and replace it with an 8? Hahahahaa
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Post by robschnapf on Jan 27, 2022 14:09:38 GMT -6
I’ll say it again as I’ve done the work. If you going for the Fet47 vibe, the Bock 195 is bigger And the Roswell Coloaras sounds awesome as well. Heiserman 47FET. Never tried one. but if it’s a honest recreation of a Neumann Fet47 then I’d expect the same results.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2022 14:36:40 GMT -6
EmRR LOL I get your point but there's just tons of stuff I'll just never use and then what good is it? Need to zen my space for health and safety reasons if nothing else. When I say limiting it's not exactly a normal definition of "limiting" like one amp, one mic, one interface sorta thing. I still have 16U's worth of rack equipment, 2 10 slot racks of 500 series, 20 something mic's, 8 guitars, several other instruments, 4 amps, 2 pairs of monitors, a mixer and I'll be adding some more. 90% of that is "high end" as well.. Once I'd sold all the hoarded crap to mediocre stuff it paid for over half of the high end equipment. I still think I'm slightly mad having a studio that large for one person and need to tone it down (seriously), not err tone it up?! I ain't running a commercial facility here.
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Post by EmRR on Jan 27, 2022 14:54:17 GMT -6
EmRR LOL I get your point but there's just tons of stuff I'll just never use and then what good is it? . For sure, and a totally different question if it’s just you versus a studio that just does one kind of thing versus one that might encounter a ton of different things. I’m somewhere between the latter two. There’s been a cycle of things sitting unused for years then suddenly coming back into heavy use. If it were a major city I could probably rent at a moment’s notice, but I have to be ready to deal with the unexpected. It’d be nice to sell a bunch of stuff….
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Post by Ward on Jan 27, 2022 15:02:00 GMT -6
I dunno... by simply improving what I have while almost never letting anything go I've accumulated a pretty good (and fairly large) collection. Just sounds like hoarding to me. Hey, my 114 mics and I resemble that remark!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2022 15:06:48 GMT -6
Just sounds like hoarding to me. Hey, my 114 mics and I resemble that remark! Testing, testing 114 times.. Hmm, I'm not sure let's start again.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 27, 2022 16:09:10 GMT -6
The Shadow Knows...
I was just looking at some old comic books in Greensboro, I wonder if that character is in some of them.
My top 3 bass amp mics:
1) M88TG.... I thought of it first, everyone else is copying me. 2) my DIY ELAM 251 clone sounds incredible on bass, or you could use the C12 style. This is fancier than a 414 and also Paul McCartney endorsed. 3) RE20, very punk rock, super crisp and articulate sounding, Radiohead approved.
In reality I'm a DI guy 95% of the time. I have speciality DI's, I build them also and sell them. But an amp moving air seems to take up more space in the mix and present the bass more like "another guitar" or something like that, more of a live sound.
Nothing wrong with any of it. And yes we are big kids with too many crayons.
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Post by yotonic on Jan 27, 2022 16:21:34 GMT -6
I often end up with the DI doing a lot of the work (the best bassists I've recorded usually just went with an API DI) but when amp tone is key I find it's very dependent - 57/421 for growl, sometimes a condenser but never been near a FET47 unfortunately. One of the best amp tones I ever got was a B15 mic'd with an RE20. This is my GO-2. With a Wunder PEQ for DI.
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Post by christophert on Jan 27, 2022 17:35:11 GMT -6
Since the 90's - a Beyer TGX50 has beaten out everything in 98% of the sessions for me, a 47Fet on the other 2%
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Post by Quint on Jan 27, 2022 17:55:33 GMT -6
RE20, very punk rock, super crisp and articulate sounding, Radiohead approved. In reality I'm a DI guy 95% of the time. An RE20 and a couple of DI options are all you need, in my opinion. I think of the RE20 as kind of a do it all mic for any bass amp. Throw in some DI and mix between them. Done.
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Post by brenta on Jan 27, 2022 18:23:01 GMT -6
The AKG D12e is probably my favorite, but those are expensive and hard to come by. The Audix D6 can be killer in some situations.
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Post by dok on Jan 27, 2022 20:13:39 GMT -6
I often end up with the DI doing a lot of the work (the best bassists I've recorded usually just went with an API DI) but when amp tone is key I find it's very dependent - 57/421 for growl, sometimes a condenser but never been near a FET47 unfortunately. One of the best amp tones I ever got was a B15 mic'd with an RE20. This is my GO-2. Me too. P-Bass > Ampeg > RE20 > API A2D. Everything you need and nothing you don't. I have an Aphex 651 on the way to see if that'll take it into the stratosphere.
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Post by recordingengineer on Jan 27, 2022 20:16:38 GMT -6
Send the 651 to Jim Williams.
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Post by bricejchandler on Jan 28, 2022 2:08:45 GMT -6
The AKG D12e is probably my favorite, but those are expensive and hard to come by. The Audix D6 can be killer in some situations. I think we're really starting to see the end of D12s. I've bought and sold quite a few and it used to be that about a third were duds, now the figures are easily reversed. It's really too bad because they really do something extra special. For my taste, I find them unbeatable on kick ( except a d20 or D25), bass I've found other mics that I like just as much. Anyway there are quite a few people that repair them now ( at least in Europe) and they come out sounding pretty good, now if they sound identical to a brand new one is anyone's guess.
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Post by Ward on Jan 28, 2022 5:41:23 GMT -6
I've still got a mint D12e. $7500 to whoever wants it. I think I'll get a Beyer 88, like Guitar suggests!
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Post by bricejchandler on Jan 28, 2022 6:13:39 GMT -6
I've still got a mint D12e. $7500 to whoever wants it. I think I'll get a Beyer 88, like Guitar suggests! hahaha waddadeal!! Yeah If you don't have one it's a great addition. Like I mentioned earlier it's one of my go to dynamics for bass, particularly when I want the mids of the bass to cut through, it doesn't have a ton of sub or high frequency detail but it's a nice sound. It also works on guitar amps, sometimes with an SM57, sometimes all by it self. I also use it sometimes for kick, when I want to have present kick, but not have it super clicky like around 5k like say a beta 52, have the "bite" a little lower in the frequency range. I'm working on an album currently where I used it on inside kick and bass, though on bass I ended up using just the FET47. Here it is on bass amp: www.dropbox.com/s/cnfen1ilkj3tvqv/M88%20BASS.mp3?dl=0And here it is on inside kick ( a Yamaha maple custom 22) www.dropbox.com/s/tifk0x98mx6iqas/M88%20SOLO.mp3?dl=0In context with the drums: www.dropbox.com/s/q6y9ny1lrsrs642/FULL%20DRUMS.mp3?dl=0100% Raw drums, no comp or eq at tracking so it should give you an idea of how it sounds on kick.
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Post by EmRR on Jan 28, 2022 8:01:36 GMT -6
Next time I’m around a D12 I’ll try to put a 666 beside it for comparison. The description is so similar, yet I know they are different.
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Post by tripalot on Jan 28, 2022 9:36:56 GMT -6
I've still got a mint D12e. $7500 to whoever wants it. I think I'll get a Beyer 88, like Guitar suggests! hahaha waddadeal!! Yeah If you don't have one it's a great addition. Like I mentioned earlier it's one of my go to dynamics for bass, particularly when I want the mids of the bass to cut through, it doesn't have a ton of sub or high frequency detail but it's a nice sound. It also works on guitar amps, sometimes with an SM57, sometimes all by it self. I also use it sometimes for kick, when I want to have present kick, but not have it super clicky like around 5k like say a beta 52, have the "bite" a little lower in the frequency range. I'm working on an album currently where I used it on inside kick and bass, though on bass I ended up using just the FET47. Here it is on bass amp: www.dropbox.com/s/cnfen1ilkj3tvqv/M88%20BASS.mp3?dl=0And here it is on inside kick ( a Yamaha maple custom 22) www.dropbox.com/s/tifk0x98mx6iqas/M88%20SOLO.mp3?dl=0In context with the drums: www.dropbox.com/s/q6y9ny1lrsrs642/FULL%20DRUMS.mp3?dl=0100% Raw drums, no comp or eq at tracking so it should give you an idea of how it sounds on kick. Thank you for the audio samples Brice
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 28, 2022 9:49:40 GMT -6
I've still got a mint D12e. $7500 to whoever wants it. I think I'll get a Beyer 88, like Guitar suggests! I've got a great sounding vintage m88... I'd be willing to part with it for just $4,300. Priced to move!
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Post by recordingengineer on Jan 28, 2022 11:01:28 GMT -6
I had an M88 for 15-years until I sold it with a bunch of gear in bulk. I miss it. It was an older one with a rolled-off top and super-tight gut-punch for days. It was a go-to for inside kick for any 70’s direction sound of any genre. Had access to a few TG models for a while and while good in their own modern right, they were nothing like mine. Which is the preferred M88 on bass?
I’ve always wanted a 666, but hard to come-by these days. Any modern equivalent?
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Post by bricejchandler on Jan 28, 2022 11:26:30 GMT -6
I had an M88 for 15-years until I sold it with a bunch of gear in bulk. I miss it. It was an older one with a rolled-off top and super-tight gut-punch for days. It was a go-to for inside kick for any 70’s direction sound of any genre. Had access to a few TG models for a while and while good in their own modern right, they were nothing like mine. Which is the preferred M88 on bass? I’ve always wanted a 666, but hard to come-by these days. Any modern equivalent? I've used both side by side. In my experience the 88n is a tiny bit clearer. The midpush isn't quite as agressive. The housing is pretty different so it's impossible they are going to sound identical, also different magnet and transformer. For kick drum or bass, I wouldn't sweat it, the TG sounds fine. For acoustic guitar or vocals, I'd pick the N for, it just sounds a bit more elegant. The N is more sensitive to pops.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 28, 2022 11:33:07 GMT -6
I had an M88 for 15-years until I sold it with a bunch of gear in bulk. I miss it. It was an older one with a rolled-off top and super-tight gut-punch for days. It was a go-to for inside kick for any 70’s direction sound of any genre. Had access to a few TG models for a while and while good in their own modern right, they were nothing like mine. Which is the preferred M88 on bass? I’ve always wanted a 666, but hard to come-by these days. Any modern equivalent? I've used both side by side. In my experience the 88n is a tiny bit clearer. The midpush isn't quite as agressive. The housing is pretty different so it's impossible they are going to sound identical, also different magnet and transformer. For kick drum or bass, I wouldn't sweat it, the TG sounds fine. For acoustic guitar or vocals, I'd pick the N for, it just sounds a bit more elegant. The N is more sensitive to pops. I've never had a TG, but my N is definitely sensitive to plosives. +1
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Post by dinoziogas on Jan 30, 2022 8:10:59 GMT -6
My top 3 bass amp mics: 1) M88TG.... I thought of it first, everyone else is copying me. 2) my DIY ELAM 251 clone sounds incredible on bass, or you could use the C12 style. This is fancier than a 414 and also Paul McCartney endorsed. 3) RE20, very punk rock, super crisp and articulate sounding, Radiohead approved. The M88TG, haha I was actually recommending this as far as 15years ago on the SOS forum and while I was a mod on the RID forum. I didn't know you then so hehe The ELAM I never owned but similar flavour to the C12 are workable and a nice angle to bass cab recording. The RE20 another safe choice. I get ywhat you say about the mic'ed bass moving air sounds a bit livelier and I usually like it that way. Again I am one who prefers complementary EQ on the bass rather than heavy compression but it's a matter of taste. You can always use a DI'ed track alongside the mic'ed one, nudge a few ms till the unavoidable phasing issues land to a nice place and as a bonus you get a bass track that can't be killed in low volumes.
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Post by Ward on Feb 1, 2022 12:28:23 GMT -6
I've still got a mint D12e. $7500 to whoever wants it. I think I'll get a Beyer 88, like Guitar suggests! I've got a great sounding vintage m88... I'd be willing to part with it for just $4,300. Priced to move! Your 88 and $2200 and we have a deal!
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Post by dmp on Feb 1, 2022 13:12:21 GMT -6
Next time I’m around a D12 I’ll try to put a 666 beside it for comparison. The description is so similar, yet I know they are different. My ev666 does not have the same kind of low end. Wonder if it is not healthy? How similar is the low end of the 666 to a re20?
Both my re20 & pl20 have a lot more low end than my 666. I think the 666 freq chart shows a few dB lower than the re20 at ~80Hz (maybe 6dB?)
I have a D25 that is my favorite bass mic (mostly used on kick drum though). I used to have a D12e that I would use on bass guitar which also sounded good but that whole AKG line varies mic to mic I think. And some lose the low end regularly and you have to realign the diaphragm, which happened a couple times with the D12e. Frankly they are a pain and if the D25 didn't sound so amazing I wouldn't keep it because I dread the day when the low end won't come back. I had a D20 that I could not get re-aligned to bring back the bass (gap / coil fouled or otherwise messed up)
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