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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 29, 2021 12:27:41 GMT -6
I'm completely done with the mother****ers. Last time I checked, this was $99/year. I get an auto-renewal notice that they've charged me $326 ($299) for what basically breaks down to extortion. I'm being charged for critical updates for the product that paid for. On top of that, they're offering it for a $100 discount for new buyers. Complete bullshit. AND on top of that - it crashes on the OS that I'm forced to be on because of a new computer purchase...that I could understand, but it was crashing well before that for the last 10 years. I'm done with them.
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Post by sean on Nov 29, 2021 12:38:26 GMT -6
I think you can just buy another subscription and let the other expire and get the discounted price. That’s what I did
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Post by drbill on Nov 29, 2021 12:42:41 GMT -6
I think you can just buy another subscription and let the other expire and get the discounted price. That’s what I did That's what I do too. Even at the elevated price, it's worth it by far for me to have HDX. There are always deals to be had. I've never bought an upgrade directly from AVID. |
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Post by enlav on Nov 29, 2021 12:43:26 GMT -6
The Avid way of business feels rough.[/div] I've been a customer since the days of LE and upgraded as needed, and only now do I get screwed unless I want to trade my perpetual license for a subscription? Not to mention, if I buy a new perpetual, I have no guarantee that the one year of updates/support will get me to M1-native processing.
edit: This being said, there's still a small part of me that wants to get a Pro Tools Carbon and PT Ultimate. is this stockholm syndrome?
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 29, 2021 12:50:19 GMT -6
I think you can just buy another subscription and let the other expire and get the discounted price. That’s what I did I just got dinged for it yesterday. |
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Post by Quint on Nov 29, 2021 12:58:21 GMT -6
I'm completely done with the mother****ers. Last time I checked, this was $99/year. I get an auto-renewal notice that they've charged me $326 ($299) for what basically breaks down to extortion. I'm being charged for critical updates for the product that paid for. On top of that, they're offering it for a $100 discount for new buyers. Complete bullshit. AND on top of that - it crashes on the OS that I'm forced to be on because of a new computer purchase...that I could understand, but it was crashing well before that for the last 10 years. I'm done with them. It sounds like you've been getting on pretty well with Luna anyway, no? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 29, 2021 13:18:14 GMT -6
I'm completely done with the mother****ers. Last time I checked, this was $99/year. I get an auto-renewal notice that they've charged me $326 ($299) for what basically breaks down to extortion. I'm being charged for critical updates for the product that paid for. On top of that, they're offering it for a $100 discount for new buyers. Complete bullshit. AND on top of that - it crashes on the OS that I'm forced to be on because of a new computer purchase...that I could understand, but it was crashing well before that for the last 10 years. I'm done with them. It sounds like you've been getting on pretty well with Luna anyway, no? Yeah - really, the biggest thing that was stopping me was computer power...and that's not an issue anymore. Might have mixed my last song in Pro Tools. |
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Post by Quint on Nov 29, 2021 13:23:16 GMT -6
It sounds like you've been getting on pretty well with Luna anyway, no? Yeah - really, the biggest thing that was stopping me was computer power...and that's not an issue anymore. Might have mixed my last song in Pro Tools. I assume people bring you songs in PT regularly? If so, how are you dealing with bringing that into Luna? |
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Post by theshea on Nov 29, 2021 13:33:05 GMT -6
i am on logic for like 15 years and maybe i have maybe paid like 500€ (maybe even less) in total in all those years ... stable as hell.
a version normally works easily for 4-5 years and the updates are free. only pay for the big new versions.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 29, 2021 13:59:06 GMT -6
Yeah - really, the biggest thing that was stopping me was computer power...and that's not an issue anymore. Might have mixed my last song in Pro Tools. I assume people bring you songs in PT regularly? If so, how are you dealing with bringing that into Luna? Yeah - literally 99.98% are in Pro Tools around here. I just select all the files and consolidate them...then they're time stamped in the Audio folder...then I go drop them into my Luna session. Gonna be kind've a PITA, but I can't use any Izotope or IK plugs right now... |
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 29, 2021 17:35:16 GMT -6
Walked away from avid 5 years ago, I just thought what a joke all the hyperbole was about how 11 was finally going to be bug free cus of ditching the old code and writing new: blah blah blah.
Protools vanilla had already cost a fair bit over 5 years, bought logic for like $230 and never looked back.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Nov 29, 2021 17:46:04 GMT -6
Thinking of how much money I spend on coffee ($12 a week for the wife and myself) the cost of PT seems very small. I’ve been using it for almost 20 years and haven’t really ever had issues (lucky maybe?). At this stage of the game for me, I’ve got no interest in learning another program unless I absolutely needed to for some reason. I had to learn basics in cubase for a session at a studio, and some things seemed appealing, but it wasn’t enough to push me towards it.
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Post by octalsocket on Nov 29, 2021 18:36:02 GMT -6
It’s odd that Avid seems to abuse their most loyal customers the most.
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Post by tim on Nov 29, 2021 19:06:03 GMT -6
If Pro Tools didn't throw fits all the time I'd be a superfan, I really like it when it works, but man it's a pita to use with all its glitches. Yeah I've had extended periods where it behaved (incidently on a PC of all things), but I've been back on a Mac for awhile now and it's giving me no love. The UI has been freezing while the audio keeps on playing. Happening a lot lately forcing me to do a hard restart on the machine to recover. I'm not a pro so don't do this to put bread on the table but really how are you pros dealing with this sh!t? I run an HD Native thunderbolt. Do I need to spend 4k for an HDX card just to use this POS. Sorry this thread touched a nerve.
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Post by svart on Nov 29, 2021 19:50:30 GMT -6
It’s odd that Avid seems to abuse their most loyal customers the most. They know the "only pro studios use pro tools" rhetoric is so strong that they can do that and most users will just pay it rather than be the odd duck who can't just import sessions. The problem is that half the sessions might not use the plugs you have, so you end up baking effects into tracks you might send out any way, so consolidating is just a small step in the whole process to make it portable to any other daw. I always tell folks to mult a track, then add effects to the mult then render it to that track, or render specific effects as a wet-only track and send it with the consolidated files. I then drop the whole folder into reaper and arrange as I need in my template. Takes 10 minutes tops. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Nov 29, 2021 20:11:13 GMT -6
Studio One is calling you. Give in to your feelings. You know it to be true…
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 29, 2021 21:10:18 GMT -6
Remember, there is the extended license in classified now .
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 29, 2021 22:17:50 GMT -6
Thinking of how much money I spend on coffee ($12 a week for the wife and myself) the cost of PT seems very small. I’ve been using it for almost 20 years and haven’t really ever had issues (lucky maybe?). At this stage of the game for me, I’ve got no interest in learning another program unless I absolutely needed to for some reason. I had to learn basics in cubase for a session at a studio, and some things seemed appealing, but it wasn’t enough to push me towards it. same here. I've had a few small things, but never anything horrid. And there is just no way I think some other DAWs do advanced automation like PT and post work flows like PT. Which is why it will stay king in big studios for a while longer for sure. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 29, 2021 22:37:43 GMT -6
I know Cubase extremely well, Luna too. Logic I still find the least logical.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Nov 29, 2021 22:46:06 GMT -6
I know Cubase extremely well, Luna too. Logic I still find the least logical. Supposedly Cubase users find Studio One to be quite natural. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Nov 29, 2021 23:11:23 GMT -6
I personally find Logic and Cubase to be far more alike than either is to Pro Tools.
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 29, 2021 23:40:12 GMT -6
I know Cubase extremely well, Luna too. Logic I still find the least logical. Funny. To me Logic is pretty much what a mixing desk and a rack full of gear is. OK the gear rack is highly customizable.... Having my own key commands is also a huge plus. Used PT once and thought it was the least logical.... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 23:45:45 GMT -6
Reaper, Cubase, Logic are all solid. Logic is it’s own thing but has the best help. Reaper is best as a tape machine and digital mixer imo but some of the built in functions are very very useful.
Honestly I can use anything as long as I can get my TDR and U-he plugs running. Everything else… whatever. I hate ilok but need it for reverb so I have a bunch of psp plugs. Tempted to go Valhalla but Relab Sonsig and PSP EMT 2445 just sound so much better. I can also make a record fast with just PSP Infinistrip. It’s just grungy or woody vs Tokyo Dawn. Hopefully the Fuse strip is as good.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2021 0:00:56 GMT -6
I've been out of the Pro Tools loop since 2013, native had features cut / partially implemented which in its own manual stated one needs HDX to rectify said issues and HDX itself had become unnecessary (for music orientated production at least). I suppose one could argue the latency side but as you're in the UA eco-system Luna / console will pretty much do the same thing.
I did enjoy using HDX, if nothing else the workflow was straight forward but it wasn't difficult to learn an alternative. For the reasons Svart mentioned, the additional cost and Avid themselves I decided to break ties. Can't say I've missed or thought about it much since..
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Post by javamad on Nov 30, 2021 2:44:53 GMT -6
I'm completely done with the mother****ers. Last time I checked, this was $99/year. I get an auto-renewal notice that they've charged me $326 ($299) for what basically breaks down to extortion. I'm being charged for critical updates for the product that paid for. On top of that, they're offering it for a $100 discount for new buyers. Complete bullshit. AND on top of that - it crashes on the OS that I'm forced to be on because of a new computer purchase...that I could understand, but it was crashing well before that for the last 10 years. I'm done with them. You should be able to start a chargeback process with your bank/chargeback company.. especially if last years sub amount was $99 and they suddenly changed it to a much higher amount. You can claim you would not have renewed at that price. In fact you should contact Avid first and ask them to refund for that exact reason. (your bank will ask you to try that first anyway before starting a chargeback) That should at least put you back to square 1 to be able to assess and decide With whatever email you get back from Avid you can send on to your card issuer. |
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