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Post by mcirish on Nov 30, 2021 16:26:55 GMT -6
Reading this makes me a little more glad I'm using Nuendo. I don't do a ton of outside work. It's mostly me and a few bands that I work with. So, I don't have to use an industry "standard". I've been very happy with Nuendo/Cubase for songwriting purposes. Every once in a while I think I should try something else. A few minutes with Reaper usually cures that. I'm not sure how people get any work done in it. I'm fairly intelligent and have done a great deal of electrical engineering as well as audio engineering. I just can't understand their reasoning for how they make Reaper work. Anyway, I'm happy to stay where I'm at. I don't think the DAW is going to be the thing that prevents anyone from producing good tunes. It all comes down to workflow and what you want the DAW to do.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 30, 2021 16:44:41 GMT -6
Yeah. I have a perp license with the yearly extortion.
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Post by svart on Nov 30, 2021 17:48:02 GMT -6
Reading this makes me a little more glad I'm using Nuendo. I don't do a ton of outside work. It's mostly me and a few bands that I work with. So, I don't have to use an industry "standard". I've been very happy with Nuendo/Cubase for songwriting purposes. Every once in a while I think I should try something else. A few minutes with Reaper usually cures that. I'm not sure how people get any work done in it. I'm fairly intelligent and have done a great deal of electrical engineering as well as audio engineering. I just can't understand their reasoning for how they make Reaper work. Anyway, I'm happy to stay where I'm at. I don't think the DAW is going to be the thing that prevents anyone from producing good tunes. It all comes down to workflow and what you want the DAW to do. Lol, people either love it or hate it. I honestly can't see why people like other daws over reaper. I've used cubase and protools and reaper is most intuitive for me although I can work in any of them after an hour of reacquainting.
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Post by yewtreemagic on Nov 30, 2021 18:04:27 GMT -6
No surprise here. This is how Avid works. Pay - or leave. I deserted, and went Reaper for a few years, but then their hopelessly complex clumsy recording playlists / no comprehensive track grouping and no post inserts drove me back to ProTools. (other than that, Reaper is awesome) The main thing that keeps me on Poo Tools is compatibility with nearly all of my clients and other studios. I have to pay - it makes my life easier / even though I despise the company You should really be using reaper with hierarchical folders. Put the post effects on the main folder. I don't personally know many folks who use post-fader effects that aren't buss based anyway, which is probably why Reaper devs haven't prioritized it. There's a thread in the forums asking for it but very few voted for it to be implemented. That's a shame for me, as I love using Airwindows Console7, and the routing for it is a real fiddle without a post-fader option in Reaper (you need to leave your faders at 0dB and adjust your channel levels pre-fader).
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Post by christophert on Nov 30, 2021 22:09:25 GMT -6
You should really be using reaper with hierarchical folders. Put the post effects on the main folder. I don't personally know many folks who use post-fader effects that aren't buss based anyway, which is probably why Reaper devs haven't prioritized it. There's a thread in the forums asking for it but very few voted for it to be implemented. That's a shame for me, as I love using Airwindows Console7, and the routing for it is a real fiddle without a post-fader option in Reaper (you need to leave your faders at 0dB and adjust your channel levels pre-fader). Reaper is hopeless for hybrid mixing w / direct outs :- where folders are not wanted, and therefore there is a constant need for post fader options. The Dev's don't want to know
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Post by Omicron9 on Dec 1, 2021 8:43:03 GMT -6
I'm just going to say it: Reaper. For me, getting out of Logic was a breath of fresh air and sunshine. I know many love it, but I never did. Reaper on PC for several years now; I have yet to experience a crash. Not one. License is $65 for (I think) two major versions. The last time I paid for the license was three years ago and it's yet to come up for renewal.
DAWs are a very personal choice tho; this is simply mine.
-09
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Post by svart on Dec 1, 2021 8:45:27 GMT -6
That's a shame for me, as I love using Airwindows Console7, and the routing for it is a real fiddle without a post-fader option in Reaper (you need to leave your faders at 0dB and adjust your channel levels pre-fader). Reaper is hopeless for hybrid mixing w / direct outs :- where folders are not wanted, and therefore there is a constant need for post fader options. The Dev's don't want to know Not sure what you mean about the direct outs. I mixed hybrid for 15 years with reaper without issues.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 11:00:46 GMT -6
Reading this makes me a little more glad I'm using Nuendo. I don't do a ton of outside work. It's mostly me and a few bands that I work with. So, I don't have to use an industry "standard". I've been very happy with Nuendo/Cubase for songwriting purposes. Every once in a while I think I should try something else. A few minutes with Reaper usually cures that. I'm not sure how people get any work done in it. I'm fairly intelligent and have done a great deal of electrical engineering as well as audio engineering. I just can't understand their reasoning for how they make Reaper work. Anyway, I'm happy to stay where I'm at. I don't think the DAW is going to be the thing that prevents anyone from producing good tunes. It all comes down to workflow and what you want the DAW to do. Lol, people either love it or hate it. I honestly can't see why people like other daws over reaper. I've used cubase and protools and reaper is most intuitive for me although I can work in any of them after an hour of reacquainting. Pro Tools could be the most intuitive if they would just fix some basic things. Like not crashing Reaper was the only DAW I didn’t need a manual for. It just works like the Microsoft Office 2003 version of a digital mixer. It’s gotten way more stable with all the 6.xx updates. Logic has the best help and documentation so I can see going for that on Mac. Cubase still has the cleanest playback engine but the program itself is bloated as fuck, e licenser slows the mouse down (the mouse routines are on the dongle. Most effective anti piracy since Ur’s kills switches and time bombs), and the mixer you can’t rearrange for fader riding. All these daws are just massive clusterfucks of brand spanking new and ancient code, that’s probably literally from the 80s for Cubase and Pro Tools. It’s like you kept an 80s pcb console alive with tons of wiring and soldering skills and it looks like a clusterfuck inside. Logic is an early 90s one and Reaper early 2000s but at least Reaper has daughterboads every where (all the dlls)
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Post by enlav on Dec 1, 2021 11:17:08 GMT -6
Pro Tools could be the most intuitive if they would just fix some basic things. Like not crashing Only quoting this statement, but the routine mention of Pro Tools crashing has me rethinking some options for DAWs. Pro Tools stability must come in waves, I remember it being spotty when I first started using it back with PT LE, some other rougher instances on HD, but Pro Tools 11 on my archaic xeon e5 tower has been extremely reliable. Maybe it's because my CPU is so slow, Pro Tools is never pushed hard enough to crash? I'm guessing PT+M1 stability will be rough for some time.
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Post by sean on Dec 1, 2021 11:21:12 GMT -6
Maybe I’m lucky but I’ve never had an issue with Pro Tools stability in the past decade or so that I can remember. The only thing that’s ever caused crashing is plugins that aren’t compatible with an update (NoiseAsh Pultec was giving me issues)
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Post by enlav on Dec 1, 2021 11:24:42 GMT -6
Maybe I’m lucky but I’ve never had an issue with Pro Tools stability in the past decade or so that I can remember. The only thing that’s ever caused crashing is plugins that aren’t compatible with an update (NoiseAsh Pultec was giving me issues) Yeah, I'm suspecting that the troubles I've had at other facilities in the past were probably more linked to plugins, when I look back. We're talking crashes that would mostly occur when I'd be loading in various RTAS/TDM plugins. Maybe not totally correct to blame Pro Tools for that.
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Post by brenta on Dec 1, 2021 11:31:42 GMT -6
Pro Tools could be the most intuitive if they would just fix some basic things. Like not crashing Only quoting this statement, but the routine mention of Pro Tools crashing has me rethinking some options for DAWs. Pro Tools stability must come in waves, I remember it being spotty when I first started using it back with PT LE, some other rougher instances on HD, but Pro Tools 11 on my archaic xeon e5 tower has been extremely reliable. Maybe it's because my CPU is so slow, Pro Tools is never pushed hard enough to crash? I'm guessing PT+M1 stability will be rough for some time. That's one reason why the subscription or the "support plan" are such tough sells for me. When they alter pieces the code with an update, there are so many variables on different systems that its just as likely to make my system less stable as it is to make it more stable. So if I have Pro Tools running well on my computer, why would I pay a monthly fee for updates that might screw that up?
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Post by bob on Dec 1, 2021 11:35:08 GMT -6
I just think Apple should buy Avid
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Post by superwack on Dec 1, 2021 12:24:40 GMT -6
FYI I just got an email from AudioDeluxe that AVID has, for a limited time, reinstated GET CURRENT licenses so you can buy back in to perpetual for both versions for $249/$499 for anyone who needs it. (I'd imagine they are available elsewhere) www.audiodeluxe.com/search/site/avid%20pro%20tools
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Post by popmann on Dec 1, 2021 12:28:51 GMT -6
Post fader inserts should exist in a DAW. Dither. Limiting/clipping. Airwindows fix for summing. But, this isn't a Reaper (or LogicX which doesn't have them either) bashing thread. It's about ProTools--and I'm really curious what the killer feature is for you, John. I mean what is THE feature/function you're not able to get elsewhere...?
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Post by enlav on Dec 1, 2021 13:08:31 GMT -6
FYI I just got an email from AudioDeluxe that AVID has, for a limited time, reinstated GET CURRENT licenses so you can buy back in to perpetual for both versions for $249/$499 for anyone who needs it. (I'd imagine they are available elsewhere) www.audiodeluxe.com/search/site/avid%20pro%20toolsWait. Is this exactly what I was told wasn't available a couple weeks ago? ie - a way to get from PT11 to the new perpetual?
Maybe my complaint email actually worked. (Joking)
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 1, 2021 15:31:12 GMT -6
Post fader inserts should exist in a DAW. Dither. Limiting/clipping. Airwindows fix for summing. But, this isn't a Reaper (or LogicX which doesn't have them either) bashing thread. It's about ProTools--and I'm really curious what the killer feature is for you, John. I mean what is THE feature/function you're not able to get elsewhere...? Just because I get 99% of shit I mix in PT. Not that consolidation is a huge deal. But it’s another step and any playlist is not included. It’s just another pita.
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Post by brenta on Dec 1, 2021 15:40:50 GMT -6
FYI I just got an email from AudioDeluxe that AVID has, for a limited time, reinstated GET CURRENT licenses so you can buy back in to perpetual for both versions for $249/$499 for anyone who needs it. (I'd imagine they are available elsewhere) www.audiodeluxe.com/search/site/avid%20pro%20toolsThanks for the heads up! I thought they were done with the perpetual upgrades but maybe Avid needs to juice their revenue before the end of the year. Seems like everything is aligning for me to pull the trigger on a new Macbook Pro. I just WUPed my Waves last week at 25% off and updated my Izotope stuff at a steep Black Friday discount.
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Post by vintagetubelug on Dec 1, 2021 17:55:04 GMT -6
I do a perpetual license every few years and update it to a stable version with my OS and then sit on it. I've had no problems with crashing or glitches knock on wood. I would love to not give Avid any more money but most of my work is for film/tv composers and 100% of them people are in PT world.
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Post by popmann on Dec 1, 2021 20:43:46 GMT -6
Post fader inserts should exist in a DAW. Dither. Limiting/clipping. Airwindows fix for summing. But, this isn't a Reaper (or LogicX which doesn't have them either) bashing thread. It's about ProTools--and I'm really curious what the killer feature is for you, John. I mean what is THE feature/function you're not able to get elsewhere...? Just because I get 99% of shit I mix in PT. Not that consolidation is a huge deal. But it’s another step and any playlist is not included. It’s just another pita. ...that's good enough reason if someone is sending you PT sessions to MIX. I just think songwriting. Sounds like you have to maintain a license. That makes it costing more even more of a black eye.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 1, 2021 21:53:39 GMT -6
Just because I get 99% of shit I mix in PT. Not that consolidation is a huge deal. But it’s another step and any playlist is not included. It’s just another pita. ...that's good enough reason if someone is sending you PT sessions to MIX. I just think songwriting. Sounds like you have to maintain a license. That makes it costing more even more of a black eye. Yeah most of the stuff I do for myself at home, I do in Cubase or Luna
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Post by reddirt on Dec 1, 2021 23:02:42 GMT -6
What's your latest take on Luna John? Cheers, Ross
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 1, 2021 23:54:31 GMT -6
What's your latest take on Luna John? Cheers, Ross Well, now that I have a new computer, it’s badass. There are still little things I miss from Pro Tools. Honestly, Cubase is the most feature rich…but I do like the built in tape and summing in Luna. The pitch and warp in Luna is better than any other DAW I’ve used.
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Post by sirthought on Dec 2, 2021 1:02:11 GMT -6
Post fader inserts should exist in a DAW. Dither. Limiting/clipping. Airwindows fix for summing. But, this isn't a Reaper (or LogicX which doesn't have them either) bashing thread. FYI -- I use post fader in Logic on occasion. It is possible.
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Post by sirthought on Dec 2, 2021 1:13:22 GMT -6
So let me get this straight, as I have debated getting a Carbon interface and the attached Pro Tools Ultimate license.
I would need to spend some $200+ a year to stay current with support? I could see spending a little to help them pay for the customer service and coders, but that's more than I spent on my current DAW one time.
I spent $200 on Logic years ago and haven't spent a penny since with multiple updates. The main thing I wish it had, that PT has, is savable playlists that carry the custom bus naming and routing with the project. In Logic it's global, which is stupid.
I've heard some people say they like Reaper because it's so deep that you can customize it to behave similar to other DAWs. They have created templates to make it work very similar to Pro Tools, so all their process is similar.
***And $12 a week for coffee? It only takes 6 minutes to brew on the machine at home. You can wait in the Starbucks line longer than that.*** Hahaha
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