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Post by indiehouse on Nov 29, 2019 8:23:14 GMT -6
Can someone explain again what the difference is between the standard and Pro versions? Just more presets?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 29, 2019 9:28:50 GMT -6
Can someone explain again what the difference is between the standard and Pro versions? Just more presets? 206 more presets and added controls.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 29, 2019 9:30:04 GMT -6
I use my 7th Heaven on a bus, sending varying amounts from my tracks. Are you guys saying you put it on the 2 bus and apply the reverb equally? I've never tried that.
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 29, 2019 9:35:40 GMT -6
On the Deep Stone comparison Wiz posted there is a huge difference, of course. So much that I think the presets are not the same, don’t know why, but I think to a proper comparison one should tweak one of the devices and match by ear. I mean, you can hear from a mile that’s not the same thing. The Studio B comparison is much closer. They are the same thing. Although I agree with everything Wiz said about lack of Space and Movement on the software, I must say that in this case I wouldn’t care much and would probably save the hardware for a better use and use the software, because they are VERY close.
I can imagine that both tools react very different and that they are both great but not the same thing. I remember when they said there will be never quality reverb in the box. Seen from this perspective I am very happy...
Why
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Post by ragan on Nov 29, 2019 9:36:46 GMT -6
I am pretty convinced the Deep Stone comparison is a presets-hijinks thing. It doesn’t sound like tonal/behavior difference, it sounds like a different setting.
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Post by drbill on Nov 29, 2019 9:49:18 GMT -6
I use my 7th Heaven on a bus, sending varying amounts from my tracks. Are you guys saying you put it on the 2 bus and apply the reverb equally? I've never tried that. Yes. But not "it - 7H" - the real Bricasti M7 - Studio A - 2nd to last element in mastering chain before the final brick wall limiter. Set 50-60% full wet. Audio / Musical magic. Makes the mix come alive. Not reverby - just alive. I've never found a box or plug in that can do it the same. For that one trick alone, it's worth it for me. Of course, there are many other tricks up its sleeve....
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Post by lando on Nov 29, 2019 10:01:15 GMT -6
I use my 7th Heaven on a bus, sending varying amounts from my tracks. Are you guys saying you put it on the 2 bus and apply the reverb equally? I've never tried that. Yes. But not "it - 7H" - the real Bricasti M7 - Studio A - 2nd to last element in mastering chain before the final brick wall limiter. Set 50-60% full wet. Audio / Musical magic. Makes the mix come alive. Not reverby - just alive. I've never found a box or plug in that can do it the same. For that one trick alone, it's worth it for me. Of course, there are many other tricks up its sleeve.... This, if anything, would be very cool task to compare the plugin vs the hw. If that impulse is included in the plugin that is.
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Post by mcirish on Nov 29, 2019 10:16:25 GMT -6
I picked up the non-pro version. At $49, it can cure my curiosity once and for all. I'd also picked up Nexcellence and Pheonixverb too. That only covers the reverbs I bought. I think I'm a sucker for BF sales, even when I don't really need anything more.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 29, 2019 10:40:08 GMT -6
drbill, I tried the 7Th Heaven Studio A preset on the 2 bus, tweaked it a little and it's really interesting. I'm on headphones right now. I'll check it on my monitors later, but I think it is enhancing things a bit. I'll know more after spend some time with it.
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Post by nudwig on Nov 29, 2019 12:17:05 GMT -6
Yes. But not "it - 7H" - the real Bricasti M7 - Studio A - 2nd to last element in mastering chain before the final brick wall limiter. Set 50-60% full wet. Audio / Musical magic. Makes the mix come alive. Not reverby - just alive. I've never found a box or plug in that can do it the same. For that one trick alone, it's worth it for me. Of course, there are many other tricks up its sleeve.... I'll have to try this, I'm also on Studio A probably 90% of the time but on a bus instead of the master. Usually varying amounts to mimic placement in the room, everything goes into it. I almost forget it's on until something happens like it got unpatched it or switched to digital and I'll be momentarily stumped why the mix fell apart. Dr Bill is right, it's way more like having a nice studio than sounding like reverb. When I realized this I went and found all the parameters of Abbey Road Studio B and made a preset, no idea if it sounds like AR but it does sound like an awesome room that's more effected than the Studio A preset. That said this thread got me to re-up my Slate subscription to try their verb against it again, need something when I'm on the go.
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Post by stormymondays on Nov 29, 2019 12:44:04 GMT -6
I use my 7th Heaven on a bus, sending varying amounts from my tracks. Are you guys saying you put it on the 2 bus and apply the reverb equally? I've never tried that. Yes. But not "it - 7H" - the real Bricasti M7 - Studio A - 2nd to last element in mastering chain before the final brick wall limiter. Set 50-60% full wet. Audio / Musical magic. Makes the mix come alive. Not reverby - just alive. I've never found a box or plug in that can do it the same. For that one trick alone, it's worth it for me. Of course, there are many other tricks up its sleeve.... Analog or digital I/O? I am pretty convinced the Deep Stone comparison is a presets-hijinks thing. It doesn’t sound like tonal/behavior difference, it sounds like a different setting. I think it can be due to Wiz using the analog I/O (and maybe his mixing board?). That introduces a lot of variables.
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Post by aremos on Nov 29, 2019 13:08:18 GMT -6
Just bought the $49. to start off & if, down the road, it's worth it, I'll upgrade.
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Post by ragan on Nov 29, 2019 13:08:49 GMT -6
Yes. But not "it - 7H" - the real Bricasti M7 - Studio A - 2nd to last element in mastering chain before the final brick wall limiter. Set 50-60% full wet. Audio / Musical magic. Makes the mix come alive. Not reverby - just alive. I've never found a box or plug in that can do it the same. For that one trick alone, it's worth it for me. Of course, there are many other tricks up its sleeve.... Analog or digital I/O? I am pretty convinced the Deep Stone comparison is a presets-hijinks thing. It doesn’t sound like tonal/behavior difference, it sounds like a different setting. I think it can be due to Wiz using the analog I/O (and maybe his mixing board?). That introduces a lot of variables. I don't think so. Obviously I don't really know, just going off listening, but at the very least the Bricasti version is wetter sounding. Those drum fills at the start have quite a bit more room decay going on than the Seventh Heaven version. And the Bricasti version is also blooming a lot more in the like 700 Hz or so range. The Seventh Heaven version is also quieter of course but I just can't make my ears believe it's an identical setting and wetness each clip has. I feel like the difference we're hearing is not simply hardware vs software in this clip.
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Post by stormymondays on Nov 29, 2019 13:13:24 GMT -6
Monday I might be able to run some more comparisons. I'll do the Deep Stone, and I also have some vocals from Vincent. I won't be able to patch it in analog though. I'll make sure to leave the full decay of whatever happens in the end of the track so you guys can listen to it. The decays are definitely a place where you can "hear the $$$$" BTW I didn't level match the reverb tracks, they are level matched "by default" (or so it seems to me!) because of the digital I/O.
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 29, 2019 13:28:37 GMT -6
Man, it's a good plugin. Making me question whether the money I have tied up in my Bricasti is worth it to me...
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Post by stormymondays on Nov 29, 2019 13:44:35 GMT -6
Man, it's a good plugin. Making me question whether the money I have tied up in my Bricasti is worth it to me... If it makes you feel better, I bought the Bricasti after the plugin became indispensable for me. I haven't regretted the purchase yet!
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 29, 2019 14:12:46 GMT -6
Jesus Wiz no one claimed it's the M7 but it's the next best thing you can buy in plug in land. I also ABd the BM7 against 7th H. And everybody in the studio came to the conclusion that the plug in sounds wonderful for what it is, and it's not the BM7. It's important to mention that no fake room at all still is king. You know, i am offended by this. Sometimes I wonder why I bother, to go to the trouble of downloading something that is being spruked as this is against the Hardware ..... which costs thousands, which I own and take the trouble to test ... and i was in the process of running off those test... whats the point. I figured people might like to hear the thoughts of someone who actually owns and has used the gear for a few years.... against hyperbole from people who probably have never even seen the real deal. don't worry I shall not make the mistake again Out Wiz You let one guy do all that to you?
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 29, 2019 14:18:17 GMT -6
I’ve had a Bricasto for a brief amount of time...I didn’t find it to be so life changing that I had to keep it. If I were making $2k a mix, maybe.
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Post by notneeson on Nov 29, 2019 14:31:29 GMT -6
I’ve had a Bricasto for a brief amount of time...I didn’t find it to be so life changing that I had to keep it. If I were making $2k a mix, maybe. This has been my experience mixing with the Bricasti and a Lex 224. Even that awesome sounding chamber at Hyde Street (Heider SF), in the context of a dense mix, becomes a lot less identifiably superior. Really sparse stuff would be an exception, I imagine, I've done stuff like that but not in the better equipped rooms I have access to. And where people REALLY lose me is in elevating boxes like the PCM60. I don't get it. But what I have not tried, is what Dr. Bill is talking about, Bricasti on the 2 buss, that I'd love to check out. But I'm WAY under $2K a mix, sadly. But really, I am trending away from reverb at the moment. My project studio is pretty dry and I'm finding that less is more in that space. Fewer mics, no verb, less panning. Of course, there's a never ending cycle of improvement and part of that is these polar swings in thinking. Onward!
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Post by ragan on Nov 29, 2019 14:33:16 GMT -6
I’ve had a Bricasto for a brief amount of time...I didn’t find it to be so life changing that I had to keep it. If I were making $2k a mix, maybe. Is "Bricasto" the mono version?
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Post by drbill on Nov 29, 2019 15:21:36 GMT -6
Yes. But not "it - 7H" - the real Bricasti M7 - Studio A - 2nd to last element in mastering chain before the final brick wall limiter. Set 50-60% full wet. Audio / Musical magic. Makes the mix come alive. Not reverby - just alive. I've never found a box or plug in that can do it the same. For that one trick alone, it's worth it for me. Of course, there are many other tricks up its sleeve.... Analog or digital I/O? I am pretty convinced the Deep Stone comparison is a presets-hijinks thing. It doesn’t sound like tonal/behavior difference, it sounds like a different setting. I think it can be due to Wiz using the analog I/O (and maybe his mixing board?). That introduces a lot of variables. Analog.
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Post by wiz on Nov 29, 2019 15:33:13 GMT -6
Yes. But not "it - 7H" - the real Bricasti M7 - Studio A - 2nd to last element in mastering chain before the final brick wall limiter. Set 50-60% full wet. Audio / Musical magic. Makes the mix come alive. Not reverby - just alive. I've never found a box or plug in that can do it the same. For that one trick alone, it's worth it for me. Of course, there are many other tricks up its sleeve.... Analog or digital I/O? I am pretty convinced the Deep Stone comparison is a presets-hijinks thing. It doesn’t sound like tonal/behavior difference, it sounds like a different setting. I think it can be due to Wiz using the analog I/O (and maybe his mixing board?). That introduces a lot of variables. My Bricasti goes direct to and from my MOTU
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Post by wiz on Nov 29, 2019 15:33:43 GMT -6
You know, i am offended by this. Sometimes I wonder why I bother, to go to the trouble of downloading something that is being spruked as this is against the Hardware ..... which costs thousands, which I own and take the trouble to test ... and i was in the process of running off those test... whats the point. I figured people might like to hear the thoughts of someone who actually owns and has used the gear for a few years.... against hyperbole from people who probably have never even seen the real deal. don't worry I shall not make the mistake again Out Wiz You let one guy do all that to you? Yes
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 29, 2019 15:45:59 GMT -6
Wiz, how would you characterize the differences between the bri’s analog and digital outs while mixing ?
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 29, 2019 15:50:09 GMT -6
Man, I’m talking myself into selling my Bricasti now. I could buy 7th Heaven Pro, the Coil 286 and parts to build a strat I’ve been jonesing over...
I hear the difference, for sure. Question is, do I care enough to pay that much for it?
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