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Post by mikec on Nov 29, 2019 16:13:42 GMT -6
Wiz, how would you characterize the differences between the bri’s analog and digital outs while mixing ? I'm not Wiz, but I used to run my Bricasti analog. When I got my 2x6 SE card for my Apogee Symphony I starting running it via the AES digital I/O to free up a couple of the analog lines. I can't tell any difference between the two. Not saying there isn't but my ears can't hear it.
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Post by wiz on Nov 29, 2019 16:49:15 GMT -6
Monday I might be able to run some more comparisons. I'll do the Deep Stone, and I also have some vocals from Vincent. I won't be able to patch it in analog though. I'll make sure to leave the full decay of whatever happens in the end of the track so you guys can listen to it. The decays are definitely a place where you can "hear the $$$$" BTW I didn't level match the reverb tracks, they are level matched "by default" (or so it seems to me!) because of the digital I/O. The best way here I reckon... use my track from my original test. Put your preset of 7th Heavens stone room on it, and your bricasti (digital) on it and lets see if its the same.... cheers Wiz
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Post by wiz on Nov 29, 2019 16:50:06 GMT -6
Wiz, how would you characterize the differences between the bri’s analog and digital outs while mixing ? I don't have (never have) had the ability to run mine digital Cheers Wiz
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 29, 2019 16:55:55 GMT -6
Wiz, how would you characterize the differences between the bri’s analog and digital outs while mixing ? I don't have (never have) had the ability to run mine digital Cheers Wiz Midi to USB cable? I run mine that way. Works great. Cheap Hosa cable works great.
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Post by stormymondays on Nov 29, 2019 17:00:29 GMT -6
Digital I/O is AES.
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Post by wiz on Nov 29, 2019 17:12:26 GMT -6
I don't have (never have) had the ability to run mine digital Cheers Wiz Midi to USB cable? I run mine that way. Works great. Cheap Hosa cable works great. that would be to control it with a plug in...
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Post by popmann on Nov 29, 2019 17:27:57 GMT -6
When ive compared, with hardware reverb that is NOT a Bricasti, analog vs digital is fairly stark difference....and subjective better/worse i never saw a pattern.
But, it should be mentioned that functinally, analog is light....f’n.....YEARS ahead of digital. The more things you need to maintain sync between the PIA gets exponential from “none” to a bunch.
I have also done midi recall with midi IO. Thats a nice thing....but its a bunch to set up (with a rack of units and potentially different DAWs)....for effectively not saving a text file with the project.
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Post by ragan on Nov 29, 2019 17:40:46 GMT -6
When ive compared, with hardware reverb that is NOT a Bricasti, analog vs digital is fairly stark difference....and subjective better/worse i never saw a pattern. But, it should be mentioned that functinally, analog is light....f’n.....YEARS ahead of digital. The more things you need to maintain sync between the PIA gets exponential from “none” to a bunch. I have also done midi recall with midi IO. Thats a nice thing....but its a bunch to set up (with a rack of units and potentially different DAWs)....for effectively not saving a text file with the project. What analog reverbs have you used? Springs and plates? I don't get the functionality comparison. An analog reverb like a plate doesn't require a clock signal, sure, but it requires a big chunk of space and some acoustic isolation. A digital reverb doesn't necessarily require a clock since you can just patch it in via its analog I/O. Seems like a pretty solidly apples to oranges situation.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 29, 2019 17:59:05 GMT -6
I can’t say whether it’s “The” reverb to own but it is very nice. I compared it directly to the 480L verb and went with 7th heaven as it sounded just as good (maybe better), was cheaper, and less cpu intensive. It has a nice modulation that imho helps glue vocals into a track. I’d also consider the SP2016 too. It’s one of my other go to verbs. I really like it on guitars and drums. For context I use 4 reverbs that I feel are all quite different and that bring different things to the table. UAD Plate 140, the Cubase Convolution reverb, 7th Heaven, and Eventide SP2016. Between those 4 I feel like I have all my basses covered I downloaded the demos an think the SP2016 does a better lush verb than the 7th. Real nice rich thing happening with the eventide. 7th seemed to have more realistic ambience/space/room sounds though. Both nice.
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 29, 2019 18:27:13 GMT -6
Midi to USB cable? I run mine that way. Works great. Cheap Hosa cable works great. that would be to control it with a plug in... Oh yeah! I’ve got AES to SPDIF converters into my 16a.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 29, 2019 18:34:23 GMT -6
Dr Sax, can you set the 7th Heaven as close to the Bricasti as you can get it and run a track through them both! It would be good fun to see just how close it can get in a final mix.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 29, 2019 21:14:04 GMT -6
I’ve had a Bricasto for a brief amount of time...I didn’t find it to be so life changing that I had to keep it. If I were making $2k a mix, maybe. Is "Bricasto" the mono version? Could only afford one side.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 29, 2019 21:18:01 GMT -6
When ive compared, with hardware reverb that is NOT a Bricasti, analog vs digital is fairly stark difference....and subjective better/worse i never saw a pattern. But, it should be mentioned that functinally, analog is light....f’n.....YEARS ahead of digital. The more things you need to maintain sync between the PIA gets exponential from “none” to a bunch. I have also done midi recall with midi IO. Thats a nice thing....but its a bunch to set up (with a rack of units and potentially different DAWs)....for effectively not saving a text file with the project. Sometimes I need a translator for your posts.
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Post by ragan on Nov 29, 2019 21:18:57 GMT -6
Is "Bricasto" the mono version? Could only afford one side. Understandable. “You want some panini?” “I better just get a single panino. Sandwich budget’s tight.”
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Post by seawell on Nov 29, 2019 21:49:04 GMT -6
I own seventh heaven and did own a Bricasti for a while. It is odd that some patches are pretty close and then others don't even sound remotely the same. Not sure what's up with that. I compared them pretty extensively when I had both and preferred the hardware every time. Having said all that, once I picked up a PCM 70 I sold the Bricasti shortly after. Apples to oranges... I know, but just throwing another option out there in case anyone has the itch to try hardware reverb but can't quite swing for a Bricasti yet.
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 29, 2019 23:07:07 GMT -6
I just want to say, im an avid M7 user and lover and addict. They are awesome. i hope to own my own personal one someday. But at our studio we have 3 and they get used all the time, every time. Both Digiatal inputs(Protools system) and Pyramix(Analog).
Can't really speak on if one sounds better than the other in terms of using the built in converts of the M7 or not. Mostly because I am using Avid HD IOs with the PT system and a Horus for the Pyramix system and the Horus is a WAY better sounding converter from the get go.
That said, I do find that i need less of the reverb in a mix on the pyramix system than in Protools.
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Post by popmann on Nov 29, 2019 23:12:59 GMT -6
The discussion being had was whether the reverb was connected via analog or digital connections. My input is--done both with a lot of systems over the years. Sonically, there's NO "better/worse" pattern in that--some the analog connections sound nicer....some the digital connections sound nicer.
Functionally--WORLD of fucking difference. Analog wins. 100%. All the time in being less a PIA across every project you're sent.
So, my advice is always to hook it (the reverb box) up analog unless there's some real solid reason you can't.
YMMV.
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Post by Blackdawg on Nov 30, 2019 1:03:46 GMT -6
The discussion being had was whether the reverb was connected via analog or digital connections. My input is--done both with a lot of systems over the years. Sonically, there's NO "better/worse" pattern in that--some the analog connections sound nicer....some the digital connections sound nicer. Functionally--WORLD of fucking difference. Analog wins. 100%. All the time in being less a PIA across every project you're sent. So, my advice is always to hook it (the reverb box) up analog unless there's some real solid reason you can't. YMMV. mmm id disagree. You can use one AES cable for the input and one for the output. Less cable = easier. Definitely not a world of difference in functionality.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 30, 2019 6:35:47 GMT -6
Man, it's a good plugin. Making me question whether the money I have tied up in my Bricasti is worth it to me... Email support and they'll hook you up with an educational discount.
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 30, 2019 6:45:22 GMT -6
Man, it's a good plugin. Making me question whether the money I have tied up in my Bricasti is worth it to me... Email support and they'll hook you up with an educational discount. Better than this sale?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 30, 2019 7:09:03 GMT -6
Email support and they'll hook you up with an educational discount. Better than this sale? On top of the sale.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 30, 2019 7:10:11 GMT -6
How are the Lustrous Plates? I've talked myself into the 7th H Pro after playing with the demo for a bit. Anyone use the plates?
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 30, 2019 7:11:15 GMT -6
Bought lp, digit it, you get the bf discount plus additional coupon, in your account.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 30, 2019 7:34:08 GMT -6
Bought lp, digit it, you get the bf discount plus additional coupon, in your account. I'm thinking I'm gonna buy the plates and try to stack all the discounts to get the pro.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 30, 2019 8:00:57 GMT -6
Sure: good plan. You’ll get the bf discount on both, they have bundle prices too so check b4 u buy!
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