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Post by aremos on Dec 1, 2019 0:40:01 GMT -6
Bought the 7H lite & decided to go with the Pro version & Matt immediately refunded the Lite & am downloading (takes a while) the Pro version right now.
Can someone elaborate on the TSAR?
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Post by ragan on Dec 1, 2019 1:51:46 GMT -6
Can someone elaborate on the TSAR?
From my (subjective of course) perspective the TSAR reverb is a cute little two-slider unit which I had forgotten I had until this discussion reminded me. Upon a fresh mess-around with it I can say that it ain't half-bad. It's not on the level of depth and nuance and lushness that the Liquidsonics stuff is but it's kind of a fun little thing. It seems to more or less always have a chorus-y modulation going, which can be part of the fun. Kind of reminds me of the emjoyment I get out of like a cheap Alesis hardware verb.
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Post by phantom on Dec 1, 2019 7:48:08 GMT -6
7th Heaven and Lustrous Plates are incredibly good plugins.
One day I'll get the 7th Heaven Pro, but at the same time I normally just use the same presets on the normal version.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 1, 2019 8:28:36 GMT -6
I had all the ua, relab, exponential audio ( I really use them a lot too), but really like 7Hpro and LP, kinda like a fav guitar, you know it first time you see it and pick it and becomes the go to: feel that way about 7Hpro and LP.
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Post by mcirish on Dec 1, 2019 9:56:43 GMT -6
Bought the 7H lite & decided to go with the Pro version & Matt immediately refunded the Lite & am downloading (takes a while) the Pro version right now.
Can someone elaborate on the TSAR?
They have two versions. The TSAR-1R is the limited 2 slider version. TSAR-1 is the full version. It's not a transparent reverb. I use it on most everything. It gives you enough control to dial in a sound fast without becoming overwhelmed with choices. I tend to use a HPF and LPF right before it when used as a send. The low end can get a little thick without some EQ. It's pretty much my default reverb for drums and acoustic guitars. When I first heard about it, I thought it must be pretty bad, since not many people talk about it. It is a different flavor than SH. I personally like it a lot.
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Post by ragan on Dec 2, 2019 10:28:46 GMT -6
I got the 7H Pro/Lustrous Plates/Illusion bundle. It's such good stuff.
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Post by brenta on Dec 2, 2019 11:11:05 GMT -6
I love the Softube TSAR. I use the full version. It’s my go-to when I need a realistic sounding room for drums, piano, organ, acoustic guitar. I like it a lot better than UAD Ocean Way for that. Liked it a lot better than 7th Heaven when I tried it for those duties as well.
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Post by stormymondays on Dec 2, 2019 12:39:03 GMT -6
Ok, the new test is here! www.dropbox.com/sh/cxf6tmd8dxqqdiv/AABFmY5_C0EsYgpTeafGobuHa?dl=0Here you can find: -Apple drum loop dry -Studio B Close (my initial test) -Stone Room (with full decay) -Autumn Leaves dry vocal (THANKS VINCENT!!!) -Sunset Chamber For the vocal test I left everything at zero: dry track from Vincent and returns. For the drum test I think I lowered the loop -6.2 dB.
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 2, 2019 15:39:18 GMT -6
Ok, the new test is here! www.dropbox.com/sh/cxf6tmd8dxqqdiv/AABFmY5_C0EsYgpTeafGobuHa?dl=0Here you can find: -Apple drum loop dry -Studio B Close (my initial test) -Stone Room (with full decay) -Autumn Leaves dry vocal (THANKS VINCENT!!!) -Sunset Chamber For the vocal test I left everything at zero: dry track from Vincent and returns. For the drum test I think I lowered the loop -6.2 dB. Thanks for doing this. In these examples the BM7 is clear winner to my ears.
At the same time I can hear that the 7H is very close in tone but is not lush, wide open and dense.
It makes me curious if LS could do it, but they don't do it because they respect each other.
I bet it was a lot of work to make the 7H sound like this. For the money... I love the plug in...
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Post by EmRR on Dec 2, 2019 15:59:32 GMT -6
Man, I need to study up on creating IR's for reverbs. Two real plates here and a killer unintentional chamber at my parents house.
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Post by ragan on Dec 2, 2019 16:05:40 GMT -6
Man, I need to study up on creating IR's for reverbs. Two real plates here and a killer unintentional chamber at my parents house. Same. I happen to be studying IRs/convolution right now, though it's way down the tree, doing the underlying math of transfer functions for various filters and stuff. I have zero knowledge of how these things are implemented in DSP land. I'd really like to know more about how something like Seventh Heaven or Lustrous Plates is created. Btw, have you tried Lustrous Plates, Doug?
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Post by EmRR on Dec 2, 2019 16:41:27 GMT -6
I have tried exactly zero 3rd party / non-native software reverbs.
I'm curious to drop some other IR's into the native DP Proverb.
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 2, 2019 16:45:28 GMT -6
Man, I need to study up on creating IR's for reverbs. Two real plates here and a killer unintentional chamber at my parents house. Same. I happen to be studying IRs/convolution right now, though it's way down the tree, doing the underlying math of transfer functions for various filters and stuff. I have zero knowledge of how these things are implemented in DSP land. I'd really like to know more about how something like Seventh Heaven or Lustrous Plates is created. Btw, have you tried Lustrous Plates, Doug?
Someone wrote that with 7H Pro comes with a 10 GB library?
In this case its not based on simple L C R IRs?
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Post by ragan on Dec 2, 2019 17:51:56 GMT -6
Same. I happen to be studying IRs/convolution right now, though it's way down the tree, doing the underlying math of transfer functions for various filters and stuff. I have zero knowledge of how these things are implemented in DSP land. I'd really like to know more about how something like Seventh Heaven or Lustrous Plates is created. Btw, have you tried Lustrous Plates, Doug?
Someone wrote that with 7H Pro comes with a 10 GB library?
In this case its not based on simple L C R IRs?
LS has their own proprietary method for taking IRs. Whatever it is, it's very good.
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 2, 2019 18:19:48 GMT -6
Someone wrote that with 7H Pro comes with a 10 GB library?
In this case its not based on simple L C R IRs?
LS has their own proprietary method for taking IRs. Whatever it is, it's very good.
Did you try the Illusion thing. Is that a step up from the 7H?
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 2, 2019 22:11:12 GMT -6
To make things more confusing.... Here is Slate's Verbsuite Classics (Powered by LiquidSonics) Sunset Chambers setting as well. I left everything set at 0. I did have to level match it a bit as that reverb plugin is hot. I also included the FG-6000 (TC Electronix TC6000) 6k Big Vocal Plate preset, which is what I actually used when I mixed the song.
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Post by ragan on Dec 2, 2019 23:11:02 GMT -6
LS has their own proprietary method for taking IRs. Whatever it is, it's very good.
Did you try the Illusion thing. Is that a step up from the 7H?
I bought Illusion/7H Pro/Lustrous, yeah. I wouldn't say Illusion is a 'step up' from 7H no, it's just different. Really cool tweaking parameters (my fav being separate EQs for early and late reflections). Illusion sounds kinda like what I wished Altiverb sounded like. I think 7H is more lush and sort of 'beautiful' sounding but Illusion is a really cool ambience/reverb sculpting plug. I like it a lot.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 3, 2019 6:09:59 GMT -6
Speaking of Illusion and difference to 7HP, I asked Matt at LS and here is what he sent me, he said ok to post here too:
"Hi
I’d say the main things really would be…
1. More control over your reflections, a plate has none, and Seventh Heaven reflections are from a limited pattern selection of 32, so that’s more scope here to sculpt them 2. The flux control brings more traditional chorusing into the sound in the higher ranges rather than just being a non-pitchy style of modulation as in the other 2 verbs, which can be nice on vocals if you start to push it higher etc 3. Lower density decay, SH/LP are extremely high density (and constant density), so you can do a more old-school style of verb that sounded more like a ton of reflections as opposed to a dense wash with Illusion playing with that control (think 224, etc) 4. You’ve got the chance to use some of the lo-fi presets with the extremely tight brick-wall filters, which can give the flavour (combined with low density) of the very early hardware devices with the extreme band-limiting that was characteristic at the time
So you get a bit more depth in it, it’s perhaps a little more complex, but has some great presets that can’t be done in the others.
Thanks Matt"
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 3, 2019 7:24:17 GMT -6
Speaking of Illusion and difference to 7HP, I asked Matt at LS and here is what he sent me, he said ok to post here too: "Hi I’d say the main things really would be… 1. More control over your reflections, a plate has none, and Seventh Heaven reflections are from a limited pattern selection of 32, so that’s more scope here to sculpt them 2. The flux control brings more traditional chorusing into the sound in the higher ranges rather than just being a non-pitchy style of modulation as in the other 2 verbs, which can be nice on vocals if you start to push it higher etc 3. Lower density decay, SH/LP are extremely high density (and constant density), so you can do a more old-school style of verb that sounded more like a ton of reflections as opposed to a dense wash with Illusion playing with that control (think 224, etc) 4. You’ve got the chance to use some of the lo-fi presets with the extremely tight brick-wall filters, which can give the flavour (combined with low density) of the very early hardware devices with the extreme band-limiting that was characteristic at the time So you get a bit more depth in it, it’s perhaps a little more complex, but has some great presets that can’t be done in the others. Thanks Matt"
Cool info, thanks for posting. I will check out his products they do sound very nice I have three verbs of him now.
I do love the lustrous plate because it sounds like plates I know from older records. His verbs go with dynamics still unbeaten by the real M7 sure....
And I like the fact that I often do not need delay to support the dimension. Sure I like to that I can fake a believable, bringing doubts to the table, real space too.
Nice toys and I wonder how far we got in the last 15 years.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 3, 2019 8:58:40 GMT -6
I noticed the Pro version has V2 and non-linear algorithms. I have the basic version, am I missing much?
I don't worry a lot about not having 200 more presets. There are enough presets there already to do what I need, (I think)
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Post by Omicron9 on Dec 3, 2019 9:51:03 GMT -6
Jesus Wiz no one claimed it's the M7 but it's the next best thing you can buy in plug in land. I also ABd the BM7 against 7th H. And everybody in the studio came to the conclusion that the plug in sounds wonderful for what it is, and it's not the BM7. It's important to mention that no fake room at all still is king. You know, i am offended by this. Sometimes I wonder why I bother, to go to the trouble of downloading something that is being spruked as this is against the Hardware ..... which costs thousands, which I own and take the trouble to test ... and i was in the process of running off those test... whats the point. I figured people might like to hear the thoughts of someone who actually owns and has used the gear for a few years.... against hyperbole from people who probably have never even seen the real deal. don't worry I shall not make the mistake again Out Wiz Wiz, FWIW, i very much enjoyed your post. I have an M7 (and yeah, nothing sounds like it), and am always curious/interested in the current state of 'verb plugins. I doubt that I was the only one that enjoyed your post and found it informative. Regards (with a 2.8 second tail), -09
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 3, 2019 10:41:44 GMT -6
I noticed the Pro version has V2 and non-linear algorithms. I have the basic version, am I missing much? I don't worry a lot about not having 200 more presets. There are enough presets there already to do what I need, (I think)
I hate gear with a million choices....too much space to not make a commitment and not second guessing it.
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Post by Omicron9 on Dec 3, 2019 12:48:22 GMT -6
To make things more confusing.... Here is Slate's Verbsuite Classics (Powered by LiquidSonics) Sunset Chambers setting as well. I left everything set at 0. I did have to level match it a bit as that reverb plugin is hot. I also included the FG-6000 (TC Electronix TC6000) 6k Big Vocal Plate preset, which is what I actually used when I mixed the song.
Very nice performance, Vincent; thanks for sharing it.
Rather OT: What kind of mic boom/stand is that?
Regards, -09
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 3, 2019 12:56:42 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 5, 2019 7:09:55 GMT -6
Nice coupon surprise !
btw if you have multiple plugs in already and request the coupons from the LS site, to get the LS discount: each coupon discount can be applied, cumulatively against your next purchase and still based on the BF price discount to begin with: set (Thx Matt)
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