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Post by tasteliketape on Jun 18, 2019 6:17:44 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Jun 18, 2019 6:23:30 GMT -6
I'm thinking about upgrading from PT10 to PT11
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Post by tasteliketape on Jun 18, 2019 6:26:26 GMT -6
I’m on 12 8.1 and no need to take it any further
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 18, 2019 6:34:28 GMT -6
I bailed due to avid pricing a while back and went to logic, no regrets!
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 18, 2019 7:16:56 GMT -6
Wait - let me get this straight. They’re wanting to increase my subscription 100% for this piece of shit update they just gave me? Bwahaaa. I’m done. Just not going to conduct business this way.
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Post by guitfiddler on Jun 18, 2019 7:21:13 GMT -6
Check out Studio One Pro 4.5. I’ve had free updates since Studio One 3. When they update they are substantial great deals for free!
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Post by mikec on Jun 18, 2019 7:24:03 GMT -6
I bailed due to avid pricing a while back and went to logic, no regrets! That's good to hear Kcat. I know there are others here that also use and are happy with Logic. I've been a long time Pro Tools user and even though $99 per year seemed high for what Avid has been delivering I stayed a loyal user. It looks the last annual maintenance fee I paid will be my last to Avid. I started mixing a project last week with the latest Logic software and now I am wondering why it has taken me this long to make a switch. Logic does everything I need and I don't get charged every year to fix bugs. As a bonus I found Logic also integrates much better than Pro Tools with my Symphony MKII and with my Komplete Kontrol S61 MKII. We are lucky that there are so many great choices now in the DAW world. I still really like the Pro Tools workflow, but I'm not too old to learn new tricks.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 18, 2019 7:35:19 GMT -6
Check out Studio One Pro 4.5. I’ve had free updates since Studio One 3. When they update they are substantial great deals for free! If I change it will be one I already have and know...either Cubase or Logic.
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Post by svart on Jun 18, 2019 7:37:21 GMT -6
Just sitting here using the same Reaper install I've had on the same license for like 3-4 years now..
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Post by lpedrum on Jun 18, 2019 7:56:37 GMT -6
From Pro Tools, "As many of you know, the entire technology industry is going through a major shift from perpetual licenses to a new business model focused on subscription." That's simply not a factual statement. Yes, some in the technology industry are hoping to make everything subscription based and I can understand the financial allure to do so. But to my knowledge NO other DAW is yet subscription based. Am I wrong on that? In addition, a few of the major software plug in companies such as Slate offer subscriptions, but he still allows single purchases. I've never been a Pro Tools fan and have happily used Cubase for decades. Part of me wishes that Avid would crash and burn to level the DAW playing field, doing away with once and for all the perceived nonsense that Protools is the only real choice for professionals. This latest move by Avid strikes me more as a subscription based protection racket.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 18, 2019 8:02:57 GMT -6
Logic keeps coming up with excellent updates for free. Of course they'll eventually redo it and charge for it, but I've used it for eight years and paid only $200 the first time. The only negative thing I can say regarding Logic is if you need heavy vocal tuning, buy a plug-in. Logic's Flex Pitch is iffy. Their free plug-ins sound at least as good as Waves, and I think better most of the time. So there's some really useful things built right in. Automation works well.
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Post by Omicron9 on Jun 18, 2019 8:03:10 GMT -6
Just sitting here using the same Reaper install I've had on the same license for like 3-4 years now.. This. ^
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Post by svart on Jun 18, 2019 8:05:46 GMT -6
From Pro Tools, " As many of you know, the entire technology industry is going through a major shift from perpetual licenses to a new business model focused on subscription." That's simply not a factual statement. Yes, some in the technology industry are hoping to make everything subscription based and I can understand the financial allure to do so. But to my knowledge NO other DAW is yet subscription based. Am I wrong on that? In addition, a few of the major software plug in companies such as Slate offer subscriptions, but he still allows single purchases. I've never been a Pro Tools fan and have happily used Cubase for decades. Part of me wishes that Avid would crash and burn to level the DAW playing field, doing away with once and for all the perceived nonsense that Protools is the only real choice for professionals. This latest move by Avid strikes me more as a subscription based protection racket. I don't know, but I can tell you that the professional software world is definitely headed in that direction overall. Most of the software I use in my day job has moved to either a cloud-based pay-to-play or yearly renewal schemes. Most of the "Terms" and "EULAs" for the remaining software that you can still purchase outright are now saying that you're essentially leasing the software on forever leases, which means you don't really own the copy you purchased either.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 18, 2019 8:21:33 GMT -6
As apple subsidizes logic I just don't see subscription happening there. I get what I need done in logic and it works well: all I need!
I tried studio one but didn't see the point of learning another daw when Logic was working fine for me.
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Post by mikec on Jun 18, 2019 8:24:39 GMT -6
Logic keeps coming up with excellent updates for free. Of course they'll eventually redo it and charge for it, but I've used it for eight years and paid only $200 the first time. The only negative thing I can say regarding Logic is if you need heavy vocal tuning, buy a plug-in. Logic's Flex Pitch is iffy. Their free plug-ins sound at least as good as Waves, and I think better most of the time. So there's some really useful things built right in. Automation works well. After having Logic on my computers for years and messing with it a little every once in a while, now that I've really dug into it, I am finding a lot of things that I now wonder, "why doesn't pro tools do this". Using hardware inserts for example, I find the I/O plugin with Logic much more advanced than pro tools. I hate that with pro tools you need to use a 1:1 I/O on your interface, ie: out 1 has to go back to in 1. With Logic's I/O plug I can go out any channel on my interface and back in on any channel, they don't have to be a 1:1 match. I also like that I can adjust the input and output signal level in the I/O plug to easily control how much signal is going into and out of the hardware.
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Post by lpedrum on Jun 18, 2019 8:31:34 GMT -6
From Pro Tools, " As many of you know, the entire technology industry is going through a major shift from perpetual licenses to a new business model focused on subscription." That's simply not a factual statement. Yes, some in the technology industry are hoping to make everything subscription based and I can understand the financial allure to do so. But to my knowledge NO other DAW is yet subscription based. Am I wrong on that? In addition, a few of the major software plug in companies such as Slate offer subscriptions, but he still allows single purchases. I've never been a Pro Tools fan and have happily used Cubase for decades. Part of me wishes that Avid would crash and burn to level the DAW playing field, doing away with once and for all the perceived nonsense that Protools is the only real choice for professionals. This latest move by Avid strikes me more as a subscription based protection racket. I don't know, but I can tell you that the professional software world is definitely headed in that direction overall. Most of the software I use in my day job has moved to either a cloud-based pay-to-play or yearly renewal schemes. Most of the "Terms" and "EULAs" for the remaining software that you can still purchase outright are now saying that you're essentially leasing the software on forever leases, which means you don't really own the copy you purchased either. I get your point. But to say that "the entire technology industry" is going subscription-based when most DAWs are not is factually wrong. Avid wishing it was true does not make it so.
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Post by svart on Jun 18, 2019 8:35:47 GMT -6
I don't know, but I can tell you that the professional software world is definitely headed in that direction overall. Most of the software I use in my day job has moved to either a cloud-based pay-to-play or yearly renewal schemes. Most of the "Terms" and "EULAs" for the remaining software that you can still purchase outright are now saying that you're essentially leasing the software on forever leases, which means you don't really own the copy you purchased either. I get your point. But to say that "the entire technology industry" is going subscription-based when most DAWs are not is factually wrong. Avid wishing it was true does not make it so. I'm not saying that the pro audio industry is already doing it, I'm saying that even though the pro-audio industry isn't currently doing it, other industries have done it in the last 5 years or so and I'll expect that the pro-audio industry will soon adopt it. Maybe 5 years or so.
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Post by marylin on Jun 18, 2019 8:41:03 GMT -6
Just sitting here using the same Reaper install I've had on the same license for like 3-4 years now.. This. ^ Happy Reaper user here...
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Post by Tbone81 on Jun 18, 2019 8:56:30 GMT -6
Happy Cubase user here, but I do have and use Pro Tools for tracking alot because I freelance at different places. I took a look at the pricing...after about 15 seconds I realized I'd need the goddamn rosetta stone to decipher it all...so yeah...looks like I won't be renewing my PT copy, ever.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 18, 2019 9:15:13 GMT -6
Im happy. HDX is cheaper!
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 18, 2019 9:26:17 GMT -6
Logic keeps coming up with excellent updates for free. Of course they'll eventually redo it and charge for it, but I've used it for eight years and paid only $200 the first time. The only negative thing I can say regarding Logic is if you need heavy vocal tuning, buy a plug-in. Logic's Flex Pitch is iffy. Their free plug-ins sound at least as good as Waves, and I think better most of the time. So there's some really useful things built right in. Automation works well. After having Logic on my computers for years and messing with it a little every once in a while, now that I've really dug into it, I am finding a lot of things that I now wonder, "why doesn't pro tools do this". Using hardware inserts for example, I find the I/O plugin with Logic much more advanced than pro tools. I hate that with pro tools you need to use a 1:1 I/O on your interface, ie: out 1 has to go back to in 1. With Logic's I/O plug I can go out any channel on my interface and back in on any channel, they don't have to be a 1:1 match. I also like that I can adjust the input and output signal level in the I/O plug to easily control how much signal is going into and out of the hardware. Wha?!? That’s brilliant! Man, that sounds handy as hell.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 18, 2019 9:37:25 GMT -6
I can’t deal with the way reaper looks. Sorry.
I’d like to learn Logic more seamlessly - I’m slow on it...guess the only thing that would fix that is to just commit to it. Or just do everything in Cubase.
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Post by drbill on Jun 18, 2019 9:40:46 GMT -6
Sucks that Avid is doing this, but I'm in for the duration. I'll just have to suck it up. No other DAW will suit me at this point but PT. Not logic, cubase, reaper, ugh.... Can't imagine changing it up at this point.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 18, 2019 9:41:43 GMT -6
I also just got tracks from a Cubase user and had to mix in PT. It was a complete pain in the ass to have to import all his damn wav files and then change names because they all started with the damn name of the song.
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Post by drbill on Jun 18, 2019 9:53:08 GMT -6
I also just got tracks from a Cubase user and had to mix in PT. It was a complete pain in the ass to have to import all his damn wav files and then change names because they all started with the damn name of the song. John - open his wav file folder, select all wav files that start with the song name, right click, select "rename "xxx" items - xxx being the number of wav files, find - enter "name of song" and "replace with" - nothing - leave blank or put in - or boom, done.
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