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Post by ragan on Jun 18, 2019 12:12:25 GMT -6
Nothing edits like PT. Nothing..... Says the guy who’s only used Pro Tools for like 25 years.  I fear you’re right though. |
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Post by lpedrum on Jun 18, 2019 12:16:12 GMT -6
Of course Avid waits till just after the big Cubase sale to announce the Gouge Enhancement. The servers that handle Logic and Cubase demos are gonna be working up a nice sweat. Those who have used both, Logic or Cubase? I like to slice and dice things and send them all over the place so...editing, routing, grouping? Which is better? I don't have Logic, but Cubase works for me with all that. As mentioned earlier, the comp/lanes tool is really great. And being able to cut and slice waveforms was in Cubase way before Pro Tools I'm told. The only friends of mine that are adamantly Pro Tools are those that have been in it for many years and can't fathom an alternative. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 18, 2019 12:17:06 GMT -6
Nothing edits like PT. Nothing..... Soooo not true. PT doesn't do 3 or 4 point editing. Pyramix is by far the best editor I've ever used. |
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Post by Bender on Jun 18, 2019 12:18:25 GMT -6
Of course Avid waits till just after the big Cubase sale to announce the Gouge Enhancement. The servers that handle Logic and Cubase demos are gonna be working up a nice sweat. Those who have used both, Logic or Cubase? I like to slice and dice things and send them all over the place so...editing, routing, grouping? Which is better? Editing in Cubase these days- especially with the multi-lanes open for multiple takes/comping blows logic and PT out of the water for speed and ease IME |
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Post by lpedrum on Jun 18, 2019 12:19:26 GMT -6
Nothing edits like PT. Nothing..... Unless you're really good at editing in another DAW. I love 99% of your posts Bill, but its this kind of Pro Tools arrogance by Avid and it's long time users that bugs me. I should learn to let it go and move on. I'm happily creating wonderful music on Cubase as we speak and my clients never ask what DAW I'm using. They just love what they hear. |
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Post by drbill on Jun 18, 2019 12:29:27 GMT -6
Nothing edits like PT. Nothing..... Says the guy who’s only used Pro Tools for like 25 years. I fear you’re right though. I could be wrong, but I don't thing so. The guys who REALLY earn their $$$$ (dialog editors, SFX editors, etc.) are still firmly entrenched in PT. If they could use something else and be just as fast or faster, they would certainly be doing it. |
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Post by drbill on Jun 18, 2019 12:30:18 GMT -6
Nothing edits like PT. Nothing..... Soooo not true. PT doesn't do 3 or 4 point editing. Pyramix is by far the best editor I've ever used. You may be right there. But how many people are using Pyramix. I don't even know what that is. LOL |
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Post by drbill on Jun 18, 2019 12:33:07 GMT -6
Nothing edits like PT. Nothing..... Unless you're really good at editing in another DAW. I love 99% of your posts Bill, but its this kind of Pro Tools arrogance by Avid and it's long time users that bugs me. I should learn to let it go and move on. I'm happily creating wonderful music on Cubase as we speak and my clients never ask what DAW I'm using. They just love what they hear. Haha! I've got to have at least 1% wrong, right?? Perhaps you misunderstood or I didn't communicate well.... ?? My comment was nothing edits like PT. Not that nothing might be BETTER or FASTER than PT. And I think I'm right on that point. I've never SEEN anyone edit in Cubase as fast as the PT guys, but again, I could be completely wrong cause I've been looking in the wrong places. One thing is certain, it's not exactly like PT, and since I know PT like the back of my hand, it's not as good for me. There's ZERO doubt that wonderful music can be created in ANY DAW. Pick your poison and get on with it!!! <thumbsup> That's the #1 reason I'll be stuck in PT for the duration. No time to learn another DAW and get up to the speed I'm at in PT. To busy making music to slow things down and learn another DAW. IF there is another DAW that will operate exactly like PT, look like PT, and work with PT hardware, someone please let me know, cause I'm not enamored with AVID. I hate em. I just need my DAW to work like PT and be as stable as PT.I'm pretty sure there is not though.... So....off to bed with Avid..... |
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Post by ragan on Jun 18, 2019 12:37:49 GMT -6
Says the guy who’s only used Pro Tools for like 25 years. I fear you’re right though. I could be wrong, but I don't thing so. The guys who REALLY earn their $$$$ (dialog editors, SFX editors, etc.) are still firmly entrenched in PT. If they could use something else and be just as fast or faster, they would certainly be doing it. I don’t actually find that to be a compelling argument, personally. I think it’s at least as much of an argument for the opposite. People who have been doing it a long time are way less likely to try any of the newer DAWs. Why would they? If they’ve got deadlines to meet, they can’t go disrupting that. It’s their bread and butter. And they’re also way more likely to be sharing sessions around with other audio people. Who’ve also been doing it a long time and have the same disincentive to try anything else. So the old standard PT stays entrenched, regardless of comparative merit. I mean, it could still happen to be the best thing out there. But the systematic pressures are functioning to keep it in place as the standard whether it is or not. And Avid is sure banking on that while trying to fight off its financial woes. |
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Post by drbill on Jun 18, 2019 12:39:20 GMT -6
I could be wrong, but I don't thing so. The guys who REALLY earn their $$$$ (dialog editors, SFX editors, etc.) are still firmly entrenched in PT. If they could use something else and be just as fast or faster, they would certainly be doing it. I don’t actually find that to be a compelling argument, personally. I think it’s at least as much of an argument for the opposite. People who have been doing it a long time are way less likely to try any of the newer DAWs. Why would they? If they’ve got deadlines to meet, they can’t go disrupting that. It’s their bread and butter. And they’re also way more likely to be sharing sessions around with other audio people. Who’ve also been doing it a long time and have the same disincentive to try anything else. So the old standard PT stays entrenched, regardless of comparative merit. I mean, it could still happen to be the best thing out there. But the systematic pressures are functioning to keep it in place as the standard whether it is or not. And Avid is sure banking on that while trying to fight off its financial woes. i think you just made my other point. Why change when what you have is working. I could care less if it's a "standard" or not. |
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Post by ragan on Jun 18, 2019 12:41:33 GMT -6
I don’t actually find that to be a compelling argument, personally. I think it’s at least as much of an argument for the opposite. People who have been doing it a long time are way less likely to try any of the newer DAWs. Why would they? If they’ve got deadlines to meet, they can’t go disrupting that. It’s their bread and butter. And they’re also way more likely to be sharing sessions around with other audio people. Who’ve also been doing it a long time and have the same disincentive to try anything else. So the old standard PT stays entrenched, regardless of comparative merit. I mean, it could still happen to be the best thing out there. But the systematic pressures are functioning to keep it in place as the standard whether it is or not. And Avid is sure banking on that while trying to fight off its financial woes. i think you just made my other point. Why change when what you have is working. I could care less if it's a "standard" or not. You made the case that, if anything else was as good or better, pros would have abandoned Avid and migrated to that. I was pointing out why I think that’s not true. |
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Post by ragan on Jun 18, 2019 12:42:27 GMT -6
But yes, absolutely if you’re ok with what Avid pricing, then yeah. Why change? A huge pain in the ass.
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Post by drbill on Jun 18, 2019 12:47:13 GMT -6
But yes, absolutely if you’re ok with what Avid pricing, then yeah. Why change? A huge pain in the ass. I'm not OK with it, but weighing the options, why bother to change. The amount of time lost will unfortunately be worse than paying AVID's extortion pricing. They've got us HDX users by the balls and they know it. I'm still open to another DAW if it's as powerful, stable, looks, works and feels like PT HDX, but no one has offered a suggestion yet. I fear because there IS no other DAW that can step up to those requirements. Cubase probably comes the closest. (Guessing) To go back to a native based system would be like turning in a porsche for an entry level kia. Not going to happen here.... |
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Post by drbill on Jun 18, 2019 12:51:49 GMT -6
ALL DAW's will get you to from point A to point B.
It's in how you get there that the details come into play.
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Post by ragan on Jun 18, 2019 12:52:30 GMT -6
But yes, absolutely if you’re ok with what Avid pricing, then yeah. Why change? A huge pain in the ass. I'm not OK with it, but weighing the options, why bother to change. The amount of time lost will unfortunately be worse than paying AVID's extortion pricing. They've got us HDX users by the balls and they know it. I'm still open to another DAW if it's as powerful, stable, looks, works and feels like PT, but no one has offered a suggestion yet. I fear because there IS no other DAW that can step up to those requirements. Cubase probably comes the closest. (Guessing) To go back to a native based system would be like turning in a porsche for an entry level kia. Not going to happen here.... Reminds me of this. www.theonion.com/nation-s-cable-companies-announce-they-re-just-going-to-1819576602/amp |
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Post by drbill on Jun 18, 2019 12:58:18 GMT -6
how does that work. LOL
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jun 18, 2019 12:58:36 GMT -6
^^ This +1. Had a lot of potential otherwise but couldn't deal with the UI. Still have a license though and that's cool. Reaper has many skins you can apply for free. Even skins that look like PT or Logic. So, you can make it look however you want. And the customizing options are near endless. -09 Yes, I tried many skins, including the PT one. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 18, 2019 13:10:47 GMT -6
Soooo not true. PT doesn't do 3 or 4 point editing. Pyramix is by far the best editor I've ever used. You may be right there. But how many people are using Pyramix. I don't even know what that is. LOL haha well...its stupid pricey. So thats the main reason why most don't have it. Still its fairly popular in the classical world. For me, Im editing pieces that are 3-45min long with up to 23channels per take. As in like 1-3 muscians all in the same room style of editing, not comping or isolated stuff. You get up to 400 takes in a session. So now I have 13 hours or audio in a linear session. Playlists don't work very well as tempos are always a bit different. With 3 point editing I can super fast go from take 2 to take 347 and grab 1 bar..or 1 note, or 20 bars whatever and plop it right were I want it. The fade editor is insanely powerful. Plus if you go back and change a fade or add in a new take that slightly longer or shorter, none of the edits behind it change as the whole project auto ripples down. I'd love it if PT did that.. Don't get me wrong, I edit fast in PT as well. But there are a thousand ways to skin a cat....or edit audio  haha The DSP systems though are few and far between which is a game changer though.. |
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Post by jampa on Jun 18, 2019 14:18:50 GMT -6
Personally I found Pro Tools unreliable as a DAW. In order to get "reliability" I had to get the latest version, which I had to pay for and/or upgrade my OS for. And the latest versions kept coming, and the reliability never came (for me), and they kept asking for more money for it (reliability). Quite literally, I stopped buying it. I like a lot of things about Pro Tools but I need reliability from my setup. I reckon they're changing the pricing because they had to fix that latency bug John Kenn found |
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Post by ragan on Jun 18, 2019 14:22:43 GMT -6
Personally I found Pro Tools unreliable as a DAW. In order to get "reliability" I had to get the latest version, which I had to pay for and/or upgrade my OS for. And the latest versions kept coming, and the reliability never came (for me), and they kept asking for more money for it (reliability). Quite literally, I stopped buying it. I like a lot of things about Pro Tools but I need reliability from my setup. I reckon they're changing the pricing because they had to fix that latency bug John Kenn found What’d you switch to? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 18, 2019 15:15:07 GMT -6
Says the guy who’s only used Pro Tools for like 25 years. I fear you’re right though. I could be wrong, but I don't thing so. The guys who REALLY earn their $$$$ (dialog editors, SFX editors, etc.) are still firmly entrenched in PT. If they could use something else and be just as fast or faster, they would certainly be doing it. Doubling down. |
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Post by subspace on Jun 18, 2019 15:24:43 GMT -6
Paid the $99 upgrade from PT9 to a PT10, 11 & 12 license in 2015 then let it lapse. Last licensed version is PT12.6 which I’m running on Sierra.
New Logic version is out, first one that requires High Sierra or above so I’m at the PT/Logic crossroads. Avid is making this easy, freeze the Sierra/PT12 partition in time and move into the future on a new Mojave/Logic partition being the free, painless option.
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Post by 000 on Jun 18, 2019 15:33:24 GMT -6
Just so I understand this correctly (and I apologize for my ignorance) but as long as you purchase a perpetual license and it’s stable on your system then you DO NOT have to pay upgrade fees? It’s only if you want the latest version correct?
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Post by tasteliketape on Jun 18, 2019 15:38:39 GMT -6
Just so I understand this correctly (and I apologize for my ignorance) but as long as you purchase a perpetual license and it’s stable on your system then you DO NOT have to pay upgrade fees? It’s only if you want the latest version correct? Right pay only if you want a current update |
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Post by seawell on Jun 18, 2019 16:27:47 GMT -6
I made a real effort to switch to Logic once and Studio One another time. Neither went well...at all. I’ve been a Pro Tools user for nearly 20 years now so unfortunately I’m just going to have to keep loving the one I’m with 😂
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haha 
