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Post by jampa on Jun 18, 2019 16:38:07 GMT -6
REAPER (primary) and Logic (secondary - songwriting/arranging)
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 18, 2019 17:24:45 GMT -6
Just so I understand this correctly (and I apologize for my ignorance) but as long as you purchase a perpetual license and it’s stable on your system then you DO NOT have to pay upgrade fees? It’s only if you want the latest version correct? Right pay only if you want a current update But if you let your subscription lapse, you have to pay full price, right?
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Post by tasteliketape on Jun 18, 2019 17:38:11 GMT -6
Right pay only if you want a current update But if you let your subscription lapse, you have to pay full price, right? That’s correct. Again I’m on 12.8.1 and don’t feel I’ve missed anything by not renewing my subscription. Or if they do come out after 4 years with something it would have cost the same as paying for the minor updates along the way . If it’s longer then I saved some cash
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Post by rowmat on Jun 18, 2019 17:41:22 GMT -6
We dumped our early version of Protools when we looked at the cost of upgrading. Went to Reaper and haven’t looked back.
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Post by sirthought on Jun 19, 2019 4:52:51 GMT -6
I was a Cubaser years ago. It was fine, but when I switched to Mac Logic was much more affordable. Man, it's just as good as Cubase and I think I like the appearance better. It's been a good tool for me.
The whole PT is better for editing is so overblown. It might take you a week at most to get over any differences. I say get on with it and move on in life. I know I've gotten three big Logic updates without paying anything new...and useful functionality was added.
Reaper, to my knowledge, is fully editable in appearance and function. I think it's more complicated than many others because they give you so many more choices. But once you set it up right, you're probably golden! Reaper is affordable and they send updates regularly.
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Post by hio on Jun 19, 2019 5:07:21 GMT -6
I don't know, but I can tell you that the professional software world is definitely headed in that direction overall. Most of the software I use in my day job has moved to either a cloud-based pay-to-play or yearly renewal schemes. Most of the "Terms" and "EULAs" for the remaining software that you can still purchase outright are now saying that you're essentially leasing the software on forever leases, which means you don't really own the copy you purchased either. I get your point. But to say that "the entire technology industry" is going subscription-based when most DAWs are not is factually wrong. Avid wishing it was true does not make it so. Sounds like the U.S. DIC (dicktator in chief)
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Post by hio on Jun 19, 2019 6:09:51 GMT -6
I was a Cubaser years ago. It was fine, but when I switched to Mac Logic was much more affordable. Man, it's just as good as Cubase and I think I like the appearance better. It's been a good tool for me. The whole PT is better for editing is so overblown. It might take you a week at most to get over any differences. I say get on with it and move on in life. I know I've gotten three big Logic updates without paying anything new...and useful functionality was added. Reaper, to my knowledge, is fully editable in appearance and function. I think it's more complicated than many others because they give you so many more choices. But once you set it up right, you're probably golden! Reaper is affordable and they send updates regularly. I am no braniac by any stretch of the means but I can do most anything in Reaper along with using custom actions and there are many thousands and if you cannot find one which would be odd you could always write a script. I bought an X-Touch controller recently for around $384.00 and built like a tank with mostly a steel chasis and while using it with Reaper it is a most beautiful pairing. tinyurl.com/y2g8uvhyLogic works perfectly right out of the box but Reaper needed a few tweaks to get all of the 92 soft keys doing stuff but most of the controls were working right out of the gate in about three minutes. I have created so many custom actions it is silly but Reaper is extremely powerful and I cannot imagine any DAW coming close to the workflow I currently have plus it never crashes along with the lowest *latencies* in the business. Try it for a couple of days and just search on the thousands of videos if you get stumped on something. It is also refreshing in this day and age to have developers doing business with righteous philosophies. Sorry if someone has said all of this, I haven't had the time to read through this entire thread. Your friend, Here In Oregon
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jun 19, 2019 6:28:37 GMT -6
I roll on a perpetual and upgrade when I think it’s needed and WELL after any bugs are worked out. It’s how I make my living so I have no problem paying for it. I’m on 12 and have no reason to upgrade to ultimate at the moment. Not having the new updates isn’t keeping me from working.
I can honestly say I’ve never had a problem on hdx or vanilla. 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 19, 2019 14:20:53 GMT -6
I could be wrong, but I don't thing so. The guys who REALLY earn their $$$$ (dialog editors, SFX editors, etc.) are still firmly entrenched in PT. If they could use something else and be just as fast or faster, they would certainly be doing it. A surprising percentage are also still running G5s. I'm sure Avid's problem is that people are not updating their systems and there probably aren't enough new users to support ongoing development. Adobe no-doubt saw the same problem which was why they went all rental. The media production market is saturated. Decade old systems get the job done just as well as new ones. Corporate users are also in favor of rental because it can be written off with no bookkeeping.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jun 19, 2019 16:15:59 GMT -6
I could be wrong, but I don't thing so. The guys who REALLY earn their $$$$ (dialog editors, SFX editors, etc.) are still firmly entrenched in PT. If they could use something else and be just as fast or faster, they would certainly be doing it. A surprising percentage are also still running G5s. I'm sure Avid's problem is that people are not updating their systems and there probably aren't enough new users to support ongoing development. Adobe no-doubt saw the same problem which was why they went all rental. The media production market is saturated. Decade old systems get the job done just as well as new ones. Corporate users are also in favor of rental because it can be written off with no bookkeeping. Exactly. It's not a capital expenditure for businesses, either, so no depreciation or recapture to deal with.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 19, 2019 23:20:39 GMT -6
2019.5 is trash. Just had another crash and lost all my presets. Hopefully there will be a stable 2019 version - then I’m done.
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Post by junior on Jun 20, 2019 4:57:29 GMT -6
Yikes! So glad I didn't renew at the beginning of the year. I'll stick with Reaper for most things
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jun 20, 2019 5:27:35 GMT -6
2019.5 is trash. Just had another crash and lost all my presets. Hopefully there will be a stable 2019 version - then I’m done. That’s a bummer John. Have you noticed any patterns of when it crashes? Posssibly when the system hits a certain limit or when you use a certain combination of plugins or hardware inserts or something? Or is it just straight up random?
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Post by shoe on Jun 20, 2019 7:13:53 GMT -6
So, I've been using Cakewalk/Sonar for the past...25 years or so. I was considering trying Pro Tools but this is making me not want to...
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Post by Omicron9 on Jun 20, 2019 7:42:03 GMT -6
So what's the easiest to learn DAW for someone who is coming from Pro Tools? I'm just so damn fast on Pro Tools that any other DAW is going to be frustrating to use. I think I remember Logic having a Pro Tools mode or something where all the quick keys were the same as Pro Tools. Any other DAWs having something like that? I won't have a need to upgrade my Pro Tools until I upgrade my computer and therefore have to upgrade my OS. So I think I have a few years to learn a new DAW. In Reaper, you can set up any quick keys you want; entirely customizable. You can also set up macros. It's almost "if you can imagine it, you can do it" in Reaper. -09
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Post by Omicron9 on Jun 20, 2019 7:51:34 GMT -6
I was a Cubaser years ago. It was fine, but when I switched to Mac Logic was much more affordable. Man, it's just as good as Cubase and I think I like the appearance better. It's been a good tool for me. The whole PT is better for editing is so overblown. It might take you a week at most to get over any differences. I say get on with it and move on in life. I know I've gotten three big Logic updates without paying anything new...and useful functionality was added. Reaper, to my knowledge, is fully editable in appearance and function. I think it's more complicated than many others because they give you so many more choices. But once you set it up right, you're probably golden! Reaper is affordable and they send updates regularly. I am no braniac by any stretch of the means but I can do most anything in Reaper along with using custom actions and there are many thousands and if you cannot find one which would be odd you could always write a script. I bought an X-Touch controller recently for around $384.00 and built like a tank with mostly a steel chasis and while using it with Reaper it is a most beautiful pairing. tinyurl.com/y2g8uvhyLogic works perfectly right out of the box but Reaper needed a few tweaks to get all of the 92 soft keys doing stuff but most of the controls were working right out of the gate in about three minutes. I have created so many custom actions it is silly but Reaper is extremely powerful and I cannot imagine any DAW coming close to the workflow I currently have plus it never crashes along with the lowest *latencies* in the business. Try it for a couple of days and just search on the thousands of videos if you get stumped on something. It is also refreshing in this day and age to have developers doing business with righteous philosophies. Sorry if someone has said all of this, I haven't had the time to read through this entire thread. Your friend, Here In Oregon Same here. Longtime Logic user and I migrated to Reaper; love it. Also using the X-Touch and as anti-Behringer as I am, I have to admit they may well have gotten it right with this one. Great integration with Reaper.
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Post by svart on Jun 20, 2019 8:21:53 GMT -6
I am no braniac by any stretch of the means but I can do most anything in Reaper along with using custom actions and there are many thousands and if you cannot find one which would be odd you could always write a script. I bought an X-Touch controller recently for around $384.00 and built like a tank with mostly a steel chasis and while using it with Reaper it is a most beautiful pairing. tinyurl.com/y2g8uvhyLogic works perfectly right out of the box but Reaper needed a few tweaks to get all of the 92 soft keys doing stuff but most of the controls were working right out of the gate in about three minutes. I have created so many custom actions it is silly but Reaper is extremely powerful and I cannot imagine any DAW coming close to the workflow I currently have plus it never crashes along with the lowest *latencies* in the business. Try it for a couple of days and just search on the thousands of videos if you get stumped on something. It is also refreshing in this day and age to have developers doing business with righteous philosophies. Sorry if someone has said all of this, I haven't had the time to read through this entire thread. Your friend, Here In Oregon Same here. Longtime Logic user and I migrated to Reaper; love it. Also using the X-Touch and as anti-Behringer as I am, I have to admit they may well have gotten it right with this one. Great integration with Reaper. I have used a bunch of DAWs. Started with N-Track, went to Reaper, went to PT, went back to Reaper, went to Nuendo, went back to Reaper, went to Cubase (before merging with Nuendo), went back to Reaper.. Use modern Cubendo occasionally when working with a couple different artists but personally staying on Reaper forever. I started using reaper during the original beta.. Upgraded to Reaper 2.0, then eventually to 4.something, and might upgrade to 6.0 once it comes out. The only crashes I've had with it are when using it with Melodyne.. But then again the forums are full of different DAWs crashing with Melodyne.
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Post by drbill on Jun 20, 2019 9:21:42 GMT -6
2019.5 is trash. Just had another crash and lost all my presets. Hopefully there will be a stable 2019 version - then I’m done. Wild. Everyone Iv'e heard from has said it's the most solid version in quite awhile. Although they say you don't have to, some have had to do completely uninstalls first before installing.
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Post by deehope on Jun 20, 2019 9:28:55 GMT -6
I can’t deal with the way reaper looks. Sorry. I’d like to learn Logic more seamlessly - I’m slow on it...guess the only thing that would fix that is to just commit to it. Or just do everything in Cubase. the best part of reaper is that you can make it look and act like your dawg of choice. I can't stand the default look either.
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Post by brenta on Jun 20, 2019 9:31:24 GMT -6
2019.5 is trash. Just had another crash and lost all my presets. Hopefully there will be a stable 2019 version - then I’m done. That’s the thing with Pro Tools, the updated versions are often less stable on some systems than the old versions, so why pay the monthly fee for support and updates? You kinda need to find a version that is stable on your system then go as long as you can without upgrading.
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Post by hio on Jun 20, 2019 16:54:16 GMT -6
I can’t deal with the way reaper looks. Sorry. I’d like to learn Logic more seamlessly - I’m slow on it...guess the only thing that would fix that is to just commit to it. Or just do everything in Cubase. the best part of reaper is that you can make it look and act like your dawg of choice. I can't stand the default look either. The default grows on you and is easy on the eyes but there are some really beautiful themes you can look at all day and night when working 😜 There is also a Pro Fool's theme and I promise your client will think you are in Pro Tools There is a Logic theme as well This one looks good www.houseofwhitetie.com/reaper/imperial/wt_imperial.html
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Post by Quint on Jun 20, 2019 17:23:19 GMT -6
There is also an Apollo Console theme, which looks a lot like Console.
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Post by ragan on Jun 20, 2019 17:49:57 GMT -6
I've actually always been a little jealous of Reaper precisely because of it's appearance. I saw a Quad Eight skin once that was gorgeous. I'd love to look at that vs Pro Tools' eternally 90s-digital aesthetic.
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Post by Quint on Jun 20, 2019 17:53:21 GMT -6
I've actually always been a little jealous of Reaper precisely because of it's appearance. I saw a Quad Eight skin once that was gorgeous. I'd love to look at that vs Pro Tools' eternally 90s-digital aesthetic. Interesting. I'm going to have to look that up.
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Post by Omicron9 on Jun 21, 2019 8:46:19 GMT -6
the best part of reaper is that you can make it look and act like your dawg of choice. I can't stand the default look either. The default grows on you and is easy on the eyes but there are some really beautiful themes you can look at all day and night when working 😜 There is also a Pro Fool's theme and I promise your client will think you are in Pro Tools There is a Logic theme as well This one looks good www.houseofwhitetie.com/reaper/imperial/wt_imperial.htmlThe Imperial theme is quite nice. I tried various themes, but after trying a few (and none of them looked bad), I found that I actually liked the default theme. At least for tracking, which is what I do. -09
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