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Post by mikec on Jun 18, 2019 9:54:24 GMT -6
After having Logic on my computers for years and messing with it a little every once in a while, now that I've really dug into it, I am finding a lot of things that I now wonder, "why doesn't pro tools do this". Using hardware inserts for example, I find the I/O plugin with Logic much more advanced than pro tools. I hate that with pro tools you need to use a 1:1 I/O on your interface, ie: out 1 has to go back to in 1. With Logic's I/O plug I can go out any channel on my interface and back in on any channel, they don't have to be a 1:1 match. I also like that I can adjust the input and output signal level in the I/O plug to easily control how much signal is going into and out of the hardware. Wha?!? That’s brilliant! Man, that sounds handy as hell. Yea, it's really great if you use an interface that has a different number of ins than outs. Since I use a Symphony with 2x6se and 16x16 cards, my ins and outs don't match up 1:1. With pro tools I have to go into the apogee control software to manipulate the I/O to trick pro tools in to thinking my I/O match up. Logic is much simpler in this respect.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 18, 2019 10:03:36 GMT -6
After having Logic on my computers for years and messing with it a little every once in a while, now that I've really dug into it, I am finding a lot of things that I now wonder, "why doesn't pro tools do this". Using hardware inserts for example, I find the I/O plugin with Logic much more advanced than pro tools. I hate that with pro tools you need to use a 1:1 I/O on your interface, ie: out 1 has to go back to in 1. With Logic's I/O plug I can go out any channel on my interface and back in on any channel, they don't have to be a 1:1 match. I also like that I can adjust the input and output signal level in the I/O plug to easily control how much signal is going into and out of the hardware. Wha?!? That’s brilliant! Man, that sounds handy as hell. Pryamix does this too. However does not have built in delay compensation...for some dumb reason. mikec does Logic's Hardware insert do delay compensation? or and least a ping and the math for you? And can you bypass it within the software? Pryamix does a bypass which is so nice I wish PT did that. I also just got tracks from a Cubase user and had to mix in PT. It was a complete pain in the ass to have to import all his damn wav files and then change names because they all started with the damn name of the song. John - open his wav file folder, select all wav files that start with the song name, right click, select "rename "xxx" items - xxx being the number of wav files, find - enter "name of song" and "replace with" - nothing - leave blank or put in - or boom, done. Yeah I use A Better Finder Rename 10 for stuff like that. It works amazing. Was $30 bucks and SOOO worth it.
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Post by drbill on Jun 18, 2019 10:07:47 GMT -6
Used to use that. But the Apple OS does it so easy now. Don't even give it another thought. Done in 10 seconds. <thumbsup> These are the kinds of things that computers SHOULD do easily and well. The mundane stupid stuff.
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Post by mikec on Jun 18, 2019 10:12:20 GMT -6
Wha?!? That’s brilliant! Man, that sounds handy as hell. Pryamix does this too. However does not have built in delay compensation...for some dumb reason. mikec does Logic's Hardware insert do delay compensation? or and least a ping and the math for you? And can you bypass it within the software? Pryamix does a bypass which is so nice I wish PT did that. John - open his wav file folder, select all wav files that start with the song name, right click, select "rename "xxx" items - xxx being the number of wav files, find - enter "name of song" and "replace with" - nothing - leave blank or put in - or boom, done. Yeah I use A Better Finder Rename 10 for stuff like that. It works amazing. Was $30 bucks and SOOO worth it. Blackdawg, yea Logic's I/O plugin has a ping button that will show you you how many samples it adjusted to and you can edit it from there if you choose.
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Post by ragan on Jun 18, 2019 10:17:56 GMT -6
I might switch. I dunno. Learning a new DAW....bleccccchhh
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Post by drbill on Jun 18, 2019 10:26:13 GMT -6
Pryamix does this too. However does not have built in delay compensation...for some dumb reason. mikec does Logic's Hardware insert do delay compensation? or and least a ping and the math for you? And can you bypass it within the software? Pryamix does a bypass which is so nice I wish PT did that. Yeah I use A Better Finder Rename 10 for stuff like that. It works amazing. Was $30 bucks and SOOO worth it. Blackdawg, yea Logic's I/O plugin has a ping button that will show you you how many samples it adjusted to and you can edit it from there if you choose. Yeah, that just seems so archaic to me. I've never had to ping or adjust samples for latency. It's either on or off, and I never think about it, and it's always sample accurate, and it just works. Of course, you can't adjust for inter-sample latency.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jun 18, 2019 10:36:40 GMT -6
I can’t deal with the way reaper looks. Sorry. ^^ This +1. Had a lot of potential otherwise but couldn't deal with the UI. Still have a license though and that's cool.
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Post by Omicron9 on Jun 18, 2019 10:43:27 GMT -6
I can’t deal with the way reaper looks. Sorry. ^^ This +1. Had a lot of potential otherwise but couldn't deal with the UI. Still have a license though and that's cool. Reaper has many skins you can apply for free. Even skins that look like PT or Logic. So, you can make it look however you want. And the customizing options are near endless. -09
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Post by scotthammond on Jun 18, 2019 10:48:22 GMT -6
I also just got tracks from a Cubase user and had to mix in PT. It was a complete pain in the ass to have to import all his damn wav files and then change names because they all started with the damn name of the song. Just so you know, that isn't a Cubase thing. Your client used the batch export function and chose to make the naming conventions that way. You can fully customize the naming on export. I can absolutely understand it being annoying though. That's my biggest pet peeve as a mixer...people not knowing how to export files properly from their DAWs. And with more people recording their own stuff at home it gets worse and worse every day.
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Post by brenta on Jun 18, 2019 10:48:51 GMT -6
Sigh, I'm so damn sick of Avid. Pro Tools was great back in the Digidesign days but has been getting worse each year under Avid. Seems like they are just grasping at straws to figure out how to increase revenue, but they don't realize that it's crap like this that is driving their formally loyal users to the multitude of other options available these days.
From Avid: "We will continue to offer perpetual pricing as an option. However, going forward the preferred pricing model will be subscription-based pricing, because this is the direction of the entire industry and the way people would prefer to license software."
Does anyone actually prefer to license software with subscription? As was said, none of Pro Tools' competitors use a subscription model. What is the benefit to the consumer for this pricing model?
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Post by donr on Jun 18, 2019 10:54:53 GMT -6
I've been dabbling with Logic for writing because of the ease of using software instruments and region editing of midi and loop/groove tracks.
But I still overdub and mix in DP. I've been exporting Logic software instrument performances as audio into DP. Works good! DP does hardware insert I/O like Logic, choose your input/output on any instance and know/change the latency compensation. I guess I could eventually learn to get around on Logic exclusively, but man, it's dense. Too capable, methinks.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 18, 2019 11:05:02 GMT -6
Pryamix does this too. However does not have built in delay compensation...for some dumb reason. mikec does Logic's Hardware insert do delay compensation? or and least a ping and the math for you? And can you bypass it within the software? Pryamix does a bypass which is so nice I wish PT did that. Yeah I use A Better Finder Rename 10 for stuff like that. It works amazing. Was $30 bucks and SOOO worth it. Blackdawg, yea Logic's I/O plugin has a ping button that will show you you how many samples it adjusted to and you can edit it from there if you choose. Cool. I've never really used Logic. Neundo is much higher on my list for potential replacements. But nice to hear. Blackdawg, yea Logic's I/O plugin has a ping button that will show you you how many samples it adjusted to and you can edit it from there if you choose. Yeah, that just seems so archaic to me. I've never had to ping or adjust samples for latency. It's either on or off, and I never think about it, and it's always sample accurate, and it just works. Of course, you can't adjust for inter-sample latency. As an HDX user myself..I agree. On both fronts. It is super cool to have the ability to software bypass(i use an S6 so A/Bing hardware like a plugin..super cool) and route however you want is cool. But nothing beats just slapping shit on and never having to think about which HDX does just that. Super nice. Sigh, I'm so damn sick of Avid. Pro Tools was great back in the Digidesign days but has been getting worse each year under Avid. Seems like they are just grasping at straws to figure out how to increase revenue, but they don't realize that it's crap like this that is driving their formally loyal users to the multitude of other options available these days. From Avid: "We will continue to offer perpetual pricing as an option. However, going forward the preferred pricing model will be subscription-based pricing, because this is the direction of the entire industry and the way people would prefer to license software." Does anyone actually prefer to license software with subscription? As was said, none of Pro Tools' competitors use a subscription model. What is the benefit to the consumer for this pricing model? Hell no. We can all blame damn Adobe for the whole subscription thing. The funny part is is that those companies claim it helps support them better and get more updates and better tech support...but adobe and Avid's tech support is the freaking worst. Avid does do way more updates than Digidesign ever did....which also had terrible tech support. I hate not owning my product. But everything is about not owning anything these days. Look at all the streaming services.
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Post by drbill on Jun 18, 2019 11:09:58 GMT -6
I haven't had to use AVID;'s tech support for over a decade. Not even sure how I'd go about contacting them if for some reason I needed it. Never needed it for probably 15 years. Everything just works. <<knock on wood>>
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 18, 2019 11:11:31 GMT -6
I haven't had to use AVID;'s tech support for over a decade. Not even sure how I'd go about contacting them if for some reason I needed it. Never needed it for probably 15 years. Everything just works. <<knock on wood>> idk how you've gone 15 years and not had any issues. that is a world record right there. I always just call Jeff Komar haha way better than anything else.
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Post by drbill on Jun 18, 2019 11:13:54 GMT -6
I haven't had to use AVID;'s tech support for over a decade. Not even sure how I'd go about contacting them if for some reason I needed it. Never needed it for probably 15 years. Everything just works. <<knock on wood>> idk how you've gone 15 years and not had any issues. that is a world record right there.
I always just call Jeff Komar haha way better than anything else. I didn't mean to intimate I've never had any issues - I should have been more specific. I just know how - or figure out how - to fix em myself. If I switched over to Logic I'd be on the phone with tech support for hours every day. Just don't get along with that program well.....
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Post by brenta on Jun 18, 2019 11:18:22 GMT -6
Any issues are always the result of an Avid software bug, so what good would it do to reach out to Avid Tech Support? "Yeah that bug is on our list of fixes and we'll have it fixed in about 18 months, just make sure to keep paying your monthly subscription so that you can get the fix someday."
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Post by mcirish on Jun 18, 2019 11:18:53 GMT -6
I've always wondered about getting a PT license but now I think I will pass. Nuendo/Cubase have been very good to work in for the last couple decades. I tried to like Reaper but man, it was just too ugly to stare at all day. In Cubase, Vari-Audio and the comp tool speed up my workflow so much that I can't think of changing... but still I do. I just like learning new things. :-) I did use Logic when they supported PC but changed to Nuendo when they dropped all their customers. I found Logic to be the most unlogical piece of software I'd used. I'm sure it's much better now, but there is no way I will pay Apple's price on a new computer. For doing audio editing, I find Apple to be almost twice as expensive as a PC that can do the same job. in some cases, the specs are not the same, but you have to recognize what is needed for audio and what is not. For now, I will stay with Nuendo/Cubase on a PC.
I work in IT during the days. Adobe and Autodesk went to subscription based licensing. I am absolutely NOT a fan. It only benefits the vendor. The end user is screwed if they simply can't afford to pay every year. I'm always looking for software now that can replace the subscription software. I just hate that heavy handed way of doing business.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 18, 2019 11:29:19 GMT -6
I also just got tracks from a Cubase user and had to mix in PT. It was a complete pain in the ass to have to import all his damn wav files and then change names because they all started with the damn name of the song. Just so you know, that isn't a Cubase thing. Your client used the batch export function and chose to make the naming conventions that way. You can fully customize the naming on export. I can absolutely understand it being annoying though. That's my biggest pet peeve as a mixer...people not knowing how to export files properly from their DAWs. And with more people recording their own stuff at home it gets worse and worse every day. Oh I know...been on Cubase since before SX...yeah, dude was just lazy.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 18, 2019 11:34:40 GMT -6
idk how you've gone 15 years and not had any issues. that is a world record right there.
I always just call Jeff Komar haha way better than anything else. I didn't mean to intimate I've never had any issues - I should have been more specific. I just know how - or figure out how - to fix em myself. If I switched over to Logic I'd be on the phone with tech support for hours every day. Just don't get along with that program well..... I also just realized you've probably been in HD/HDX your entire career. That's a big part of it.
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Post by drbill on Jun 18, 2019 11:37:10 GMT -6
I didn't mean to intimate I've never had any issues - I should have been more specific. I just know how - or figure out how - to fix em myself. If I switched over to Logic I'd be on the phone with tech support for hours every day. Just don't get along with that program well..... I also just realized you've probably been in HD/HDX your entire career. That's a big part of it. I was in WAAAAY before HD. I have been DSP based the whole time - never native. There was a time PT was ALWAYS DSP based. I started in PT 2.x with the 442 interfaces and whatever cards they used back then. Prehistoric.....
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Post by svart on Jun 18, 2019 11:37:36 GMT -6
I can’t deal with the way reaper looks. Sorry. I’d like to learn Logic more seamlessly - I’m slow on it...guess the only thing that would fix that is to just commit to it. Or just do everything in Cubase. You can change the skins. You can find a PT skin, or a Cubase skin, etc.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 18, 2019 11:39:42 GMT -6
I also just realized you've probably been in HD/HDX your entire career. That's a big part of it. I was in WAAAAY before HD. I have been DSP based the whole time - never native. There was a time PT was ALWAYS DSP based. I started in PT 2.x with the 442 interfaces and whatever cards they used back then. Prehistoric..... haha wow. Well Either way, that alone makes it way different than trying to get interface xyz to work over firewire 800 or usb or thunderbolt or...whatever. HDX is way more solid.
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Post by brenta on Jun 18, 2019 11:42:26 GMT -6
So what's the easiest to learn DAW for someone who is coming from Pro Tools? I'm just so damn fast on Pro Tools that any other DAW is going to be frustrating to use. I think I remember Logic having a Pro Tools mode or something where all the quick keys were the same as Pro Tools. Any other DAWs having something like that?
I won't have a need to upgrade my Pro Tools until I upgrade my computer and therefore have to upgrade my OS. So I think I have a few years to learn a new DAW.
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Post by ragan on Jun 18, 2019 12:03:38 GMT -6
Of course Avid waits till just after the big Cubase sale to announce the Gouge Enhancement. The servers that handle Logic and Cubase demos are gonna be working up a nice sweat. Those who have used both, Logic or Cubase? I like to slice and dice things and send them all over the place so...editing, routing, grouping? Which is better?
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Post by drbill on Jun 18, 2019 12:09:37 GMT -6
Nothing edits like PT. Nothing.....
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