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Post by aremos on Feb 1, 2019 20:22:57 GMT -6
Any chance of hearing it on vocals too? We’ll do some. Don't know if this was asked &/or answered, besides the tube(s) & the pre in the REDD & the EQ/tape/tone stuff in the TG, what other differences are there in the mics. Is the capsule different?
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Post by reddirt on Feb 1, 2019 23:11:04 GMT -6
Sorry if it's in previous posts, I havent seen it ; what price are we talking? Cheers, Ross
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Post by sirthought on Feb 2, 2019 5:48:36 GMT -6
Don't know if this was asked &/or answered, besides the tube(s) & the pre in the REDD & the EQ/tape/tone stuff in the TG, what other differences are there in the mics. Is the capsule different? These two mics share few similarities, except for the shockmount and the logo. Same thickness, but TG is slightly shorter. Might be the same head basket, but it looks like it might have a slightly different color chrome. There is no preamp in the TG, but there are three amplifiers inside. The tone circuit is the main unique thing, with five preset EQ curves, with an A and B setting for a total of 10 preset sounds. Fifty volts is run into the capsule, which is more than most solid state condenser mics, run from it's own power supply instead of phantom. So it sounds more similar to a tube mic, partially because of that strong, constant flow of power. They don't share the same capsule. The REDD uses a handmade platinum membrane capsule, while the TG uses a custom spec gold membrane capsule. I have no clue what sonic difference those would imply. REDD uses a 7 pin cable, while TG uses a 4 pin.
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Post by sirthought on Feb 2, 2019 6:36:15 GMT -6
Sorry if it's in previous posts, I havent seen it ; what price are we talking? Cheers, Ross It's selling for $1,900, but I found a NAMM discount on Front End Audio for 15% off of that, so I spent a little over $1,500, which is really more than I wanted to spend, but I'm feeling positive all around. I've gotten a bit worn out with all the clone/price point talk and just like that it seems like a strong tool that's not attempting to be anything else.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 2, 2019 6:55:42 GMT -6
Nice deal!! Was the 15% off a code or just listed on its site ?
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Post by Guitar on Feb 2, 2019 7:25:33 GMT -6
Nice deal!! Was the 15% off a code or just listed on its site ? Front End Audio runs 15% off sales seemingly on nearly a monthly basis, for a few days at a time. It's 15% off of ANYTHING that they stock, and they stock some nice stuff. It's a very generous offer, and they are good people to deal with.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 2, 2019 7:29:20 GMT -6
Good to know. thx !
Although I am in Canada I have a myussaddress so can ship there and go pick up and import myself: could of hours but nice to be able to use some of the good US based deals with shipping included.
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Post by sirthought on Feb 2, 2019 7:29:26 GMT -6
I heard about it on GS, but didn't act last week. Today I reached out and asked if it could still apply and the rep sent me a code. It saved me about $277. So not a lot but that money will help me pay rent on my studio space.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 2, 2019 7:57:27 GMT -6
=$363 cdn. plus 14-20% duties, so over a $400 savings for me.
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Post by spock on Feb 2, 2019 9:37:45 GMT -6
Hi all,
Still recovering from NAMM a bit here...
The Low-cut acts as an modifier to the Tape EQ settings, thus multiplying them x 2 for about 20 sounds or 10 per system A & B. Those I took through the mic at NAMM got the picture and understood quickly how unique and utilitarian and large sounding the TG Microphone is and how fast you can get the sound. One guy who produces different vocals all day felt he could cover the many voices he sees with the TG alone and this was coming from relying on a capsule switching mic system.
From those few controls, there’s a lot of power in the user’s hands to quickly dial it in and start recording.
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Post by swurveman on Feb 2, 2019 10:01:16 GMT -6
I’m not unaware of how mics fit into mixes...but imo, I’d rather start with something that is full range and have the ability to shape it, than try and make something that wasn’t there to begin with. I agree but I’ll offer 2 counter arguments, people are most accustomed to hearing limited band width reproduction and in most modern rooms if you don’t have / know how to use analog filters the mic doing the filtering can just make things easier. This is from Jeff Lynne's documentary, "Mr Blue Sky". As I recall, he primarily (if not only) used Neumann mics which I believe were either U87's or 67's.
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Post by ragan on Feb 2, 2019 10:47:35 GMT -6
Jeff Lynne is a big hero of mine. His voice is amazing to me. Like liquid.
And yeah, he’s a giant U87 fan.
Love that film.
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Post by Quint on Feb 2, 2019 11:45:14 GMT -6
I would like to know where those videos were shot? I really like the vibe and look of the place. It looks like somebody's living room.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 2, 2019 11:50:52 GMT -6
Yup, maybe it’s Jeff’s place ?
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Post by ragan on Feb 2, 2019 11:59:53 GMT -6
I would like to know where those videos were shot? I really like the vibe and look of the place. It looks like somebody's living room. It’s Jeff Lynne’s house. Watch the film! It’s worth it.
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Post by donr on Feb 2, 2019 12:10:03 GMT -6
Probably Jeff's living room. Wall of Gold/Platinum records. Couple things about those vid/recordings. There's no direct mic heard on the electric guitar in "Mercy," just room pickup, and you can't hear any acoustic guitar in "Strange Magic." Not even any bleed from the vocal mic, until the final chord of the song, when you hear one strum. Which makes me suspect Jeff overdubbed the vocal after the video was shot, to get a release quality performance.
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Post by ragan on Feb 2, 2019 13:00:29 GMT -6
Probably Jeff's living room. Wall of Gold/Platinum records. Couple things about those vid/recordings. There's no direct mic heard on the electric guitar in "Mercy," just room pickup, and you can't hear any acoustic guitar in "Strange Magic." Not even any bleed from the vocal mic, until the final chord of the song, when you hear one strum. Which makes me suspect Jeff overdubbed the vocal after the video was shot, to get a release quality performance. I’ve got acoustic guitar throughout the whole “Strange Magic” here, on the linked vid and on the DVD that I have of the film. It’s mixed pretty low (probably for bleed reasons) but it’s very audible, right from the start. Wonder what’s up with the playback you’re hearing? As for the “Mercy” clip where there are like 5 Jeff Lynne clones, well that is, yeah, obviously not “live”. 😬
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Post by Guitar on Feb 2, 2019 13:27:11 GMT -6
He is so talented it's almost painful to me since I try so hard to do the one man band thing, he's just got the strange magic, makes it look so easy.
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Post by donr on Feb 2, 2019 14:33:02 GMT -6
Probably Jeff's living room. Wall of Gold/Platinum records. Couple things about those vid/recordings. There's no direct mic heard on the electric guitar in "Mercy," just room pickup, and you can't hear any acoustic guitar in "Strange Magic." Not even any bleed from the vocal mic, until the final chord of the song, when you hear one strum. Which makes me suspect Jeff overdubbed the vocal after the video was shot, to get a release quality performance. I’ve got acoustic guitar throughout the whole “Strange Magic” here, on the linked vid and on the DVD that I have of the film. It’s mixed pretty low (probably for bleed reasons) but it’s very audible, right from the start. Wonder what’s up with the playback you’re hearing? As for the “Mercy” clip where there are like 5 Jeff Lynne clones, well that is, yeah, obviously not “live”. 😬 Ragan, I was listening on the laptop, and listened again with over-ear headphones plugged in to confirm no acoustic on the youtube clip, can't explain what or why I'm hearing it that way. Not casting any aspersion on Jeff Lynne at all, he's awesome. He's super tight and musical as evidenced by the "Mercy" cut. I'm sure the non-close mic'ing of the electric guitar was an esthetic choice. I assumed what I heard on "Strange Magic" was intentional as well.
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Post by ragan on Feb 2, 2019 14:46:50 GMT -6
I’ve got acoustic guitar throughout the whole “Strange Magic” here, on the linked vid and on the DVD that I have of the film. It’s mixed pretty low (probably for bleed reasons) but it’s very audible, right from the start. Wonder what’s up with the playback you’re hearing? As for the “Mercy” clip where there are like 5 Jeff Lynne clones, well that is, yeah, obviously not “live”. 😬 Ragan, I was listening on the laptop, and listened again with over-ear headphones plugged in to confirm no acoustic on the youtube clip, can't explain what or why I'm hearing it that way. Not casting any aspersion on Jeff Lynne at all, he's awesome. He's super tight and musical as evidenced by the "Mercy" cut. I'm sure the non-close mic'ing of the electric guitar was an esthetic choice. I assumed what I heard on "Strange Magic" was intentional as well. So you’re still not hearing any acoustic guitar on the “Strange Magic” clop above? I can hear it right off the bat just listening on my phone. This is bothering my brain! Can other people here hear acoustic on that clip?
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Post by donr on Feb 2, 2019 14:51:52 GMT -6
Yeah, weird! Just saw your post and listened again. I'm getting the piano in stereo, from the player's perspective, and the vocal up the middle. For example, at 0:55 in the clip, the first chorus, you see the video cut from the piano to Jeff, you see his right hand whanging away on the guitar strings, but I hear nothing but the vocal. I wonder if we're watching the same clip.
I'm watching the one quoted up the page from this current conversation. Frank (surveman)'s post.
Update: I listened in my studio, and then listened with m/s ducking the sides. The acoustic's there in the beginning and end, and you can hear it sometimes in the song. There are moments in the tune where you do not hear it, and I think that's why the guitar is not an audible element in the song despite the vigor with which it's strummed in the video.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 2, 2019 15:05:19 GMT -6
The A gtr is low but it’s there, it’s almost like they just mixed in the transients of the strum: surfing the wave of the piano?
On the shots of Jeff in the back almost up against a wall seems there’s a room mike, wonder if that was used as a crushed drum track to mix in underneath main drum track?
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Post by indiehouse on Feb 2, 2019 15:44:44 GMT -6
The real question is how did they get so many Jeff Lynne’s in the same room? I heard they can’t stand each other anymore because of “creative differences”.
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Post by chessparov on Feb 2, 2019 15:45:09 GMT -6
Adam, when I saw you at NAMM Saturday, IIRC it was the #1 setting, along with whatever setting had extra "TG harmonics... That I preferred. What would be the proper description?
Am guessing these were the most "Vintage Settings?
Thanks, Chris
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Post by indiehouse on Feb 2, 2019 16:22:22 GMT -6
I’m interested in hearing how this compares to a 251. In what cases would one be favorable over the other?
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