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Post by lcr on Jan 19, 2019 18:10:58 GMT -6
I didnt see your kemper, was it out of shot or is it already gone.. again..?
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Post by Quint on Jan 19, 2019 18:23:15 GMT -6
I don't understand why the settings stay the same on the TG each time it's being compared to the various other mics. Isn't the whole point of having those tone/eq controls on the TG so that you can, among other things, try to approximate the sound of those other mics? No...it’s a mic that has the NAB/IEC Tape EQ settings found on the vintage EMI TG mastering console. It’s not attempting to sound like anything else. Btw - I didn’t get one or anything for filming that. It’s an honest first impression. And I was really impressed. I get that Chandler isn't trying to create a 1 to 1 clone like something Stam or Warm might try to do. Still, in that video and in some of the writeups I've seen from Chandler, they do go on to make comparisons to some classic mics. I was just trying to point out that, if they're going to make comparisons to other mics, why not use the tone/eq controls on the TG to get it in the ballpark? |
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Post by spock on Jan 19, 2019 18:38:54 GMT -6
The levels are pretty matched save for an errant note; it’s just the consistent nature of the TG Mic is giving the impression of being louder in comparison, almost compressed. I think John picked described it best in the first impressions video, as far as the dynamics of it. I don't understand why the settings stay the same on the TG each time it's being compared to the various other mics. Isn't the whole point of having those tone/eq controls on the TG so that you can, among other things, try to approximate the sound of those other mics? Hi Quint FWIW, The intention and object of this particular exercise (as in most recording sessions) was to capture the best possible sound—or apropos one for the track from the source using—in this case—the TG Microphone, and vs. some well known wonderful microphones. We're talking about covering territory where these other mics might be favored, not so much a specific copy of a sound. The TG Microphone from it's multitude of combinations and dual systems is capable of achieving a wide array sounds at the source, though it isn't clone of any other microphone nor is it intended to be; however unique, from those possibilities, some users might find familiar characteristics of beloved historic greats....For example in the video and on this particular source the TG Microphone with these particular settings is somewhat characteristic of the vintage C 414 EB, albeit on steroids. Ultimately the TG Microphone is quite flexible and can be configured to capture a variety of sources and cover scenarios where traditionally other microphones might have found favor, from vocals to screaming guitar and bass amps, drums etc... however, it isn't meant copy a sound. Wade wanted to create a great sounding microphone that could cover a lot of ground, rather than be a typecast actor, this I believe this was achieved. I hope this helps...P.S., I'll post a drums, bass and guitar track recorded using TG Microphones; this track uses the same guitar part from the sound sample video. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 19, 2019 19:51:02 GMT -6
I didnt see your kemper, was it out of shot or is it already gone.. again..? Why out of shot, of course. |
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Post by aremos on Jan 19, 2019 22:37:37 GMT -6
FWIW, The intention and object of this particular exercise (as in most recording sessions) was to capture the best possible sound—or apropos one for the track from the source using—in this case—the TG Microphone, and vs. some well known wonderful microphones. We're talking about covering territory where these other mics might be favored, not so much a specific copy of a sound. The TG Microphone from it's multitude of combinations and dual systems is capable of achieving a wide array sounds at the source, though it isn't clone of any other microphone nor is it intended to be; however unique, from those possibilities, some users might find familiar characteristics of beloved historic greats....For example in the video and on this particular source the TG Microphone with these particular settings is somewhat characteristic of the vintage C 414 EB, albeit on steroids. Ultimately the TG Microphone is quite flexible and can be configured to capture a variety of sources and cover scenarios where traditionally other microphones might have found favor, from vocals to screaming guitar and bass amps, drums etc... however, it isn't meant copy a sound. Wade wanted to create a great sounding microphone that could cover a lot of ground, rather than be a typecast actor, this I believe this was achieved. I hope this helps...P.S., I'll post a drums, bass and guitar track recorded using TG Microphones; this track uses the same guitar part from the sound sample video. So, what are the differences between the REDD mic & this new TG? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 19, 2019 23:00:11 GMT -6
One is tube and one is fet for a big one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 2:57:46 GMT -6
My trouble is I preferred the sound of the vintage mics, for the most part.  Seriously? Yes, the vintage mics sound far more band limited, and for want of a better term "vintage", and I could see them fitting in a mix far better than the Chandler, which would require a lot more EQ. Just listening again (HD from YT, Crookwood conversion and headphone amp into HD600s loud), I particularly like the sound of the first two Neumann mics. The difference between the vintage mics and the Chandler is huge, they don't sound anything like each other, (not that they are supposed to, they are being marketed as a "new design"). But personally I prefer the oldies.  And I'm saying that as a huge Chandler fan (TG2 and pair of Germ Comps in daily use here for around a decade). |
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Post by spock on Jan 20, 2019 10:46:43 GMT -6
Fwiw...between the 2 systems, the nab/iec Tape EQ and the 2 low cuts, there’s like 20 sounds in the mic; you can make it thin if you want, or darker too; or even bigger.
Sys A is more typical TG2 while B is more pristine and takes extreme SPLs.
I’ll post a bass drums guitar track with no processing as soon as I can (NAMM thing happening;) it’ll breakdown to drums then build back up.
One of the other things that came out of the Nashville demo sessions was that engineers felt it sounded done and they didn’t have to do anything to it, as Ryan Hewitt states for him, “a win!”
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 20, 2019 11:28:40 GMT -6
Yes, the vintage mics sound far more band limited, and for want of a better term "vintage", and I could see them fitting in a mix far better than the Chandler, which would require a lot more EQ. Just listening again (HD from YT, Crookwood conversion and headphone amp into HD600s loud), I particularly like the sound of the first two Neumann mics. The difference between the vintage mics and the Chandler is huge, they don't sound anything like each other, (not that they are supposed to, they are being marketed as a "new design"). But personally I prefer the oldies. And I'm saying that as a huge Chandler fan (TG2 and pair of Germ Comps in daily use here for around a decade). You’re right - much more band limited - which I find much less natural. |
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Post by ragan on Jan 20, 2019 11:54:43 GMT -6
I was really impressed with the TG. It is a little disorienting how much huge-er it sounds and how nasal it makes the Neumanns sound.
Can’t decide if I’d love that size or fight against it all the time.
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Post by stormymondays on Jan 20, 2019 12:09:30 GMT -6
I was really impressed with the TG. It is a little disorienting how much huge-er it sounds and how nasal it makes the Neumanns sound. Can’t decide if I’d love that size or fight against it all the time. I'm in the same boat. However, sometimes more IS more! On that video, the TG sounds to me like a guitar amp. The other mics sound like a mic in a room in front of a guitar amp. |
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Post by ragan on Jan 20, 2019 12:11:27 GMT -6
I was really impressed with the TG. It is a little disorienting how much huge-er it sounds and how nasal it makes the Neumanns sound. Can’t decide if I’d love that size or fight against it all the time. I'm in the same boat. However, sometimes more IS more! On that video, the TG sounds to me like a guitar amp. The other mics sound like a mic in a room in front of a guitar amp. That’s mostly my inclination too. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 20, 2019 12:47:14 GMT -6
I’m not unaware of how mics fit into mixes...but imo, I’d rather start with something that is full range and have the ability to shape it, than try and make something that wasn’t there to begin with.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 20, 2019 12:59:16 GMT -6
It is really weird to me that it makes those other mics sound broken. I wouldn't expect there to be such a drastic difference, but there is.
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Post by Quint on Jan 20, 2019 13:16:44 GMT -6
Fwiw...between the 2 systems, the nab/iec Tape EQ and the 2 low cuts, there’s like 20 sounds in the mic; you can make it thin if you want, or darker too; or even bigger. Well I would certainly have an interest in hearing how it can be made thinner or kind of what the overall range of tones is that can be gotten from this mic. One of the primary selling points of this mic seems to be versatility of tones and applications, so it would be good to hear that variation on display, via use of the tone controls. |
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Post by guitfiddler on Jan 20, 2019 13:26:55 GMT -6
Sounds like a another quality mic by Chandler that would be a nice go to. Excited to demo this!
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Post by ericn on Jan 20, 2019 15:51:40 GMT -6
I’m not unaware of how mics fit into mixes...but imo, I’d rather start with something that is full range and have the ability to shape it, than try and make something that wasn’t there to begin with. I agree but I’ll offer 2 counter arguments, people are most accustomed to hearing limited band width reproduction and in most modern rooms if you don’t have / know how to use analog filters the mic doing the filtering can just make things easier. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 20, 2019 16:34:01 GMT -6
Not really sure why we’re complaining about a mic sounding “too good.” Lol. It has a HPF or 50 and 90.
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Post by stormymondays on Jan 20, 2019 16:41:34 GMT -6
At this point all I need to know is... how many do I need? And how many can I buy? And when?
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Post by spock on Jan 20, 2019 16:56:04 GMT -6
At this point all I need to know is... how many do I need? And how many can I buy? And when? Awesome! You can order now, expect shipping a week or two after NAMM. |
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Post by stormymondays on Jan 20, 2019 17:26:57 GMT -6
At this point all I need to know is... how many do I need? And how many can I buy? And when? Awesome! You can order now, expect shipping a week or two after NAMM. I guess I’ll start with one! I’m in Spain, any preferred dealer? I tend to order from the UK anyway... |
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Post by spock on Jan 20, 2019 18:05:48 GMT -6
Awesome! You can order now, expect shipping a week or two after NAMM. I guess I’ll start with one! I’m in Spain, any preferred dealer? I tend to order from the UK anyway... Funky Junk is our distributor for Spain. |
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Post by chessparov on Jan 21, 2019 1:22:01 GMT -6
That TG sounds like a great match, for your voice John K!
Chris
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Post by guitfiddler on Jan 21, 2019 3:40:51 GMT -6
Awesome! You can order now, expect shipping a week or two after NAMM. I guess I’ll start with one! I’m in Spain, any preferred dealer? I tend to order from the UK anyway... . We need a full review! 😁 |
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Post by spock on Jan 22, 2019 9:18:46 GMT -6
ragan jampa stormymondays chessparov guitfiddler Again make sure 1080P is selected in the YT player. This 1 min vid features a drums, bass and guitar track recorded using TG Microphones; no additional processing (other than the whole track coming up +3.5 dB in the video edit.) Quint the pattern and pad toggles, are on the mic near the top, like on the REDD Microphone.
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And I'm saying that as a huge Chandler fan (TG2 and pair of Germ Comps in daily use here for around a decade).
