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Post by the other mark williams on Sept 29, 2018 22:45:42 GMT -6
I've been working in studios in one way or another for nearly 25 years now. And today I asked myself this question: Is there any type of audio connector more annoying than the db25 connector? And I answered my question with this: No. No, there is not.
That is all.
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Post by drbill on Sept 29, 2018 23:47:10 GMT -6
Agreed!
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 30, 2018 6:05:03 GMT -6
It just seems silly cus you are probably going to a patchbay any way, so why not standard trs: simple.
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 30, 2018 6:08:53 GMT -6
It just seems silly cus you are probably going to a patchbay any way, so why not standard trs: simple. ? Unless your Patchbay is DB25 and TT. |
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 30, 2018 6:09:45 GMT -6
I've been working in studios in one way or another for nearly 25 years now. And today I asked myself this question: Is there any type of audio connector more annoying than the db25 connector? And I answered my question with this: No. No, there is not. That is all. Have you ever tried to solder your own DB25? Talk about annoying. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 30, 2018 6:11:01 GMT -6
@indie fair enough but if db25 never got started then it wouldn’t be on the PB either !  |
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Post by ericn on Sept 30, 2018 9:33:16 GMT -6
I've been working in studios in one way or another for nearly 25 years now. And today I asked myself this question: Is there any type of audio connector more annoying than the db25 connector? And I answered my question with this: No. No, there is not. That is all. Have you ever tried to solder your own DB25? Talk about annoying. Yeah that’s why most are crimp! |
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Post by swurveman on Sept 30, 2018 10:38:18 GMT -6
I have used DB25's in my studio for my two Aurora 16's, mic input stage box and two Redco DB25 patchbays for eight years and have had one issue with one channel. To me, that's pretty good performance. I can't imagine having to deal with so many more individual chords if I didn't use db25's.
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Post by drbill on Sept 30, 2018 11:22:16 GMT -6
That's why Elco's were made..... |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 11:36:34 GMT -6
I love them. The back of my Crookwood "brain" unit has eight of them, I can't even begin to imagine the tangle there would be if I had to replace them all with XLRs or jacks...
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Post by Calvin on Sept 30, 2018 13:49:03 GMT -6
DB25's are OK. Sure, Elcos are sturdier, easier to work with (if you have the right tools), but they're too big for a lot of applications. I don't have a big setup, but I do have a fair number of DB25s. I solder my own. It's a bit of a pain, but once you work out your technique it goes pretty smoothly. I've not had any failures at all, and they've been in use for a number of years at this point. They don't get moved around much, really, and everything is well supported and stress-relieved. So, to me, they're fine for a number of situations. I wouldn't tend to use them in a big professional room, but for my purposes they work out well.
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Post by indiehouse on Sept 30, 2018 16:05:43 GMT -6
The most annoying things besides soldering them, is the cheap Chinese pot metal screws stripping out (Redco DB25 connectors), and the hex screw connector unscrewing along with the DB25.
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Post by drbill on Sept 30, 2018 16:13:57 GMT -6
IMO, they're a cheap computer connector hijacked for the audio world - simply because of their 8 channel density. Never intended to be used in demanding situations. Can be OK, but my experience is similar to indiehouse's. They strip, fall apart, and are difficult to effectively strain relief.
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 30, 2018 20:33:45 GMT -6
I've been working in studios in one way or another for nearly 25 years now. And today I asked myself this question: Is there any type of audio connector more annoying than the db25 connector? And I answered my question with this: No. No, there is not. That is all. You're in error - the DB25 is NOT an audio connector. It is a computer connector. And quite an annoying one. |
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 30, 2018 20:37:46 GMT -6
It just seems silly cus you are probably going to a patchbay any way, so why not standard trs: simple. ? Unless your Patchbay is DB25 and TT. That's YOUR fault. |
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 30, 2018 20:39:40 GMT -6
It just seems silly cus you are probably going to a patchbay any way, so why not standard trs: simple. Too big. TRS takes twice the space of TT. Maybe if you have little outboard in might not be an issue. And try building a TRS patchbay into an LFAC. Even a small LFAC like mine.... |
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Post by ericn on Sept 30, 2018 21:44:51 GMT -6
It’s funny when you think that Alesis used ELCO’s and Yamaha and Tascam that gave us standards for Dsub 25’s. The reason for using a crappy computer connector for audio ? They are cheap and dense, that’s it hate, hate hate them, but they do make it easy to organize things, plus there are only 2 pinout standards out there!
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Post by m03 on Sept 30, 2018 22:20:08 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Oct 1, 2018 1:24:14 GMT -6
@indie fair enough but if db25 never got started then it wouldn’t be on the PB either ! Too late to get the horse back in the barn now... 😏 |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 1, 2018 4:54:24 GMT -6
^^True Dat^^ |
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Post by ericn on Oct 1, 2018 7:01:52 GMT -6
@indie fair enough but if db25 never got started then it wouldn’t be on the PB either ! Too late to get the horse back in the barn now... 😏 Or the DB25 with a bent pin back in the Back of the old bay😁 |
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Post by the other mark williams on Oct 1, 2018 11:03:54 GMT -6
The most annoying things besides soldering them, is the cheap Chinese pot metal screws stripping out (Redco DB25 connectors), and the hex screw connector unscrewing along with the DB25. ^ This. This is exactly the thing. The screws from the connector get stuck in the hex screws embedded in the piece of gear. Then it strips the inside in the piece of gear and it just keeps spinning. The Redco connectors have been the worst offender of this for me, with Planet Waves connectors being slightly better. But not a whole lot better. As long as the other side of the connector stays securely fastened to the gear, I think it'll be fine. But as soon as THAT screw strips, there won't be anything to hold the connector there. |
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Post by ericn on Oct 1, 2018 11:13:42 GMT -6
The most annoying things besides soldering them, is the cheap Chinese pot metal screws stripping out (Redco DB25 connectors), and the hex screw connector unscrewing along with the DB25. ^ This. This is exactly the thing. The screws from the connector get stuck in the hex screws embedded in the piece of gear. Then it strips the inside in the piece of gear and it just keeps spinning. The Redco connectors have been the worst offender of this for me, with Planet Waves connectors being slightly better. But not a whole lot better. As long as the other side of the connector stays securely fastened to the gear, I think it'll be fine. But as soon as THAT screw strips, there won't be anything to hold the connector there. One of the things that strips those hex nuts is that their are 2 different types of threads used in Dsub connectors, BUT NOBODY TELLS ANYBODY! I buy replacement hex nuts and screws in bulk just to avoid this and replace crappy ones, the advantage of having electronics supply in town. |
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Post by matt on Oct 1, 2018 11:23:53 GMT -6
The screws from the connector get stuck in the hex screws embedded in the piece of gear. One of the things that strips those hex nuts is that their are 2 different types of threads used in Dsub connectors, The first time I bought some cheap HOSA cables I saw that they included a second set of screws with the different thread in a little bag. I thought, "what's this?" and looked it up. It's the only way I found out about it. Now I always pull the screw out and try it in the nut before seating the connector. It's saved me some grief, for sure. |
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 1, 2018 11:58:25 GMT -6
It’s funny when you think that Alesis used ELCO’s and Yamaha and Tascam that gave us standards for Dsub 25’s. The reason for using a crappy computer connector for audio ? They are cheap and dense, that’s it hate, hate hate them, but they do make it easy to organize things, plus there are only 2 pinout standards out there! It's not that surprising that Yamaha and Tascam would use DB25s - Yamaha has always sourced the cheapest parts possible (the "linear faders" in the PM1000 are actually really cheap rotary pots mounted in a jerry rigged radio cord frame) and Tascam hasn't been a whole lot better. |
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