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Post by mrholmes on Feb 16, 2018 9:39:58 GMT -6
Short answer to my question is. Monark sounds somewhat like a Moog but fails in three parts of it. 1. Low End is there but not as defined. 2. Attack.... fast played notes always have a nsaty attack on top of it.... (my cat left the studio!!!) 3. Fumbeling the knobs is as always with plugs unintuitive... To sum it up: MÖÖP Need to buy this thing.... Thanks for taking time to test the difference... those were my findings as well comparing to plugins. I’ve used several good moogish virtual synths, but there’s nothing like hardware And it’s a lot more fun. It’s pretty amazing to get hardware that sounds like this at such a low price point Dont get me wrong I was able to get a good sound from the Native Monarck but I was not able to match it. Diffrent animals.... but at this price point I will buy one Model D too.... I hate most synths but the moogis nice.... EDIT: Just orderd one delivery is in MAY....
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 21, 2018 7:19:00 GMT -6
I had to try against Uhe Diva.... Even if I dont get to 100% the exact same sound Diva is so close that no one in the world could tell me in a blind test which one was the real synth and which one a VSTi.
It all comes down if you like to turn real knobs...
And I like to turn real knobs.....
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Post by ericn on Feb 21, 2018 10:58:29 GMT -6
You have to hand it to Uli, No matter how hard you try to hate the big bad Music Group Empire, they have this way of worming their way into your rig. They buy companies you love and have a long association with ( my case Midas and Turbosound, hey I used to stop at Turbo USA just to have quality time with Satchmo the golden retriever). You become the Billy Graham of the gospel of real product development not Xeroxing PC boards, you end up loving some of their clones !
I admit to loving their little cable tester, I buy them 4 at a time, the ADA8000 was a steal , my little Behringer mixer is the most often used little problem solver I have ever had and this little Sucker is the coolest little accessible synth since the RadioShak MOOG! I’m not a Keys or Synth guy, but the Kid is doing some piano in school so it’s an excuse for dad to buy a Kurzweil and yeah your going to find one of these things hooked up to it! Damn Germans, I mean I can’t stand that they had monkeys breathing exhaust fumes but I still miss the Porsche, AMG and it would be easier to pry the AR15 out of the hands of my old Texas neighbor than my X5! Will this hurt Moog ? Probably not, different price point and if they are building stuff the same as Behringer they deserve this!
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 21, 2018 11:23:04 GMT -6
You have to hand it to Uli, No matter how hard you try to hate the big bad Music Group Empire, they have this way of worming their way into your rig. They buy companies you love and have a long association with ( my case Midas and Turbosound, hey I used to stop at Turbo USA just to have quality time with Satchmo the golden retriever). You become the Billy Graham of the gospel of real product development not Xeroxing PC boards, you end up loving some of their clones ! I admit to loving their little cable tester, I buy them 4 at a time, the ADA8000 was a steal , my little Behringer mixer is the most often used little problem solver I have ever had and this little Sucker is the coolest little accessible synth since the RadioShak MOOG! I’m not a Keys or Synth guy, but the Kid is doing some piano in school so it’s an excuse for dad to buy a Kurzweil and yeah your going to find one of these things hooked up to it! Damn Germans, I mean I can’t stand that they had monkeys breathing exhaust fumes but I still miss the Porsche, AMG and it would be easier to pry the AR15 out of the hands of my old Texas neighbor than my X5! Will this hurt Moog ? Probably not, different price point and if they are building stuff the same as Behringer they deserve this! This is a fun read as a natural born german. But lets face it the Porsche is a true German invention based on creative engeneering. What is Uli Behringer creating... NOTHING he just uses copy and paste. To be fair some of the Behringer steals are great. ADA 8000 MDX 1000 Auratone Clone Behritone C 50 Bugera Guitar Amps tc Electronic.... True there is more Uli in my Studio than I want it to be. If the Moog Clone is as good as the Behritones Clones or the TC stuff - than its far away from crap.
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Post by ericn on Feb 21, 2018 11:35:42 GMT -6
You have to hand it to Uli, No matter how hard you try to hate the big bad Music Group Empire, they have this way of worming their way into your rig. They buy companies you love and have a long association with ( my case Midas and Turbosound, hey I used to stop at Turbo USA just to have quality time with Satchmo the golden retriever). You become the Billy Graham of the gospel of real product development not Xeroxing PC boards, you end up loving some of their clones ! I admit to loving their little cable tester, I buy them 4 at a time, the ADA8000 was a steal , my little Behringer mixer is the most often used little problem solver I have ever had and this little Sucker is the coolest little accessible synth since the RadioShak MOOG! I’m not a Keys or Synth guy, but the Kid is doing some piano in school so it’s an excuse for dad to buy a Kurzweil and yeah your going to find one of these things hooked up to it! Damn Germans, I mean I can’t stand that they had monkeys breathing exhaust fumes but I still miss the Porsche, AMG and it would be easier to pry the AR15 out of the hands of my old Texas neighbor than my X5! Will this hurt Moog ? Probably not, different price point and if they are building stuff the same as Behringer they deserve this! This is a fun read as a natural born german. But lets face it the Porsche is a true German invention based on creative engeneering. What is Uli Behringer creating... NOTHING he just uses copy and paste. To be fair some of the Behringer steals are great. ADA 8000 MDX 1000 Auratone Clone Behritone C 50 Bugera Guitar Amps tc Electronic.... True there is more Uli in my Studio than I want it to be. If the Moog Clone is as good as the Behritones Clones or the TC stuff - than its far away from crap. Uli’s China / German / Brit hybrid is dead in the water if the Chinese manufacturers ever learn to invest in R&D rather than simply how can we build it cheaper than we are building it for who ever is contracting us! When you consider how many companies are doing what Uli was doing years ago it is now almost an excepted business model now. If you realize with Behringer your getting cheap parts and you are the Quality Control checker its not a bad buy, if you have think your getting the real deal you will be disappointed!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 12:24:43 GMT -6
Not mine Eric. Never bought any of their gear and never will. Made that decision 20 years ago in 1998 while working at Music Village in Cambridge, and seeing their ripoffs of Mackie desks (an unbelievable amount of which came back for repair). Shortly after came all the Boss pedal clones. It's a purely moral decision on my part. I hate that company and refuse to support them.
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Post by ericn on Feb 21, 2018 13:26:57 GMT -6
Not mine Eric. Never bought any of their gear and never will. Made that decision 20 years ago in 1998 while working at Music Village in Cambridge, and seeing their ripoffs of Mackie desks (an unbelievable amount of which came back for repair). Shortly after came all the Boss pedal clones. It's a purely moral decision on my part. I hate that company and refuse to support them. Understand, and I have been there I remember Complaining to John Amsteder when we first started selling Behringer and complaining about DOA and hearing “ what do you expect when there is no QC.” The Xerox, R&D well I have been there I was completely anti Behringer, probably one of the biggest and loudest, then the guys from Midas and Turbo told me how much better off they were under Behringer.
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Post by 79sg on Feb 21, 2018 14:19:41 GMT -6
I own a real Moog Minimoog Model D, did it bother me when Behringer decided to try and clone it? Nope. First off, I've never bought and would ever buy anything they make, ever. My choice. What I find most fascinating is how people have no problem buying clones yet complain they cannot make a living doing music. No one seems to mind buying someone's original design being made by a company trying to replicate the circuit, etc. if they can get it cheap while at the same time it has become very difficult to sell the original stuff we are creating with this gear, we cry foul and wonder why. It's ironic.
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Post by drsax on Feb 21, 2018 16:04:18 GMT -6
I think the other reasoning behind Behringer’s decision to do this is that the Moog’s limited run of the Model D Reissue is coming to an end. See the link below. There’s nothing here threatening major business for Moog. Anyway - to each his own. I see it as a win for Moog and for Behringer. www.moogmusic.com/news/final-countdown-minimoog-model-d-production-ending
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Post by yotonic on Feb 21, 2018 16:20:00 GMT -6
Glad I sold my all original Mini D to Kevin Augunas the new owner of Sound City. It will continue on in good hands.
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 21, 2018 19:34:24 GMT -6
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Post by iamasound on Feb 23, 2018 3:02:11 GMT -6
Wow, the Behringer hangs right in there from what I heard in that video above. I own the Synapse Audio Legend and bought it because I thought it as a soft synth came closest to the Moog thing, but this new upstart might just be the thing that replaces it...but not because I need it, but rather because I prefer the hard over the soft if I can do it. The only thing that keeps my wallet in my pocket is the brand name which still to this day leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
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Post by M57 on Feb 23, 2018 6:10:59 GMT -6
I'm slowly coming around with Behringer.. Buying the X-Touch was a big leap for me. I'm not all that much into synths, but this one definitely has my attention. The price makes it close to a no-brainer. Did anyone else notice that the Behringer seemed a little thinner around the 125hz range?
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Post by Guitar on Feb 23, 2018 8:39:47 GMT -6
Yeah I'm hearing a much fuller bass from the Moog
The Behringer, on the other hand, sounds as good as you could want for $300. That's "Monotribe money."
Even though I prefer the Moog, it's not really on the shopping list (for obvious reasons.)
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Post by mrholmes on Feb 23, 2018 17:02:20 GMT -6
Wow, the Behringer hangs right in there from what I heard in that video above. I own the Synapse Audio Legend and bought it because I thought it as a soft synth came closest to the Moog thing, but this new upstart might just be the thing that replaces it...but not because I need it, but rather because I prefer the hard over the soft if I can do it. The only thing that keeps my wallet in my pocket is the brand name which still to this day leaves a sour taste in my mouth. If you buy cars, or electronic things, computers, or even the real Moog. You always buy China too. We call it globalization. I doubt its a great idea but thats how we live today. In other words - good luck trying not to buy China. I did try and it was a nightmare I gave up after 2 weeks.
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Post by ericn on Feb 23, 2018 17:40:47 GMT -6
Wow, the Behringer hangs right in there from what I heard in that video above. I own the Synapse Audio Legend and bought it because I thought it as a soft synth came closest to the Moog thing, but this new upstart might just be the thing that replaces it...but not because I need it, but rather because I prefer the hard over the soft if I can do it. The only thing that keeps my wallet in my pocket is the brand name which still to this day leaves a sour taste in my mouth. If you buy cars, or electronic things, computers, or even the real Moog. You always buy China too. We call it globalization. I doubt its a great idea but thats how we live today. In other words - good luck trying not to buy China. I did try and it was a nightmare I gave up after 2 weeks. I don’t think it’s about Made in China, I think he’s has a problem with the Xerox Machine R&D I respect that!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 4:47:41 GMT -6
Exactly, I don't mind where things are made, it's the design ripoff I hate. Remember they were successfully sued by a number of other audio manufactures in the past.
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Post by M57 on Feb 24, 2018 6:26:13 GMT -6
Exactly, I don't mind where things are made, it's the design ripoff I hate.. "If I didn't do it, someone else would." said the Once-ler
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Post by iamasound on Feb 25, 2018 3:50:07 GMT -6
If you buy cars, or electronic things, computers, or even the real Moog. You always buy China too. We call it globalization. I doubt its a great idea but thats how we live today. In other words - good luck trying not to buy China. I did try and it was a nightmare I gave up after 2 weeks. I don’t think it’s about Made in China, I think he’s has a problem with the Xerox Machine R&D I respect that! You are on the money when you talk country of origin not making a difference...for the most part, though there are things such as food, ceramics that my family eats off of and a few other things which are a no-go and a line that I am not willing to cross. In this case it is the "company" of origin that I can't shake off.
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Post by aremos on Feb 25, 2018 10:23:20 GMT -6
They've announced the UB-Xa, a clone of the Oberheim OB-Xa. And during the "R&D"-manufacturing process they will be interacting on GS for "suggestions".
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Post by M57 on Feb 25, 2018 10:53:53 GMT -6
They've announced the UB-Xa, a clone of the Oberheim OB-Xa. And during the "R&D"-manufacturing process they will be interacting on GS for "suggestions". Looks like it won't be coming out for another year according to THIS January 2018 article - but if there's a real world analog synth I think I REALLY want, that might be it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 12:07:01 GMT -6
During the "R&D"-manufacturing process they will be interacting on GS for "suggestions". I have a few, but I'd probably get banned.
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Post by drbill on Feb 25, 2018 12:53:11 GMT -6
Are these synths (moog, deepmind, UBXa, etc.) using real VCO's or DCO's? In other words, do they have to be TUNED, or are they always in tune. For me, any analog synth uses VCO's, NOT DCO's. When Roland started down that path, that's when the magic went out the door for me....
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Post by joseph on Feb 25, 2018 13:33:39 GMT -6
The modern Moogs like Sub37 use VCOs but don't sound vintage to me. They just have better tuning control, same with DSI Prophet 6 and OB 6, which are step up in terms of vintage character although not quite there (part of this is tuning stability and part saturation of filter), but they have other advantages as well like arp/sequencer and alternate tunings and OB 6 has full polymod and so on.
The Minimoog reissue is more vintage and the Behringer has the cheap interface but maybe 95% of sound. Low bass is not as good. Looks and feel is really important too I think on the Minimoog.
Deepmind is a DCO Juno 106 derived synth with full second OSC but the filter is more brittle sounding and the instrument feels cheap, and it doesn't have the famous analog chorus. Also the effects package is nice but I personally much prefer Lexiconish reverb and analog delays and choruses on synths.
UBXa probably more faithful copy but OBXA quite limited modulation wise. So good for regular sounds but nothing crazy.
I also doubt Behringer will nail the sound, but that's another matter.
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 24, 2018 7:45:01 GMT -6
The modern Moogs like Sub37 use VCOs but don't sound vintage to me. They just have better tuning control, same with DSI Prophet 6 and OB 6, which are step up in terms of vintage character although not quite there (part of this is tuning stability and part saturation of filter), but they have other advantages as well like arp/sequencer and alternate tunings and OB 6 has full polymod and so on. The Minimoog reissue is more vintage and the Behringer has the cheap interface but maybe 95% of sound. Low bass is not as good. Looks and feel is really important too I think on the Minimoog. Deepmind is a DCO Juno 106 derived synth with full second OSC but the filter is more brittle sounding and the instrument feels cheap, and it doesn't have the famous analog chorus. Also the effects package is nice but I personally much prefer Lexiconish reverb and analog delays and choruses on synths. UBXa probably more faithful copy but OBXA quite limited modulation wise. So good for regular sounds but nothing crazy. I also doubt Behringer will nail the sound, but that's another matter. A far as I can hear the ABs with Vinatge Moogs the differences are minor to my ear, but I am not an expert. My Moog Clone came yesterday and it sounds good to my ears, very organic more pleasing than all the plug ins I have. https%3A//soundcloud.com/andreasoberholz/led-zep-alike-moog-behringer-model-d
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