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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 9:39:36 GMT -6
Even though my U67 has been serviced regularly I've always wondered if it's performance degraded, so I was looking into buying one of the re-issues.. I originally bought mine from a liquidation auction over a decade ago, it cost about the same as a U87AI goes for today. So having a 67 I never bothered with another Neumann (until about four years ago (M149)), although over the years though I've come into contact with quite a few.. U47FET, M149, various TLM's for e.g. and I recently decided to pick up a U89I as a do all smorgasbord mic. Anyway, my point is I was in the market and it was ample chance for me to listen to new U67 clips.. For the most part (if done ok) they sound pretty much the same as my old 67, which is good but also presents me with an issue. Note: This feels a bit like a my diamond shoes are too tight remark but the problem I've got is they all sound fantastic..! The only criticism I have about the 67 is it can get a little strident in the upper registers some times, it's upper resonant frequencies in limited cases can get my ears a little bit but I'm heavily nit picking here. The other issue (now I know mine sounds as it should) is it doesn't honestly sound that much different to my U89I. Yeah I know some think the U89 is a little bit boring, but I have tube pre-amps in channel strips and after some subtle cooking to bring out the flavor we are a little too close for comfort. Of course there are subtle differences but I kinda noticed the same thing in some clips of a 1980's U87 vs. the U67 (then again the recordings weren't great and I've never had a vintage 87 in my own hands).. Now, instead of buying a replacement I think I might finally get rid of mine.. If your 67 is strident in the midrange, there are problems with it. I'd dump that thing, buy the reissue and pocket the rest. There's some clips here of a re-issue and on this example at least it sounds worse than mine.. www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end/1190361-neumann-u67-vs-87-samples.htmlI'd need to get my hands on one to really know, they're sold out at the moment but I can wait.. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 14, 2018 9:43:23 GMT -6
Did people have the reissues in November 2017? I'm pretty sure they didn't ship until like March of this year.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 10:06:25 GMT -6
Did people have the reissues in November 2017? I'm pretty sure they didn't ship until like March of this year. That's actually a really good point, my local retailer only got them in stock recently.. Don't ya just love the internet   ..! |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 14, 2018 10:18:22 GMT -6
He never specifically said it was a new one in that thread, I don't think.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 10:22:41 GMT -6
He never specifically said it was a new one in that thread, I don't think. It was posted in the long GS U67 re-issue thread, so maybe I'm wrong for assuming.. Anyway it could still be the fact mine doesn't work right but as we discussed Neumann is absurdly cheap over here generally.. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 14, 2018 10:28:06 GMT -6
Wait - Vintage 67s are going for less than the reissues in the UK?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 10:58:09 GMT -6
Wait - Vintage 67s are going for less than the reissues in the UK? Right, I don't know where I got the price for that U67 re-issues from but from searching around general retailers it's going on average $7000.00 in the UK.. Which ain't any cheaper than the US.! Sorry for any confusion there (probably should get some sleep  .. I saw a U67 go for $5500.00 the other day, not sure what condition it was in or what it came with.. There's one on E-bay right now for around $10K which seems a little OTT to me, then I've seen them go anywhere in between over the last couple of years. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 14, 2018 11:03:02 GMT -6
The reissues might go for a little cheaper in Europe considering they're manufactured there.
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 14, 2018 11:04:07 GMT -6
But I can't imagine a working vintage one would sell for that cheap.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Apr 14, 2018 12:31:13 GMT -6
I've rarely found a "vintage" 67 in a studio that sounds as good as my relatively unused 67s from the '60s. A 67 was by far the most used/abused/dropped/beat up microphone in every pro studio between 1959 and 1969. I would expect a new one to sound better in most cases.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2018 12:43:46 GMT -6
I've rarely found a "vintage" 67 in a studio that sounds as good as my relatively unused 67s from the '60s. A 67 was by far the most used/abused/dropped/beat up microphone in every pro studio between 1959 and 1969. I would expect a new one to sound better in most cases. Thanks Bob, you're most likely right and mine's probably in a similar boat.. If I can get my hands on a re-issue I'll see what happens then. |
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Post by c0rtland on Apr 16, 2018 8:17:03 GMT -6
It's here!
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Post by c0rtland on Apr 16, 2018 17:49:58 GMT -6
Sounds great. Obviously.
It's essentially interchangeable with my m269c that was reskinned by shannon. the 67 is 6db hotter with a touch more clarity when level matched.
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Post by drumhead57 on Apr 16, 2018 21:14:19 GMT -6
Sounds great. Obviously. It's essentially interchangeable with my m269c that was reskinned by shannon. the 67 is 6db hotter with a touch more clarity when level matched. You think Shannon could have a look at my 38 year old U87? or should I call Klaus? thnx Off topic, but I'll leave it |
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Post by c0rtland on Apr 16, 2018 21:45:50 GMT -6
Sounds great. Obviously. It's essentially interchangeable with my m269c that was reskinned by shannon. the 67 is 6db hotter with a touch more clarity when level matched. You think Shannon could have a look at my 38 year old U87? or should I call Klaus? thnx Off topic, but I'll leave it of course shannon could. From what I've gathered there is a substantial price difference between them. I can't vouch for klaus personally, although I have wondered myself what he could do to my pair of 87's. I estimate for him to touch them it would be as much as buying a third 87. They resell for much more as well though. Tough call. Good luck! |
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Post by Ward on Apr 17, 2018 6:53:09 GMT -6
Even though my U67 has been serviced regularly I've always wondered if it's performance degraded... If your 67 is strident in the midrange, there are problems with it. I'd dump that thing, buy the reissue and pocket the rest. The above is 'Mississipian' for "You should talk to Shannon Rhoads about servicing your mic and possibly replacing the capsule if it has degraded over time." (international translation services provided at no additional charge) |
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Post by ericn on Apr 17, 2018 7:02:25 GMT -6
Sounds great. Obviously. It's essentially interchangeable with my m269c that was reskinned by shannon. the 67 is 6db hotter with a touch more clarity when level matched. You think Shannon could have a look at my 38 year old U87? or should I call Klaus? thnx Off topic, but I'll leave it Klaus is great, but Shannon is as well and I’ll bet it gets done a lot quicker! Last time I talked to Klaus it was a very long line! |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Apr 17, 2018 11:35:33 GMT -6
FWIW 87 capsules are still in production as have been 67. Unlike AKG/Harman, they didn't cheapen them. Sennheiser has done a fine job of replacing Neumann capsules for many of us. As far as I know, a U-67 shouldn't have a higher output than a 269. Sounds like a different impedance strap or the output pad may still be in the 269's power supply.
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Post by c0rtland on Apr 17, 2018 12:51:21 GMT -6
FWIW 87 capsules are still in production as have been 67. Unlike AKG/Harman, they didn't cheapen them. Sennheiser has done a fine job of replacing Neumann capsules for many of us. As far as I know, a U-67 shouldn't have a higher output than a 269. Sounds like a different impedance strap or the output pad may still be in the 269's power supply. hmmm I wonder how I figure that out? |
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Apr 17, 2018 14:08:29 GMT -6
I think the 269 instructions may be on the Neumann site. The 50/200 Ohm output impedance straps are in the mike. The output pad is in the supply. It was added to US mikes to make them compatible with preamps designed for RCA mikes.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Apr 17, 2018 14:55:34 GMT -6
FWIW 87 capsules are still in production as have been 67. Unlike AKG/Harman, they didn't cheapen them. Sennheiser has done a fine job of replacing Neumann capsules for many of us. As far as I know, a U-67 shouldn't have a higher output than a 269. Sounds like a different impedance strap or the output pad may still be in the 269's power supply. hmmm I wonder how I figure that out? If you take the cover off the supply you can easily see it |
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Post by roundbadge on Apr 17, 2018 15:29:21 GMT -6
If your 67 is strident in the midrange, there are problems with it. I'd dump that thing, buy the reissue and pocket the rest. There's some clips here of a re-issue and on this example at least it sounds worse than mine.. www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end/1190361-neumann-u67-vs-87-samples.htmlI'd need to get my hands on one to really know, they're sold out at the moment but I can wait.. That wasn’t the re issue. I think that mic needed servicing. I’ve got the re issue here and we used it alongside 269’s and original 67’s all week Sounded great. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 18:06:26 GMT -6
That wasn’t the re issue. I think that mic needed servicing. I’ve got the re issue here and we used it alongside 269’s and original 67’s all week Sounded great. Generally second hand mic's are beatean up anyway, to buy one that's been in use for 40+ years there's not doubt (even after servicing) mine ain't exactly king of the hill anymore.. I still like it for what it's worth though  .. Be straight up though, with all the damn fantastic mic's coming out nowadays it's going to be hard to justify a new 67 even if it is my all time favourite.. |
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Post by roundbadge on Apr 17, 2018 18:51:41 GMT -6
That wasn’t the re issue. I think that mic needed servicing. I’ve got the re issue here and we used it alongside 269’s and original 67’s all week Sounded great. Generally second hand mic's are beatean up anyway, to buy one that's been in use for 40+ years there's not doubt (even after servicing) mine ain't exactly king of the hill anymore.. I still like it for what it's worth though .. Be straight up though, with all the damn fantastic mic's coming out nowadays it's going to be hard to justify a new 67 even if it is my all time favourite.. Lots of affordable good mics I just haven’t found anyone to nail a 67. The max mod I tried twice was so dark.. to me unusable |
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Post by Johnkenn on Apr 17, 2018 19:00:23 GMT -6
You're not helping my gas
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