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Post by dandeurloo on Dec 16, 2013 12:34:51 GMT -6
I've had a number of speakers. Dyn BM6a's, KRK's, 824's, SE Eggs and have demoed lots of others. I have used the Dynaudio BM12 passives and BM15's a lot as well. I never liked them enough to buy them for myself. I ended up finally grabbing some ProAc's with a great Class D amp. I should have done that the first time.
I am still looking for another set of speakers. Something full range. I have demoed lots of the 7-8k range speakers and so far the only ones I liked are the ATC's. I wanted to like the SM9's but they are honestly very lame for the price. I haven't been that impressed by Focal. I really wish I did like that stuff. Anyway, for that kind of money I am not in hurry to just buy something. My ProAc's are filling the need until I find the right speakers.
BTW, I bought the ProAc's and plan on keeping them even when I get the second pair of full range speakers. When in doubt buy some proac's and a great amp. I should have done it the first time like my friends told me to.
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Post by unit7 on Dec 16, 2013 16:55:35 GMT -6
Adam S2X + Sub10 in a well treated room. To me they have a good balance between analytical/revealing and inspirational. You have to struggle some to get a mix to sound good, and I'm rarely dissapointed when I listen to my mixes on other systems, quite the contrary. man Paul, i'd love to spend a couple days watching you pushing faders on your harrison(never used one). That space of yours sounds killer, every time i've heard your stuff, or you mention some piece, my outer ears tweak back lol I'd totally invite myself , but Socal-Stockholm? $3,500?? air fare mehhh.. Thanks Tony!! Welcome anytime. But a short visit in my studio would be more than enough, I promise. Instead I'd recommend the unbelievably beautiful archipelag on the east coast outside Stockholm, and also back packing way up north in the summer with the midnight sun and all. One of the more exotic things you can do here.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 16, 2013 23:05:15 GMT -6
Thanks IAJG, much appreciated, I've been slogging away at the DAW lately, and it's been slow going. I'm looking forward to getting on the other side of a few projects
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Post by sozocaps on Dec 17, 2013 14:54:17 GMT -6
How would the Sub6 work with my Solo's, would I use it for tracking only ? the sub6 is amazing but focal makes other subs at different price points. You may find that the cms is better for you or that you do not want or need what sub6 offers....crossover control and foot pedal that cuts sub brings mains back to full range etc. I think Focals are the shit that killed elvis though (cowboycoalminers phrase). Is the shit that killed Elvis" good or bad... Is "the shit that killed Elvis" good or bad... LOL???
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Post by crash on Dec 18, 2013 13:39:02 GMT -6
Here is the current rig. There is a 10" Tapco sub not pictured that fire with the NS-10's. The Hr-824's have been retired to the mac where I sling mixes to post for client approval. In the closet are Tannoy 6.5s and an old set of Alesis Monitor Two. I think there is another set or two of the Auratones back there too.
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Post by cenafria on Dec 19, 2013 4:36:50 GMT -6
IPL transmission line speakersI get on great with these guys. Powered with a Bryston power amp. I've worked with several of their speakers: I like how they sound, they translate well. Accurate but not flattering. The transmission line bottom end makes more sense to me than the subwoofers I've listened to.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 20, 2013 11:01:10 GMT -6
PMC's just arrived in the mail. Scheduled to arrive on Dec. 30, they showed today instead. Can't complain about that.
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Post by IamJohnGalt on Dec 22, 2013 14:00:30 GMT -6
the sub6 is amazing but focal makes other subs at different price points. You may find that the cms is better for you or that you do not want or need what sub6 offers....crossover control and foot pedal that cuts sub brings mains back to full range etc. I think Focals are the shit that killed elvis though (cowboycoalminers phrase). Is the shit that killed Elvis" good or bad... Is "the shit that killed Elvis" good or bad... LOL??? Haha....oh its good man....really good.
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Post by jazznoise on Dec 22, 2013 14:56:02 GMT -6
Is "the shit that killed Elvis" good or bad... LOL??? Haha....oh its good man....really good. Who doesn't love a good burger?
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Post by Guitar on Dec 22, 2013 16:31:09 GMT -6
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Post by Guitar on Dec 22, 2013 16:37:41 GMT -6
KRK V6 II for the longest time, they are a good reference. Not the prettiest sound, can get fatiguing, but I know them pretty well at this point, and they don't hide things.
I also check on Avantone Mixcube, and two sets of computer speakers, and I've now got some Polk stereo speakers in the room for casual listening.
I'd like to mess with some NS10 to see what the fuss is all about...
Only other proper monitor I've tried is the HS80M and I just hated those things.
OH I FORGOT just got some AKG702 which are the best headphones I've ever heard, and actually revealing of mix details and quality.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 23, 2013 10:51:23 GMT -6
FWIW, those old KRKs are Focal drivers and design.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 25, 2013 22:34:28 GMT -6
PMC's just arrived in the mail. Scheduled to arrive on Dec. 30, they showed today instead. Can't complain about that. I just set up these PMC's in my room and spent about an hour listening to different tracks. A/B ing with my Series 2 KRK V8's. These two speakers couldn't be any more different. Much better definition in the bottom with the PMC's. More punch in the low end. Better extension. Lot darker overall though. The KRK tweeters are super hot compared to the PMC's. The top is much more laid back with the PMC's. Less fatigue. I've always struggled getting the low end to be clear and punchy with the KRK's and seemed to mix dark. Only time and some mixes will tell, but I think these PMC's will translate much easier for me.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 26, 2013 11:01:10 GMT -6
PMCs and ATCs have both always struck me as being a bit dark.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2013 17:25:07 GMT -6
John K.
you mentioned the quality of the Emotiva amps, have you considered trying a speaker from them?
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 26, 2013 17:48:52 GMT -6
I heard the really cheap Airmotiv 6s just last week...and didn't think they sounded that great. Keep in mind, though, those are probably marketed to compete with m-audio and Sampson...so, how do you judge that? I had nothing to compare them to either. I've heard the stealth line sounds really good. I wouldn't doubt it for a second. I've been impressed with a lot of their products. That DC-1 DAC is an incredible value. I think I've finally decided that the Apogee is more true, but the dc-1 sounds fantastic.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2013 22:00:20 GMT -6
Thanks John. Interesting about the Stealth. I kind of half-expect a sleeper.
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Post by svart on Dec 30, 2013 8:51:08 GMT -6
PMC's just arrived in the mail. Scheduled to arrive on Dec. 30, they showed today instead. Can't complain about that. I just set up these PMC's in my room and spent about an hour listening to different tracks. A/B ing with my Series 2 KRK V8's. These two speakers couldn't be any more different. Much better definition in the bottom with the PMC's. More punch in the low end. Better extension. Lot darker overall though. The KRK tweeters are super hot compared to the PMC's. The top is much more laid back with the PMC's. Less fatigue. I've always struggled getting the low end to be clear and punchy with the KRK's and seemed to mix dark. Only time and some mixes will tell, but I think these PMC's will translate much easier for me. I really hate KRK speakers. I bash them all the time and people seem to love them, but I find that folks who use KRK usually haven't heard better speakers. I have this theory that KRK speakers are made super scooped so that the low-end-gear folks hear something more lively from their gear, which sells more speakers to others once the "glowing" reviews come out on internet forums.. I've always found that hearing higher-end monitors for the first time leaves the listener with the impression that they are "darker" and more "tight" sounding. The fact is that they are normal sounding while the KRK are "shrill" and "flabby", which gives the illusion of detail and smears the low end so that you can't hear all the distortions. Anyway, I'm glad you have experienced good monitors and hope your mixes are tons better now.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 30, 2013 9:34:57 GMT -6
I just set up these PMC's in my room and spent about an hour listening to different tracks. A/B ing with my Series 2 KRK V8's. These two speakers couldn't be any more different. Much better definition in the bottom with the PMC's. More punch in the low end. Better extension. Lot darker overall though. The KRK tweeters are super hot compared to the PMC's. The top is much more laid back with the PMC's. Less fatigue. I've always struggled getting the low end to be clear and punchy with the KRK's and seemed to mix dark. Only time and some mixes will tell, but I think these PMC's will translate much easier for me. I really hate KRK speakers. I bash them all the time and people seem to love them, but I find that folks who use KRK usually haven't heard better speakers. I have this theory that KRK speakers are made super scooped so that the low-end-gear folks hear something more lively from their gear, which sells more speakers to others once the "glowing" reviews come out on internet forums.. I've always found that hearing higher-end monitors for the first time leaves the listener with the impression that they are "darker" and more "tight" sounding. The fact is that they are normal sounding while the KRK are "shrill" and "flabby", which gives the illusion of detail and smears the low end so that you can't hear all the distortions. Anyway, I'm glad you have experienced good monitors and hope your mixes are tons better now. I agree with all of this. I've logged many hours on NS10's, Genelecs, Dynaudio, and big full range systems, but never in my space against the KRK's. Shrill and flabby are perfect descriptions for the KRK, but never realized HOW exaggerated they were until I got the PMC's. This week I'm going to pull out the KRK's and get my Dayton DIY pair set up to compare. Looking forward to that as well.
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Post by svart on Dec 30, 2013 9:48:36 GMT -6
I think I've come up with these ideas because I've dealt with a lot of artists who attempt recording their own stuff, and typically use the cheapest KRK monitors from GC.. But they always complain about their mix sounding good on their monitors but sounding dull on everything else.. (The hallmark of a scooped system IMHO..) and when they hear my monitors they always mention how dull they sound, partly because when they tracked they based their settings on the KRK sound which dulls down the track some, and then my monitors being flat too, which makes it even more dull sounding. It's a hard thing to work around too, mainly because artists seem to have this perception that they'll get radio-quality sound right away and that things will "mix themselves" if they only get good tones. It's like they read too much Purple Site(TM) or something..
I just recently talked with an artist who is dead set on recording themselves. They came into a few dollars and wanted to buy some gear. They asked me what mic or preamp to buy.. So naturally I told them they should buy monitors, because what mic and preamp they buy doesn't matter if they can't hear what's going on. I could tell they weren't sure how to take my reply, but ultimately they started asking what monitors to buy.. Higher end KRK than what they had, or something else.. While I suggested a few things, I think they ultimately found a set of Yammy MSP5 for a decent deal.
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Post by henge on Dec 30, 2013 9:57:13 GMT -6
Yamaha HS80m's. Love these guys. They just work for me and I know them well!;-)
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Dec 30, 2013 10:12:37 GMT -6
KRK is no longer the same company at all.
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Post by winetree on Dec 30, 2013 20:44:15 GMT -6
One of the smaller protools, V/O rooms. There's a switchcraft speaker selector. Below the desk is a passive 2-15" sub woofer. Everything's powered by an ADCOM GFA 555 power amp.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 30, 2013 21:16:29 GMT -6
One of the smaller protools, V/O rooms. There's a switchcraft speaker selector. Below the desk is a passive 2-15" sub woofer. Everything's powered by an ADCOM GFA 555 power amp. View AttachmentYou. Need. More. Speakers. Haha
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Post by svart on Dec 31, 2013 7:46:30 GMT -6
Ha. Honestly I see no need for so many speakers of the same relative size. A pair of big'uns, medium and small should be totally sufficient to cover all the necessary playback options I would think..
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