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Post by brenta on Dec 5, 2019 17:06:58 GMT -6
The reissue mode sounds great there, Vincent. Thanks for posting.
So do you have a TLM67 and an 87ai? Have you tried the MK67 in both to see if one of your mics happens to have a slightly better capsule?
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 5, 2019 19:30:11 GMT -6
The reissue mode sounds great there, Vincent. Thanks for posting. So do you have a TLM67 and an 87ai? Have you tried the MK67 in both to see if one of your mics happens to have a slightly better capsule? I have a U87ai, but also picked up the TLM67 Circuit a while back. It’s been nice to have, but I’ll probably sell it soon. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 7, 2019 8:37:26 GMT -6
I've had the new kit and have played with it a bit over the last few days. I have to say this new Reissue mode is what I've been looking for. I had been very curious about putting the Neumann BV12 into the kit, but I'm very happy with what I'm getting so far with this Reissue mode and I may just get a nice EF86 and be done with it. I have to try it on my wife and some instruments. My wife's voice actually sounded dynamite on the original kit I had in a crooning context, but in opera it sounded a bit dull. I'm excited to try her on the new reissue mode, because it's a little less dense in the low mids with just a touch more air. I think it will be a good combo.
I'll have a buddy of mine play some acoustic through it the next time he's here too and muscle through some Mandolin through it myself sometime next week (I'm a beginner and not very good, but it will still give me an idea of how it sounds). Will also be recording some Saxophone for my Christmas Album in the next month or two. I'll throw up this kit and my FleA 49 for the session. Chances are I'll use the FleA 49 on the album, because it's a featured part and will sound bigger. That's due to the nature of the 49 sound vs the 67 sound, not the kit. Still, it will be really nice to hear it. I'll keep everyone posted.
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Post by chessparov on Dec 9, 2019 23:11:01 GMT -6
On your last clips Vincent...
MK67 RI clear 1st.
TLM67 Runnerup.
On the cheap(er), I really like the TLM67.
Chris
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 10, 2019 6:05:19 GMT -6
On your last clips Vincent... MK67 RI clear 1st. TLM67 Runnerup. On the cheap(er), I really like the TLM67. Chris I really like them too. The TLM67 did me really well for the year or so I had it. There are some great clips of it on Audiotestkitchen and I prefer the TLM67 to a lot of the cheaper 67 tribute mics. |
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Post by brenta on Dec 11, 2019 7:02:09 GMT -6
I received my MK67 and did some preliminary testing with it. Sounds great, if not exactly how I remember the 67’s I’ve used sounding.
The reissue mode is nice; I can see it working well in dense sounding mixes, and was way better than regular mode on acoustic guitar.. I’m glad I went with an 87ai instead of a TLM67. The 87 covers a lot of ground that the MK67 doesn’t and will still see a lot of use. 3 excellent and different sounding mics in one, and I feel like there’s not much I couldn’t record with them.
I’ve got a Neumann transformer on the way. Later down the road perhaps a different tube.
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Post by brenta on Dec 20, 2019 18:17:40 GMT -6
I've gotten to use the MK67 on a few more sources. Paired with an SM57 on a Marshall amp it sounded massive. I prefer my Barbaric M49 to the MK67 on my voice and acoustic guitar, whether on regular mode or reissue mode. I still need to try it on a female vocalist. I'm going to swap to the Neumann transformer soon, I think.
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 23, 2019 18:37:12 GMT -6
I caved. My MK67 kit was sent to indiehouse who modded the kit with the Neumann BV12, removed the reissue mode, reinstalled the low cut, and also installed a NOS Siemens MKL output capacitor recommended to him by Klaus. Basically, if this doesn’t cure my 67 lust than I must not really want a 67. Lol. Will still need to grab a Telefunken EF86 down the road. I’ll see how it does with the Phillips PF86 it came with for a bit. Should be back here on Friday. Clips and thoughts will follow. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 23, 2019 21:50:33 GMT -6
I had the Telefunken EF86, and I honestly don't think it's the holy grail. It has a sound, but you may just prefer other tubes. You just have to try it. Can't wait to hear your opinion with the Neumann transformer. Good luck Vincent.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 23, 2019 23:22:01 GMT -6
Sorry brain dead is this the Neumann reissue or Max’s updated build ?
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 23, 2019 23:35:55 GMT -6
I had the Telefunken EF86, and I honestly don't think it's the holy grail. It has a sound, but you may just prefer other tubes. You just have to try it. Can't wait to hear your opinion with the Neumann transformer. Good luck Vincent. I had one in my original kit when you tried it. It didn’t solve the issue I had with the kit in general, so I won’t really know until I try one in this kit. They’e more expensive these days though. I keep going back to this video and listening and for me the Telefunken seems to give more clarity and detail, while extending the lows a bit. We’ll see. I’m going to use the Phillips PF86 it came with for a little bit. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 23, 2019 23:36:42 GMT -6
Sorry brain dead is this the Neumann reissue or Max’s updated build ? If you’re asking me, it’s the max mod kit. I just had it upgraded. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 24, 2019 2:58:38 GMT -6
Thx, that is what I thought, the new kit is essentially voicing the mike differently, less dark ?
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Post by ragan on Dec 24, 2019 4:43:21 GMT -6
Thx, that is what I thought, the new kit is essentially voicing the mike differently, less dark ? It offers a brighter mode, switched by the HPF switch. But its ‘normal’ mode is the same. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 24, 2019 5:23:15 GMT -6
Thx, so classic and more contemporary?
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 24, 2019 8:04:22 GMT -6
Thx, so classic and more contemporary? Here are the Cliffs Notes: Max’ earlier kit had a vintage mode and a linear mode which completely bypassed the de-emphasis circuit. His new kit has a reissue mode that is going for the newer slightly more open sound of the new U67 reissue. This has replaced the linear mode. The vintage mode is often criticized by many, including myself, for having a darker top end by nearly 3db and a low mid push that the U67 doesn’t have. Many still love the sound of the mic. For some it is a bit too dark and even dull. The new reissue mode is an attempt to correct this a bit and I think it does so well. Someone on the purple site pointed out the main difference between the reissue mode and the actual reissue was more a color than a frequency response. So I opted to install the BV12 by Neumann that I had purchased a while back. We’ll see. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 24, 2019 9:31:30 GMT -6
That was a really well done shootout! Thanks Vincent. I thought the Telefunken EF86 won that, with the Valvo a close second. The new Neumann Russian EF86 was actually closer to the Telefunken EF86, but sounded "plainer" to me, for lack of a better word.
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 24, 2019 22:24:46 GMT -6
Martin John Butler I thought so too. Since my MK67 will be nearly part for part the same as the reissue and by all accounts sound virtually identical I keep coming back to this video. I don’t mind the genelex either. If you found the mic to be overly bright I imagine it would do the trick. I’ve had great luck with Mullard Tubes in the past. I also think it would probably tame the BLUE Bottle if I ever upgrade to it from my Bottle Rocket Stage II, but that is another story for another purchase.
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Post by Ward on Dec 27, 2019 0:13:56 GMT -6
I had the Telefunken EF86, and I honestly don't think it's the holy grail. It has a sound, but you may just prefer other tubes. You just have to try it. Can't wait to hear your opinion with the Neumann transformer. Good luck Vincent. I had one in my original kit when you tried it. It didn’t solve the issue I had with the kit in general, so I won’t really know until I try one in this kit. They’e more expensive these days though. I keep going back to this video and listening and for me the Telefunken seems to give more clarity and detail, while extending the lows a bit. We’ll see. I’m going to use the Phillips PF86 it came with for a little bit. I’m still firmly convinced my 1960 Telefunken EF806s blows all these away. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 27, 2019 7:44:31 GMT -6
I had one in my original kit when you tried it. It didn’t solve the issue I had with the kit in general, so I won’t really know until I try one in this kit. They’e more expensive these days though. I keep going back to this video and listening and for me the Telefunken seems to give more clarity and detail, while extending the lows a bit. We’ll see. I’m going to use the Phillips PF86 it came with for a little bit. I’m still firmly convinced my 1960 Telefunken EF806s blows all these away. Did you get it through Bowie or somewhere else? I was looking at some EF806s, but they re very expensive. |
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Post by ericn on Dec 27, 2019 8:47:32 GMT -6
I had one in my original kit when you tried it. It didn’t solve the issue I had with the kit in general, so I won’t really know until I try one in this kit. They’e more expensive these days though. I keep going back to this video and listening and for me the Telefunken seems to give more clarity and detail, while extending the lows a bit. We’ll see. I’m going to use the Phillips PF86 it came with for a little bit. I’m still firmly convinced my 1960 Telefunken EF806s blows all these away. I don’t doubt it. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 27, 2019 23:17:16 GMT -6
Ok. So I added a take of the MK67 with the Neumann transformer to the folder above. It's labeled "MK U67" I used the same signal chain as before (Dan Alexander 1272). Same approx spot in my room, same approx distance from the mic, MK67, MK67 RI, and MK U67 are all using the same capsule (U87ai) and using the stock Valvo PF86. I've also included my BLUE Bottle Rocket Stage II w/B11 cap and the TLM67 (also same capsule). Thanks indiehouse. I'm curious what everyone thinks. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 28, 2019 9:52:39 GMT -6
Can't listen at the moment, what did you think of the Neumann transformer Vincent?
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Post by brenta on Dec 28, 2019 11:00:31 GMT -6
Thanks for posting this, Vincent. Your shootouts are always great.
The Neumann transformer seems to clean up a tiny bit of mud that remained with the reissue mode, and the color is ever so slightly different. It's also slightly smoother than the reissue mode. The Blue Bottle Rocket with B11 Cap is in the same family for sure. The TLM67 sounds different but holds its own. Almost a more refined sound.
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 28, 2019 13:58:02 GMT -6
Can't listen at the moment, what did you think of the Neumann transformer Vincent? brenta said a lot of what I think. I described it to indiehouse and mike as if a veil had been removed. I do have some issues with it, but it's the same issues a bunch of us have discussed about the reissue itself, which is what I think this sounds like. I think it could have a little more bottom end. I'm going to try a tube swap and see if that helps. I could also reach out to Klaus for a capsule tweak, but I'm not ready for that yet. I also think man, if my capsule is on the bright side how dark would the MK67 be with a darker capsule... I did like the reissue, but man the mic like this really sits in a mix well.
Brenta I really like the BLUE. It's a little thicker sounding than the MK U67. I've even debated getting a second one, but I may have to try the big bottle before doing that and see if its worth upgrading first. lol.
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