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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 15, 2017 22:24:06 GMT -6
For a thread on U67's, I'm a bit surprised at the minimal chatter surrounding the new STAM offering, and the fact that it's on sale this month... I've never used anything STAM, so I cannot comment on track record. I know that his delivery has sometimes not been as fast as folks have liked...but those who use his stuff have seemed to like it. SO? Is the STAM U67 not on your radar? I feel as though there's no "defacto" U67 out there other than an original. Compared to the U47, where many will direct you to Flea or Wunder and be done with it... Sooo, shouldn't we be stoked for a "like for like" U67 clone? Forgive me if I missed some of this in the last 26 pages; I've browsed, but didn't really catch it if it was discussed. Cheers! It's here a few pages back. It kind of came out of no where and most of us were still talking about his SA-47. I'm interested in demoing one and making a video with it. I've spoken with stam a couple of times about demoing a few of his mics, but we have yet to figure any of it out. Of all his mics, this is the one I'd want to try. Also, I found my be all end all vocal mic for my voice and it ended up being an M49, so I'm not on a crazy 67 kick anymore. Frankly, If I hadn't tried an M269C and gotten an itch for something in that vein I probably would have tried to check out the Stam SA67. Instead I opted to try out the RMS 269 and wait to hear what people think of the SA67 first, or until I can get my hands on one. |
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Post by jakeharris on Dec 15, 2017 22:51:03 GMT -6
It's a bit of a faith based system, operated large scale, masquerading as a small company.....that needs all funding up front...to go into development and acquisitions....the audio world is littered with the carcasses of much smaller startups who took money for theoretical product based on a single prototype....so far he's delivered which is a notch in his favor, but it only takes one going wrong for the party to be over. I don't like the risk assessment, and I've lived a lot of risky audio deals, and will continue to do so. YMMV..... The deposits he takes, they don't even cover the cost of the capsules. In any of his mics... Jus sayin. |
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Post by EmRR on Dec 15, 2017 22:53:12 GMT -6
It's a bit of a faith based system, operated large scale, masquerading as a small company.....that needs all funding up front...to go into development and acquisitions....the audio world is littered with the carcasses of much smaller startups who took money for theoretical product based on a single prototype....so far he's delivered which is a notch in his favor, but it only takes one going wrong for the party to be over. I don't like the risk assessment, and I've lived a lot of risky audio deals, and will continue to do so. YMMV..... The deposits he takes, they don't even cover the cost of the capsules. In any of his mics... Jus sayin. A lotta dudes have taken a lot of deposits over the years, and vanished unexpectedly. Jus sayin. |
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Post by jakeharris on Dec 15, 2017 23:07:36 GMT -6
You miss the point: his deposits don't cover his development or acquisition of parts. All funding up front isn't what's happening here.
And if he fails to deliver a product, or he runs off into the sunset with $10K worth of deposits he skilfully snatched from 50 people, you would personally only lose $200...
Not exactly need a new mortgage style risk.
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Post by EmRR on Dec 16, 2017 0:09:03 GMT -6
Yeah, I heard you. I'm still not sending any funds to South America on terms longer than a Paypal claim, and I'd never advise anyone else to do so either. You have a product I want that's ready to ship? Totally different.
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 16, 2017 0:38:29 GMT -6
I'm on the fence about all this as well, EmRR. I've loved what I've heard of the gear Stam makes and enjoyed trying his SA73. I think I'd rather wait till he has it in stock and pay the few extra bucks than sit around for a few months hoping it comes. I hope he sorts all this out, because it looks like the quality of his products and the results of his R&D are really top notch. |
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Post by robertg on Dec 16, 2017 9:46:25 GMT -6
The one thing about the STAM 67 that gives me pause is the EF-86 tube. Not because of the sound (I believe this is why Neumann used in the U-67). It’s because of my experience with the EF-86 in my original Lawson L-47 mic. I kept having to replace tube as each EF-86 would only last a few months. I remember Gene Lawson said they were great sounding tubes but notorious for having issues. He changed his design to use another tube eventually. Perhaps it’s not that simple, and the tube can be reliable with certain designs but that was my experience. Hey, anyone wanna but a couple of Russian “spare” EF-86 tubes I still have?
Peace
Robert
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 16, 2017 11:17:28 GMT -6
The one thing about the STAM 67 that gives me pause is the EF-86 tube. Not because of the sound (I believe this is why Neumann used in the U-67). It’s because of my experience with the EF-86 in my original Lawson L-47 mic. I kept having to replace tube as each EF-86 would only last a few months. I remember Gene Lawson said they were great sounding tubes but notorious for having issues. He changed his design to use another tube eventually. Perhaps it’s not that simple, and the tube can be reliable with certain designs but that was my experience. Hey, anyone wanna but a couple of Russian “spare” EF-86 tubes I still have? Peace Robert I had not heard that about the EF86, however his use of the EF86 is part of the appeal for that microphone as the tube is a part of the signature sound. |
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Post by jeremygillespie on Dec 16, 2017 13:39:51 GMT -6
The one thing about the STAM 67 that gives me pause is the EF-86 tube. Not because of the sound (I believe this is why Neumann used in the U-67). It’s because of my experience with the EF-86 in my original Lawson L-47 mic. I kept having to replace tube as each EF-86 would only last a few months. I remember Gene Lawson said they were great sounding tubes but notorious for having issues. He changed his design to use another tube eventually. Perhaps it’s not that simple, and the tube can be reliable with certain designs but that was my experience. Hey, anyone wanna but a couple of Russian “spare” EF-86 tubes I still have? Peace Robert We’ve got 3 67’s. All of them have original tubes aside from 1 which we just replaced about a month ago. The EF86 doesn’t seem to be the problem, as far as I can tell. |
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Post by paulcheeba on Dec 17, 2017 2:29:22 GMT -6
The one thing about the STAM 67 that gives me pause is the EF-86 tube. Not because of the sound (I believe this is why Neumann used in the U-67). It’s because of my experience with the EF-86 in my original Lawson L-47 mic. I kept having to replace tube as each EF-86 would only last a few months. I remember Gene Lawson said they were great sounding tubes but notorious for having issues. He changed his design to use another tube eventually. Perhaps it’s not that simple, and the tube can be reliable with certain designs but that was my experience. Hey, anyone wanna but a couple of Russian “spare” EF-86 tubes I still have? Peace Robert |
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Post by paulcheeba on Dec 17, 2017 2:29:53 GMT -6
Tube wise the other option is the longer life, quieter EF806s. This was what Andreas Grosser sent me after servicing my U67.
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Post by stormymondays on Dec 17, 2017 5:35:14 GMT -6
Hey paulcheeba - welcome to RGO!!! I've been reading your contributions to "the other forum" for a long time. I used to have an account there until I got into a riffraff with an "untouchable" manufacturer...  |
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Post by hadaja on Dec 17, 2017 7:34:54 GMT -6
Yep 2nd ef86 tube I have replaced in my a designs mp1 preamp. I too have read about ef86 problems but they are not expensive to replace. Going through 2 of these in the last 7 x years is not that bad.
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Post by paulcheeba on Dec 17, 2017 16:31:46 GMT -6
Hey paulcheeba - welcome to RGO!!! I've been reading your contributions to "the other forum" for a long time. I used to have an account there until I got into a riffraff with an "untouchable" manufacturer... Hey Mate, I'm not surprised. That place is out of control. Nice to be here and thanks for the greeting. Hi everyone! |
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Post by Mister Chase on Dec 19, 2017 22:04:07 GMT -6
Hey paulcheeba - welcome to RGO!!! I've been reading your contributions to "the other forum" for a long time. I used to have an account there until I got into a riffraff with an "untouchable" manufacturer... I almost got banned for honestly no good reason by the one and only you-know-who chief ****head there. That place blows. Let's hear it for RGO!!! |
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Post by drbill on Dec 19, 2017 22:30:43 GMT -6
Tube wise the other option is the longer life, quieter EF806s. This was what Andreas Grosser sent me after servicing my U67. Hi Paul!! bp |
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Post by Vincent R. on Jun 18, 2018 21:09:44 GMT -6
So I figured I'd post this here. I'm in the beginning of recording my Christmas Album and have been going back and forth between the FleA 49 and my 67 style mics; my TLM67 and my BLUE Bottle Rocket Stage II with the new B11 style capsule. It's really style dependent with the American songbook Christmas classics using the FleA 49 and the more operatic selections with one of the 67s.
I have to say the BLUE really does have the 67ish sound. Not quite as dark as my old MK67 kit, but darker than the TLM67. I felt like I should mention it here in case any of you are into the BLUE interchangeable series and are looking for your 67 style mic. Personally I think the TLM67 works a little better for my voice, but the B11 does a fine job with a little more EQ. Admittedly I am a fan of the Stage II. I don't like the cap as much on the Stage I. It's not as 3 dimensional. I posted clips on the BLUE Capsule thread if you are interested.
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Post by Ward on Jun 19, 2018 8:48:05 GMT -6
Shannon got a CV4 extremely close to a vintage 67 in my opinion. And for about $5000 cheaper. Two more options are Shannon's 251s he's making and the Upton 251. This question has been percolating in me for a while now... Do you (anyone reading, not specifically our fearless leader) find a U67 similar to an ELA M251 ? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 19, 2018 9:52:39 GMT -6
Shannon got a CV4 extremely close to a vintage 67 in my opinion. And for about $5000 cheaper. Two more options are Shannon's 251s he's making and the Upton 251. This question has been percolating in me for a while now... Do you (anyone reading, not specifically our fearless leader) find a U67 similar to an ELA M251 ? No |
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Post by Ward on Jun 19, 2018 9:57:21 GMT -6
This question has been percolating in me for a while now... Do you (anyone reading, not specifically our fearless leader) find a U67 similar to an ELA M251 ? No Ok, thank you, and Thank GOD Almighty. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 19, 2018 10:40:32 GMT -6
Not at all. One is Thor's hammer, one a soft lambskin glove.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 19, 2018 10:47:28 GMT -6
Not at all. One is Thor's hammer, one a soft lambskin glove. Which is which? |
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Post by Vincent R. on Jun 19, 2018 11:17:54 GMT -6
Shannon got a CV4 extremely close to a vintage 67 in my opinion. And for about $5000 cheaper. Two more options are Shannon's 251s he's making and the Upton 251. This question has been percolating in me for a while now... Do you (anyone reading, not specifically our fearless leader) find a U67 similar to an ELA M251 ? In general no. Maybe a modded U67 might come close, but it would still have it's own sound. |
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 19, 2018 11:23:50 GMT -6
Shannon got a CV4 extremely close to a vintage 67 in my opinion. And for about $5000 cheaper. Two more options are Shannon's 251s he's making and the Upton 251. This question has been percolating in me for a while now... Do you (anyone reading, not specifically our fearless leader) find a U67 similar to an ELA M251 ? I had my MK67 up against an Upton 251. Really different sounding mics. |
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Post by spindrift on Jun 19, 2018 11:27:46 GMT -6
K67 vs. CK12. The capsules are the difference in sound.
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