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Post by indiehouse on Nov 18, 2016 21:28:51 GMT -6
So, every so often, SOME of my hardware inserts latency goes completely rogue. I've got my Kick and Snare routed out through my EQ-2NV, and the delay compensation isn't working. I hear it, and when I record it back in, I can see it. Now, here's the thing. It was working last night. And the night before. And the night before. Same session. Same routing. Didn't change a damn thing. It's f**king maddening. /rant
So, what am I doing wrong? I'm on PT11, 2012 Mac Mini & BF Apollo 16. My drum bus is routed out through a Serpent SB4001 and my 2buss is routed out through a hardware chain.
My delay compensation engine is set to maximum. But like I said, this has all been working. I literally didn't change a thing. I fire it up tonight, and it's shit.
WTF?
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 18, 2016 21:50:48 GMT -6
Yeah, ALL of my inserts are off. It's like the HW delay compensation isn't even working.
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Post by ragan on Nov 18, 2016 21:56:52 GMT -6
Damn. I don't have any insight but that sounds maddening.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 19, 2016 1:54:12 GMT -6
Frustrating as fuck but is it just and always the channels going through the eq ?
If so, isn't it digitally controlled, any possibility of an odd interaction bug ? what if you bypass it while tracking what happens ?
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 19, 2016 6:35:07 GMT -6
Frustrating as fuck but is it just and always the channels going through the eq ? If so, isn't it digitally controlled, any possibility of an odd interaction bug ? what if you bypass it while tracking what happens ? I'm mixing, and it's not just the EQ. The bass being sent to my RS124 is delayed also. I printed the tracks, and I can see that they are not lining up.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 19, 2016 7:39:46 GMT -6
I can't ever freaking count on PT either. On a positive note, that RS124 is a bass machine.
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Post by Randge on Nov 19, 2016 7:48:27 GMT -6
Cough cough..Cubase...cough cough...
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Post by spock on Nov 19, 2016 8:41:15 GMT -6
So, every so often, SOME of my hardware inserts latency goes completely rogue. I've got my Kick and Snare routed out through my EQ-2NV, and the delay compensation isn't working. I hear it, and when I record it back in, I can see it. Now, here's the thing. It was working last night. And the night before. And the night before. Same session. Same routing. Didn't change a damn thing. It's f**king maddening. /rant So, what am I doing wrong? I'm on PT11, 2012 Mac Mini & BF Apollo 16. My drum bus is routed out through a Serpent SB4001 and my 2buss is routed out through a hardware chain. My delay compensation engine is set to maximum. But like I said, this has all been working. I literally didn't change a thing. I fire it up tonight, and it's shit. WTF? There's a way you can ping out from PT to your outboard to measure the latency, and then try shifting by that amount after. Can you at least try and measure it?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 19, 2016 8:43:46 GMT -6
I have no idea how to even begin working up a hybrid system, but I plan to do it at some point. I've never used Pro Tools, and I'm glad I never did. There's way too much confusion, different platform levels and odd upgrade structures, and basically, it seems to me, too much money for beta test upgrades.
I've used Logic since day one. I paid $200 over 4 years ago, have gotten a dozen useful upgrades, the basic plug-in suites rivals anyones, (their compressors are still my go to, and I've got a dozen others to choose from). They've given me a boatload of orchestral instruments, (not that I need them), 20 good drum kits, and any issues I've had, were typically my fault because I didn't understand something.
My only complaint is that Flex Pitch creates artifacts. It's mostly where there's a glissando, and it separates that part into different notes. Though there may be a workaround that I haven't found yet.
I've never used Cubase, but I've rarely heard anything negative about it. I'd love to see every studio have all the platforms instead of just Pro Tools.
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 19, 2016 9:06:31 GMT -6
Cough cough..Cubase...cough cough... Yeah, that's where I'm headed. I'm not on board with the PT subscription deal. I'm slow to make the move cause I know I've got to lay out the cash for cubase, and learn a new DAW. I'm pretty fast on PT just because I've been using it so long. I'm gonna have to relearn a bunch of new shortcuts and stuff.
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Post by jin167 on Nov 19, 2016 9:07:04 GMT -6
Delay compensation on PT HD is quite robust but on the native version, latency has to be set manually like spock said. I tend to stay away from automatic delay compensation on any DAW except for PT HD.
While working with PT native I came across situations where delay compensation goes wack after experiencing error messages like 'running out of cpu' or 'disk not fast enough'. Once it happens the only solution is to restart the PT and it was a real PITA.
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 19, 2016 9:08:04 GMT -6
So, every so often, SOME of my hardware inserts latency goes completely rogue. I've got my Kick and Snare routed out through my EQ-2NV, and the delay compensation isn't working. I hear it, and when I record it back in, I can see it. Now, here's the thing. It was working last night. And the night before. And the night before. Same session. Same routing. Didn't change a damn thing. It's f**king maddening. /rant So, what am I doing wrong? I'm on PT11, 2012 Mac Mini & BF Apollo 16. My drum bus is routed out through a Serpent SB4001 and my 2buss is routed out through a hardware chain. My delay compensation engine is set to maximum. But like I said, this has all been working. I literally didn't change a thing. I fire it up tonight, and it's shit. WTF? There's a way you can ping out from PT to your outboard to measure the latency, and then try shifting by that amount after. Can you at least try and measure it? I can do that. The pisser is I've not had to before. It all just worked perfectly. This has happened to me before. I'll come back the next day and everything works again. We'll see what today brings.
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 19, 2016 9:12:57 GMT -6
Delay compensation on PT HD is quite robust but on the native version, latency has to be set manually like spock said. I tend to stay away from automatic delay compensation on any DAW except for PT HD. While working with PT native I came across situations where delay compensation goes wack after experiencing error messages like 'running out of cpu' or 'disk not fast enough'. Once it happens the only solution is to restart the PT and it was a real PITA. I was under the impression that you only needed to manually set delay compensation when using digital outboard. I thought analog outboard doesn't introduce latency other than the conversion roundtrip.
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Post by Randge on Nov 19, 2016 10:44:11 GMT -6
Cough cough..Cubase...cough cough... Yeah, that's where I'm headed. I'm not on board with the PT subscription deal. I'm slow to make the move cause I know I've got to lay out the cash for cubase, and learn a new DAW. I'm pretty fast on PT just because I've been using it so long. I'm gonna have to relearn a bunch of new shortcuts and stuff. Start watching all the tutorials on Youtube and you'll have a strong idea how to use it once you own it. You'll catch on quick and many things will be a huge upgrade for speed.
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 19, 2016 11:09:24 GMT -6
I have no idea how to even begin working up a hybrid system, but I plan to do it at some point. I've never used Pro Tools, and I'm glad I never did. There's way too much confusion, different platform levels and odd upgrade structures, and basically, it seems to me, too much money for beta test upgrades. I've used Logic since day one. I paid $200 over 4 years ago, have gotten a dozen useful upgrades, the basic plug-in suites rivals anyones, (their compressors are still my go to, and I've got a dozen others to choose from). They've given me a boatload of orchestral instruments, (not that I need them), 20 good drum kits, and any issues I've had, were typically my fault because I didn't understand something. My only complaint is that Flex Pitch creates artifacts. It's mostly where there's a glissando, and it separates that part into different notes. Though there may be a workaround that I haven't found yet. I've never used Cubase, but I've rarely heard anything negative about it. I'd love to see every studio have all the platforms instead of just Pro Tools. In logic its simple as it can bee.
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Post by jimwilliams on Nov 19, 2016 11:13:51 GMT -6
I'm running about a 60~70% propagation delay here. That's 70% the speed of light. That's what you get with the hardware here. Yes, it's an analog mixing system.
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Post by ragan on Nov 19, 2016 11:13:58 GMT -6
Delay compensation on PT HD is quite robust but on the native version, latency has to be set manually like spock said. I tend to stay away from automatic delay compensation on any DAW except for PT HD. While working with PT native I came across situations where delay compensation goes wack after experiencing error messages like 'running out of cpu' or 'disk not fast enough'. Once it happens the only solution is to restart the PT and it was a real PITA. I was under the impression that you only needed to manually set delay compensation when using digital outboard. I thought analog outboard doesn't introduce latency other than the conversion roundtrip. Yeah I've never had to manually set delay comp and I use hardware inserts all the time. You've got some stupid bug going I think.
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 19, 2016 11:40:57 GMT -6
I'm running about a 60~70% propagation delay here. That's 70% the speed of light. That's what you get with the hardware here. Yes, it's an analog mixing system. ?
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Post by indiehouse on Nov 19, 2016 11:42:26 GMT -6
I was under the impression that you only needed to manually set delay compensation when using digital outboard. I thought analog outboard doesn't introduce latency other than the conversion roundtrip. Yeah I've never had to manually set delay comp and I use hardware inserts all the time. You've got some stupid bug going I think. I did install the T-Verb demo before I fired up PT. Can't see why that would mess with delay comp. damn fine plug, though.
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Post by Bender on Nov 19, 2016 11:45:30 GMT -6
Cough cough..Cubase...cough cough... Do you know if they sorted out the negative/0 latency bug for delay compensation in Cubase with RME interfaces?
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Post by swurveman on Nov 19, 2016 11:48:44 GMT -6
I don't have a PT session open, and I'm on a PC, but I recall times when I had latency problems during tracking I believe I disabled Low Latency Monitoring and that fixed the problem. Good luck troubleshooting.
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Post by swurveman on Nov 19, 2016 11:51:14 GMT -6
Cough cough..Cubase...cough cough... Do you know if they sorted out the negative/0 latency bug for delay compensation in Cubase with RME interfaces? I have two RME AES 32 cards and never have a problem with latency in Cubase and I'm running 7 pieces of hardware gear. Perhaps other RME interfaces? I don't know.
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Post by ragan on Nov 19, 2016 12:02:22 GMT -6
Yeah I've never had to manually set delay comp and I use hardware inserts all the time. You've got some stupid bug going I think. I did install the T-Verb demo before I fired up PT. Can't see why that would mess with delay comp. damn fine plug, though. I've got Tverb just installed too. Also PT11, haven't noticed any issues, although I haven't done any parallel or multi mic'd comp with HW inserts in the last week or so.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 19, 2016 12:11:49 GMT -6
Thanks mrholmes.
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Post by illacov on Nov 19, 2016 12:34:09 GMT -6
I use Reaper (user since 1.85) and the hardware insert engine is pretty much a thing of beauty for me on my system. I use an RME HDSP9652 with 24 channels. Hmm the only time I have an issue with delay compensation is when I have my Total Mix cue mixer set to send signal from a returning input back to the output I'm using for ReaInsert. So if you had some weird feedback loop going in your digital cue mix (pretty sure the Apollo has monitoring software) then you might want to check to see if your cue mix is interfering with your ability to ping properly. Did you have any tracking sessions recently? Punch a part over? Replace a syllable?
Food for thought.
Good luck.
Thanks -L.
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