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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 20, 2016 9:56:49 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Jul 20, 2016 10:08:53 GMT -6
They have to compete, more and guys are buying into one primary plugin family, so gotta do as slate do. To many guys buy off a comparison grid not to.
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Post by joseph on Jul 20, 2016 10:20:36 GMT -6
I await the fail. ha ha
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 20, 2016 10:25:08 GMT -6
Remember my post of the Guage-USA Mic Clone? They modeled the M49, 87,67,47, C12, 414 , C800. It works nicely. All the emulations were OK, but with the M49, for some reason that nailed it. If you have a high end mic, you don't need it, but really, it took a relatively cheap mic with a Chinese capsule and got it really close to an M49. So, it can be done well, and I imaging UAD will bring it to the next level. Slate kept insisting you needed his mic and preamp to get the simulations right, and I was always skeptical about that. I'm sure he's right in a way, but if you have a pretty clean and clear mic to start with, i know for a fact the emulations can sound quite good without all the Slate gear. Bring it on UAD! It might be interesting to try different mic sounds for different instruments, the same way it happens on big sessions. www.finalmix.biz/Final_Mix_Software/Home.html
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Post by joseph on Jul 20, 2016 10:29:59 GMT -6
The problem is no emulation can fix sibilance distortion, poorer off axis response and in the case of U87 or U67 or C37 vs originals with proper headbasket, popping. All that has to be done in capture phase.
The slate examples I've heard are a testament to this, and I think other people here said the same thing.
There is no free lunch.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 20, 2016 10:37:31 GMT -6
Remember my post of the Guage-USA Mic Clone? They modeled the M49, 87,67,47, C12, 414 , C800. It works nicely. All the emulations were OK, but with the M49, for some reason that nailed it. If you have a high end mic, you don't need it, but really, it took a relatively cheap mic with a Chinese capsule and got it really close to an M49. So, it can be done well, and I imaging UAD will bring it to the next level. Slate kept insisting you needed his mic and preamp to get the simulations right, and I was always skeptical about that. I'm sure he's right in a way, but if you have a pretty clean and clear mic to start with, i know for a fact the emulations can sound quite good without all the Slate gear. Bring it on UAD! It might be interesting to try different mic sounds for different instruments, the same way it happens on big sessions. www.finalmix.biz/Final_Mix_Software/Home.htmlIt only makes sense that the maker would have to have to control the mic and the pre. That way they can assure that you are hearing the desired effect.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jul 20, 2016 10:44:55 GMT -6
Of course, I agree John. My point was from trying the Mic Clone, I already know that these kinds of emulations without a proprietary pre or mic can be quite close, and therefore might be useable.
It's a $1,000 investment to get the Slate system, $24 to try the Mic Clone. I'd much rather keep my rig and try UAD's emulations. I'd only consider buying the Slate if I could try it at home for a few days.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jul 20, 2016 11:41:39 GMT -6
More from Matt at UA forum:
A very exciting UAD product that may change the way you record - Townsend Labs Sphere
Over the past few months I've had the pleasure of getting used to a new way to work in the studio thanks to the new Townsend Labs Sphere L22 Microphone and 3D DSP modeling.
So what is it exactly?
For starters, it's a large-diaphragm single-point dual-channel microphone combined with a UAD DSP plugin for ultra-low latency, as well as a Native version for after-the-fact processing with any system.
It's also a system that's much more forgiving of mic placement than any microphone in existence, with tunable polar dead zones, and even the ability to change the mic pattern and angle to a large extent after tracking. Beyond that, it's an infinitely creative tool allowing a mic to be used beyond the physical limitations of the target mic by exaggerating or removing aspects and polar patterns associated with the placement and modeled microphone. We didn't even get to the fact that it can simultaneously be two mics at once in either mono or stereo configurations. Yeah, it's a lot to take in, but, fortunately, it's quite intuitive and even provides the option of a no-nonsense plugin interface, if you'd prefer that to the bells and whistles version.
I am finishing up a full review and more. Chris Townsend (the power behind AVID's Eleven's modeling technology) and Erik Papp will also be able to add detail and would be happy to answer some questions on here as well.
The mic itself is a pretty great and versatile beast. It's well-made and very attractive. It also has some very cool features to help you calibrate your preamps (very important for the level of precision the Sphere is capable of).
Here's some info from Townsend Labs:
The Sphere L22™ microphone system from Townsend Labs models the characteristics of the most sought-after large-diaphragm condenser microphones with amazing accuracy, and allows selection of different mics and patterns even after tracking. The Sphere™ system consists of an extremely high precision dual channel microphone, which when paired with the included SphereTM DSP plug-in (UAD, VST, AU, AAX Native) accurately models the response of a wide range of mics, including transient response, harmonics, proximity effect and three-dimensional polar response.
Now You Can:
•Record with the sound of microphones many have only dreamt about •Change mic type, polar pattern, and other microphone characteristics, even after tracking!
•Audition the sound of different microphones without tiring the vocalist
•Reduce bleed, undesirable room coloration, and other common issues using Off-Axis CorrectionTM
•Record in stereo from a single microphone
•Much more
Be sure to sign up for their email list for more info here - Townsend Labs
A very exciting UAD product that may change the way you record - Townsend Labs Sphere-screen-shot-2016-07-20-10.57.35-am.png
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Post by kilroyrock on Jul 20, 2016 12:45:07 GMT -6
side note: Proof that the Eleven rack is so good, UAD used their Eleven inventor, Chris Townsend
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 20, 2016 12:53:11 GMT -6
side note: Proof that the Eleven rack is so good, UAD used their Eleven inventor, Chris Townsend Or was he just beta testing? I couldn't tell.
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Post by kilroyrock on Jul 20, 2016 12:59:39 GMT -6
"the power behind" sounds like a guy who knows what's up
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Post by ragan on Jul 20, 2016 13:07:46 GMT -6
Yeah I kinda cringed when I read that too. I would have left that out of the ad copy....
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Post by tasteliketape on Jul 20, 2016 17:40:30 GMT -6
Pro tools expert has a little blurb on this Townsend from avid who developed the eleven rack and Eric Papp was CEO of summit audio Are developing it
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Post by tasteliketape on Jul 20, 2016 17:45:25 GMT -6
I must be getting old even if they get it right I'm still using a real mic NOW GET OFF MY LAWN
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Post by joseph on Jul 20, 2016 19:07:13 GMT -6
You're not old, just not dumb.
Put up a mic that sounds good and record, no tweaky!
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 20, 2016 21:32:10 GMT -6
I've been using new fangled doo-hickeys to supplement real stuff. That Peavey Auto-tune guitar. My God, the guitar is a complete POS, but it stays in tune. I can use it for beds...awesome to have a guitar that is intonated perfectly all the freaking time...also, tune down a whole step? No prob! I could totally see where this (the mic) would be awesome (if it sounds decent)...
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Post by donr on Jul 20, 2016 22:41:57 GMT -6
I've been using new fangled doo-hickeys to supplement real stuff. That Peavey Auto-tune guitar. My God, the guitar is a complete POS, but it stays in tune. I can use it for beds...awesome to have a guitar that is intonated perfectly all the freaking time...also, tune down a whole step? No prob! I could totally see where this would be awesome (if it sounds decent)... Report when you record with it, John.
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Post by mrholmes on Jul 21, 2016 3:43:10 GMT -6
When I first heard of Mic - Simulations that was with Slate. My first thought was that - it is as stupid as room correction software for the monitors.
But some companies even do stupid things if they make money with it. Stupedia is a sign of the 00 years.
All my Neumanns are still there, fine. Amen.
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Jul 21, 2016 7:35:31 GMT -6
Do you think products like this will actually lessen the value of those vintage mics? assuming that the emulations start to get extremely close..
I mean, if the emulations can get me 95% of the way there for $1200, why would I spend another $11,000 for 5%, you know? We've come along way since GuitarRig v.1, if you get what I'm saying.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 21, 2016 7:47:55 GMT -6
Do you think products like this will actually lessen the value of those vintage mics? assuming that the emulations start to get extremely close.. I mean, if the emulations can get me 95% of the way there for $1200, why would I spend another $11,000 for 5%, you know? We've come along way since GuitarRig v.1, if you get what I'm saying. I hope so!
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 21, 2016 7:49:15 GMT -6
I've been using new fangled doo-hickeys to supplement real stuff. That Peavey Auto-tune guitar. My God, the guitar is a complete POS, but it stays in tune. I can use it for beds...awesome to have a guitar that is intonated perfectly all the freaking time...also, tune down a whole step? No prob! I could totally see where this would be awesome (if it sounds decent)... Report when you record with it, John. Sorry for off topic, but donr - have you noticed that the high strings G,B,E don't seem to be as loud as the the lower ones?
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Post by mrholmes on Jul 21, 2016 9:44:54 GMT -6
Do you think products like this will actually lessen the value of those vintage mics? assuming that the emulations start to get extremely close.. I mean, if the emulations can get me 95% of the way there for $1200, why would I spend another $11,000 for 5%, you know? We've come along way since GuitarRig v.1, if you get what I'm saying. I am by no means a tech but my instinct tells me you cant simulate a special microphone construction. If I would tell you I did build the perfect monitor and I wrote a software which simulates everything from NS10 to KH120 Would you believe it? I guess no! I think you would ignore my statement. I ask myself how a track sounds if the whole signal path is simulations. From my experience too much simulations ruins the sound. You need some real gear in the back or front end. And real mics is one part of the front end to me.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 21, 2016 10:06:00 GMT -6
Martin John Butler - The limitation IMO is the construction of the physical capsule. If it's cheap and has the "pinch" like every other cheap capsule, then every emulation is going to have the pinch too...But hey - here's hoping.
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Post by ericn on Jul 21, 2016 10:22:19 GMT -6
Modeling what a circuit dose to a signal is very different from Modeling how an electro mechanical device converts a sound wave into an electronic signal. I'm sure some math guy will explain in an over simplified way how it can be done. The first problem is the math guy won't have any background in transducers! You ever notice that you don't see any of the big mic companies going down this road? I know one based in IL with a big investment in DSP that hasn't done much in this area, that if it worked could cost them a ton of $$$! Well they know it won't work ! Hell as John as stated we can't recreate a 1940s design today with all we know!
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 21, 2016 10:33:07 GMT -6
I'd like to get my hands on the Slate thing - and be proven wrong. I'd love it if this worked.
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