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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 25, 2013 8:18:58 GMT -6
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 25, 2013 8:47:06 GMT -6
Yep...  yeah, no pic? all i see is a blank box with a ? mark in it? jouctu1, your link is dead also?? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 25, 2013 8:52:50 GMT -6
It shows up on my laptop but not on my phone. Weird.
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Post by jsteiger on Oct 25, 2013 9:08:21 GMT -6
I see all the pics.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 25, 2013 10:45:58 GMT -6
It's the Empirical Labs EL-500.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 25, 2013 10:50:04 GMT -6
I see dead people....(halloween after all 8),
I see the pic now on JK's post, jcoutu1's link = dead...
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 25, 2013 11:12:38 GMT -6
I see dead people....(halloween after all 8), I see the pic now on JK's post, jcoutu1's link = dead... Link works from the computer. |
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Post by LesC on Oct 25, 2013 13:21:11 GMT -6
You guys are awful!!! Now you got me thinking about spending even more money. Is there a web site for people who can't control their spending on studio equipment, something like "equipment prostitutes & pimps"? I was actually expecting a response similar to John's, but I haven't seen this EL500 before, and it looks amazing. jcoutu1 Jesse, is there anything about the EL500 that makes it "a load of crap", or is it just the cost per slot that you're referring to? I'm partial to the idea of buying pre's in pairs, so they can be used on a 2-buss. But now I'm thinking an EL500 with the CAPI Heider on the left, giving it an instrument in, and a Heritage 73JR on the right. Any comments about this possibility? |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 25, 2013 13:42:51 GMT -6
Just the cost per slot. I look at as adding the cost per slot to each module for the actual cost per module. The API rack breaks down to $70/slot vs. $200/slot for the EL. $819 for the Heider looks much better than $949 IMO.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 25, 2013 14:01:04 GMT -6
Just used the Heider on acoustic. Maybe I will post a clip. Very, very happy with the tone! Just a Miktek C5 and a J45.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 25, 2013 14:03:14 GMT -6
Or you could just buy an API Channel strip for $3000.  |
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Post by LesC on Oct 25, 2013 18:10:10 GMT -6
I have no experience with 500-series equipment, but all the CAPI stuff is really tempting me. One of the things I like about 19" rack gear is lots of room for inputs and outputs. My Warm TB12's, my Drawmer 1960, and the Heritage DMA73 that I'm considering, all have separate mic and line inputs. Do 500-series preamps have separate mic and line inputs? Or do you have to go behind the rack to manually swap cables?
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Post by LesC on Oct 26, 2013 20:45:25 GMT -6
Sorry for the stupid question. I looked at the back of some 500 racks, they seem to have one input and one output XLR.
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Post by caborobo on Oct 28, 2013 11:17:22 GMT -6
Hey guys. Jeff has delivered the first 30 Heiders here at Rack-N-Roll. Please give us a call if your interested in buying one.
Best-Rob Dennis
615-244-6499
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Post by jsteiger on Nov 3, 2013 14:29:08 GMT -6
So, I was in Nashville last week and had the pleasure of hand delivering the first batch of Heider FD312 pre's to Rob at Rack-N-Roll. Throughout my week there, I was able to visit many studios to personally demo the FD312 as well as visit while Rob and Tom captured some great video interviews of current users. We will have many cool things to watch, listen to and download coming out over the next few weeks. One of my stops was to hang with Sal Oliveri at his overdub studio, The Ice House in Franklin TN. Our beloved admin John Kennedy also came by to grace us with his sheer presence and vocal sangin' ability. In running thru the options on the Heider FD312, we of course chose to record some clips for comparisons. There are 3 wav files in the zip. The mic was John's CV4 that has been modded and hot rodded by the mic magus Shannon Rhoades of MicRehab. The A/D was the Avid HD Omni. The 3 different preamp settings are listed in the file names. In Sal's room on his Proacs, we all thought the "+HiZ" was the best sounding version. Of course there was no music bed but you will at least get the idea of how versatile the combination of a few pushbutton switches can be. The Fader was at 0 for the first 2 clips and +4 for the "+HiZ+Pad" version. We also increased the preamp gain to help make up for the Pad attenuation. Increasing those 2 settings is also part of the increased color. I think it really shows a wide swing of possible options. Many thanks to both Sal and John!  app.box.com/s/hswhw27jk59m3ims1up1 |
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 3, 2013 16:45:43 GMT -6
great stuff Jeff, all three clips sound great, the 1st one sounds almost compressed, very smooth, maybe it was JK's particular performance on that one? #2 had more dynamics for sure, they all kick butt...as usual with your stuff. i need to get me some, i'm gearing up for another round on your kits shortly.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 3, 2013 18:35:45 GMT -6
Boy...those vocals were just spectacular.
Oy vey
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2013 18:50:34 GMT -6
it would've sounded better if you used the BLA 002 tho *ducks*
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 4, 2013 17:57:19 GMT -6
Great files, Jeff. I could tell the vocalist was struggling but the pre managed to save all the takes.
I liked 1 the best for all around vocals I think. That's a setting that would work with most voices. Number 3 with the pad is my favorite (personal taste). Vibey as can be. Nice work on this pre. I gotta start getting some of your stuff. It's really great gear sounds like.
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Post by jsteiger on Nov 4, 2013 18:35:28 GMT -6
Thanks cowboy. I am very happy with the tonal possibilities of just 2 pushbutton switches.
I am mostly glad this "vocalist" kept his clothes on. LOL
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 4, 2013 23:09:05 GMT -6
Sorry for the stupid question. I looked at the back of some 500 racks, they seem to have one input and one output XLR. No stupid questions broman, I think the best way to use any larger quantity of outboard gear is through a patch bay, at least for convenience sake. I have 2 tt patch bays that my entire set up runs through, all the chains that are used most frequently are wired as "normalized", then if i want to send a piece somewhere else, or put a piece mid chain, i push a patch cord in to break the normal, and re route the piece accordingly. It's an initial pita to get it wired up, but then working is a breeze when your done. This is standardly done in virtually every pro facility. |
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Post by LesC on Nov 5, 2013 7:17:16 GMT -6
Hi Tony. Actually, I use patch bays for all my line-level inputs and outputs, that's not my issue.
In comparison to the Warm Audio Tonebeast, for example, the Tonebeast has instrument, mic (front and back), and line-level inputs, as well as insert send and receive. Patching of a single in and out doesn't seem to offer as much flexibility.
But more importantly, I would never bring a mic-level input with a phantom-power switch to my patch bay. Due to my absent-mindedness/clutziness/clumsiness/whatever-you-want-to-call-it-ness (you know, the things that make me so endearing to women), I can just about guarantee that I would fry something expensive within a couple of days.
So in the foreseeable future, I think 500-series preamps are not for me. It's too bad, because judging from the users on here whose ears I trust, Jeff makes great stuff. If I could get two Heider's in a single 19" rack unit, with separate mic and line-level inputs, I guess a similar layout to the Heritage DMA-73, the unit would immediately be put on my get-next list.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 5, 2013 11:27:38 GMT -6
Hi Tony. Actually, I use patch bays for all my line-level inputs and outputs, that's not my issue. In comparison to the Warm Audio Tonebeast, for example, the Tonebeast has instrument, mic (front and back), and line-level inputs, as well as insert send and receive. Patching of a single in and out doesn't seem to offer as much flexibility. But more importantly, I would never bring a mic-level input with a phantom-power switch to my patch bay. Due to my absent-mindedness/clutziness/clumsiness/whatever-you-want-to-call-it-ness (you know, the things that make me so endearing to women), I can just about guarantee that I would fry something expensive within a couple of days. So in the foreseeable future, I think 500-series preamps are not for me. It's too bad, because judging from the users on here whose ears I trust, Jeff makes great stuff. If I could get two Heider's in a single 19" rack unit, with separate mic and line-level inputs, I guess a similar layout to the Heritage DMA-73, the unit would immediately be put on my get-next list. A simple push of the mic/line buttons solves your main concern, i'm guessing the tonebeast cant run mic/line simultaneously? Does it have a DI? Also, I have no 48v of any kind wired to my patchbay? I personally would never use an insert on a preamp, i only use series chaining after pre's, tone shaping eq is the job of my very nice eq's, i don't want a pre to do that..but maybe i'm missing something? as far as versatility, this unit is designed after the Heider console pre, the vp28 is as versatile as a pre "should" get, beyond what's available in that, starts to be a compromise IMO, kinda like a SUV, it doesn't excel at off roading, or street racing, it does everything ok, but it's the epitome of mediocrity. This is JMO, YMMV.  |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 5, 2013 12:05:32 GMT -6
Good luck Jeff. It's outta my league right now, but I'll keep my eyes on it.
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Post by LesC on Nov 5, 2013 13:50:42 GMT -6
A simple push of the mic/line buttons solves your main concern, i'm guessing the tonebeast cant run mic/line simultaneously? Does it have a DI? Also, I have no 48v of any kind wired to my patchbay? I personally would never use an insert on a preamp, i only use series chaining after pre's, tone shaping eq is the job of my very nice eq's, i don't want a pre to do that..but maybe i'm missing something? as far as versatility, this unit is designed after the Heider console pre, the vp28 is as versatile as a pre "should" get, beyond what's available in that, starts to be a compromise IMO, kinda like a SUV, it doesn't excel at off roading, or street racing, it does everything ok, but it's the epitome of mediocrity. This is JMO, YMMV. Hi again Tony. Sorry, but I guess I'm misunderstanding you. The preamp only has one input, which is switch-selectable between mic and line input. By bringing that one input to my patch panel, I'm just one or two button-clicks away from accidentally bringing +48 volts to my patch panel. Is this an incredibly stupid thing to do? Of course. Would I do it? Of course. Also, when I want to use a mic, I'd have to go around back of my rack, unplug the preamp input from the rack, and plug the mic in. To me, that defeats the whole purpose of cabling to a patch panel. With the Warm Audio/Heritage Audio/Drawmer Audio/Just-about-any-audio 19" rack version, there are separate mic and line inputs. I can keep a mic plugged into the mic input, I can keep the line input connected to my patch panel, and all I have to do is toggle the mic/line switch and/or the phantom power switch. This means no more plugging and unplugging behind my rack, and no danger of providing phantom power to the patch panel, regardless of what kind of a clumsy mistake I make with the switches. Yes, I admit I'm a klutz, I think the second klutziest in the world (for my ego, I have to believe there's at least one person klutzier). If you give me an opportunity to make a mistake, I will take full advantage of that opportunity. |
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