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Post by M57 on Jan 20, 2016 5:26:54 GMT -6
Looks like they found a way: Could be smoke, mirrors and Photoshop - but I so want to be a believer!
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 20, 2016 6:39:02 GMT -6
That pic is from the Warm FB site so pretty certain its real!
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Post by Guitar on Jan 20, 2016 8:46:10 GMT -6
Check out those guts! (Commentary added)
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 20, 2016 9:04:08 GMT -6
Nice and clean, not that I know anything about mechanics and gear design.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 20, 2016 10:46:10 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 20, 2016 10:48:10 GMT -6
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 20, 2016 10:49:35 GMT -6
Check out those guts! (Commentary added) What is the empty socket for?
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Post by donr on Jan 20, 2016 10:53:15 GMT -6
>What is the empty socket for?
More cowbell? [tell me when this gag gets old..]
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 20, 2016 10:54:30 GMT -6
>What is the empty socket for? More cowbell? [tell me when this gag gets old..] Hey - you're owning it lol
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Post by Guitar on Jan 20, 2016 10:59:27 GMT -6
Good eye, I glossed right over that. I don't know the answer, but somebody asked on Facebook, maybe Warm will answer.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 20, 2016 11:10:36 GMT -6
Some empty socket intel from that guy from Texas who is currently in the city of angels:
We made the unit compatible with both 6p1 and 6aq5 tubes. 6aq5s are becoming rare, so making it compatible with the 6p1 increases our ability to sell the product longer before 6aq5s run out.
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Post by ragan on Jan 20, 2016 11:12:34 GMT -6
Chad from Warm responded on GS. He said its for the old style tube if people can find one. Said the one they used is good and in fact over spec'd but for nostalgia sake they put the old socket in too so you'd have the option.
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Post by rocinante on Jan 20, 2016 11:19:20 GMT -6
Its awesome. It's also awesome the rock star status a gear company has achieved. Dont get me wrong im a fan too but i cant remember an audio company that had people held in such anticipation. Good for Bryce. He's a nice dude to boot.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 20, 2016 11:22:33 GMT -6
Chad from Warm responded on GS. He said its for the old style tube if people can find one. Said the one they used is good and in fact over spec'd but for nostalgia sake they put the old socket in too so you'd have the option. "It's a socket for the vintage 6AQ5. It ships with a currently available miniature power tube very similar in performance to the old 6AQ5 (actually over-spec'd), wired in parallel to an adjacent socket; but we wanted people who can find a NOS tube to be able to swap it to the original, just for nostalgia. 6AQ5s haven't been made since the ealy 80's and there's less than 1000 on the market; so going into production with that was not possible... but giving folks the option if they want was possible, so we did. Chad Warm Audio "
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Post by rocinante on Jan 20, 2016 11:33:07 GMT -6
Yeah the tubes were a pita to buy when I built mine. Kind of part of the fun but its a very thoughtful feature. They future proofed it.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 20, 2016 11:50:02 GMT -6
Chad from Warm responded on GS. He said its for the old style tube if people can find one. Said the one they used is good and in fact over spec'd but for nostalgia sake they put the old socket in too so you'd have the option. devils advocate, don't get too excited about the notion of an NOS tube, the warm circuit is laden with electrolytic caps not present in the original, and those NEVER do an audio path good, i'm sure this will sound good and resemble a real unit though, "you get what you paid for" is tried and true idiom
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Post by rob61 on Jan 20, 2016 12:13:21 GMT -6
6AQ5 online NOS is $25, so that wouldn't be a deal breaker if you wanted it.
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Post by winetree on Jan 20, 2016 12:13:32 GMT -6
Chad from Warm responded on GS. He said its for the old style tube if people can find one. Said the one they used is good and in fact over spec'd but for nostalgia sake they put the old socket in too so you'd have the option. devils advocate, don't get too excited about the notion of an NOS tube, the warm circuit is laden with electrolytic caps not present in the original, and those NEVER do an audio path good, i'm sure this will sound good and resemble a real unit though, "you get what you paid for" is tried and true idiom OH, and do I see the dreaded I.C.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 20, 2016 12:17:28 GMT -6
Chad from Warm responded on GS. He said its for the old style tube if people can find one. Said the one they used is good and in fact over spec'd but for nostalgia sake they put the old socket in too so you'd have the option. devils advocate, don't get too excited about the notion of an NOS tube, the warm circuit is laden with electrolytic caps not present in the original, and those NEVER do an audio path good, i'm sure this will sound good and resemble a real unit though, "you get what you paid for" is tried and true idiom Devil's advocate also Tony, isn't your favorite preamp the VP28? There are a number of electrolytic coupling caps in that circuit I believe. My personal finding with caps, including electrolytics, is they should specifically be auditioned for tone in the circuit. That might sound insane, but in my experience you can hear differences between brands and types. Some sound terrible, some a lot better. They almost seem to have a different EQ curve sometimes. It's part of the bigger picture of audio quality in a circuit. I have also had a lot of good luck with NOS tubes, regarding tone. Not that some of the modern tubes aren't decent and usable. Some are trash though.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jan 20, 2016 13:38:50 GMT -6
devils advocate, don't get too excited about the notion of an NOS tube, the warm circuit is laden with electrolytic caps not present in the original, and those NEVER do an audio path good, i'm sure this will sound good and resemble a real unit though, "you get what you paid for" is tried and true idiom Devil's advocate also Tony, isn't your favorite preamp the VP28? There are a number of electrolytic coupling caps in that circuit I believe. My personal finding with caps, including electrolytics, is they should specifically be auditioned for tone in the circuit. That might sound insane, but in my experience you can hear differences between brands and types. Some sound terrible, some a lot better. They almost seem to have a different EQ curve sometimes. It's part of the bigger picture of audio quality in a circuit. I have also had a lot of good luck with NOS tubes, regarding tone. Not that some of the modern tubes aren't decent and usable. Some are trash though. I'm talking about apple to apples, if you like original API, then Jeff's stuff is spot on because the designs are adhering to the left behind originals(don't see too many electros at all in them btw), this Wa2a is clearly not adhering to the original by witness of all those electros/Ic, so keep that in mind is all i'm saying, there are units that have traditionally horrible sounding caps like tantalums in them(Neve), if i was to see a clone i'd expect to see them, you pickin up what i'm puttin down? This thing could be better than an La2a for all I know, I hope it is, but i haven't heard it, I hope to mess with it this weekend though....
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 20, 2016 15:56:46 GMT -6
I'd put money on Bryce getting out right. of course, we'll know soon.
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Post by donr on Jan 20, 2016 16:54:46 GMT -6
Last year at NAMM I told Bryce I had WA76 #1, he said, "No way," I said "Way." Attachments:
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Post by Guitar on Jan 20, 2016 17:26:55 GMT -6
Devil's advocate also Tony, isn't your favorite preamp the VP28? There are a number of electrolytic coupling caps in that circuit I believe. My personal finding with caps, including electrolytics, is they should specifically be auditioned for tone in the circuit. That might sound insane, but in my experience you can hear differences between brands and types. Some sound terrible, some a lot better. They almost seem to have a different EQ curve sometimes. It's part of the bigger picture of audio quality in a circuit. I have also had a lot of good luck with NOS tubes, regarding tone. Not that some of the modern tubes aren't decent and usable. Some are trash though. I'm talking about apple to apples, if you like original API, then Jeff's stuff is spot on because the designs are adhering to the left behind originals(don't see too many electros at all in them btw), this Wa2a is clearly not adhering to the original by witness of all those electros/Ic, so keep that in mind is all i'm saying, there are units that have traditionally horrible sounding caps like tantalums in them(Neve), if i was to see a clone i'd expect to see them, you pickin up what i'm puttin down? This thing could be better than an La2a for all I know, I hope it is, but i haven't heard it, I hope to mess with it this weekend though.... I'm feeling you tony. But if those circuits sound good... then... don't the caps sound good too? Do you see the logic there? I see the LA2A as sort of a mojo monster along the lines of API and NEVE. If we were talking hi-fi gear, the caps might be a different story. I am very curious about the deviations from the classic circuit, it would be great to see a schematic but I doubt we will get to.
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Post by wiz on Jan 20, 2016 18:11:02 GMT -6
Either it sounds good... or it doesn't...
Price is comparable to the STAM, but the STAM aint in production (after the couple that were available the other day).
Cheap as buying parts.....
Is it a LA2A , no.
Its a WA2A.
Is it worth 899, dunno.. havent heard it.
Sometimes Caps sound Great... sometimes they don't.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by wiz on Jan 20, 2016 18:12:59 GMT -6
Makes you wonder, why it hasn't been done before.. same with the Pultec and the 76 he did...
I own the pultec and the 76 he did..
they have some quirks...
But, at their price point they sound cool and do a good job...
beyond that, I really don't give it much thought...
cheers
Wiz
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