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Post by svart on Dec 9, 2015 20:04:33 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 9, 2015 20:08:16 GMT -6
Sounds fun. Looking g forward to it. Oranger Rocker 30 at all?
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Post by winetree on Dec 9, 2015 20:15:14 GMT -6
Voted
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Post by svart on Dec 9, 2015 20:14:47 GMT -6
Sounds fun. Looking g forward to it. Oranger Rocker 30 at all? Yup! Just updated the first post with info. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 9, 2015 20:18:36 GMT -6
Gonna go listen in a bit...
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 9, 2015 20:19:48 GMT -6
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 9, 2015 20:59:46 GMT -6
for some reason i can't get any of the files to load? It's not my connection or i couldn't have posted this...right?
thanx for doing this C+
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Post by svart on Dec 9, 2015 21:02:25 GMT -6
for some reason i can't get any of the files to load? It's not my connection or i couldn't have posted this...right? thanx for doing this C+ Strange, it's not working for me either. It was working a few minutes ago though. Keep trying, maybe the host is down or something. |
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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 9, 2015 21:05:28 GMT -6
Same problem here
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Post by svart on Dec 9, 2015 21:08:47 GMT -6
Try again, it works for me now. Looks like it was just down for a few minutes.
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Post by jsteiger on Dec 9, 2015 21:51:07 GMT -6
#2 was hotter across the samples but it was my choice.
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 9, 2015 21:53:38 GMT -6
ones got bigger bottom, more open clarity, more top end, and has more output.
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 9, 2015 21:54:50 GMT -6
#2 was hotter across the samples but it was my choice. i'm sure you know this, there's a simple explanation for that, ribbon thickness |
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Post by svart on Dec 9, 2015 22:02:53 GMT -6
#2 was hotter across the samples but it was my choice. i'm sure you know this, there's a simple explanation for that, ribbon thickness That's one piece. The motors look to be quite different lengths, and transformer winding style and ratio can affect this too |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 9, 2015 22:09:56 GMT -6
Level matched them...I'm pretty sure I know which is which in each case...I won't say anything so I don't color any votes.
Heavy guitar
A - Big bottom more low mid info
B - not as big a bottom more articulate highs
Could go with either one, but thought A was a little better
Clean guitar
Same as above
Crunch
A - I thought this one sounded a lot more full while
B - a bit nasal
Preferred A on this one
Drums
A - Kind of two dimensional
B - Punchier, brighter, more 3 D
Preferred B on this
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 9, 2015 23:07:17 GMT -6
I level matched them, not as obvious at that, i do have a preference, but could see using either mic no doubt, it's all but certain that most people will pick 2 as louder is better, it's just human nature.
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Post by svart on Dec 10, 2015 7:47:46 GMT -6
I level matched them, not as obvious at that, i do have a preference, but could see using either mic no doubt, it's all but certain that most people will pick 2 as louder is better, it's just human nature. That's true, but output level is a valid consideration when choosing mics, so I left them as-is and people can choose how to use the file. |
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Post by warrenfirehouse on Dec 10, 2015 8:18:43 GMT -6
Thanks svart this is helpful!
Liked the open top on drums and cleans, but prefered the darker tone on crunch and heavy.
They both have that beautifully detailed midrange though and either would be great for any of these applications
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 10, 2015 8:41:00 GMT -6
Heavy guitar - 2
Clean guitar - 1
Crunch guitar - 1
Drums - 2
For the drums both felt like a bit of a compromise. I liked the snare a bit better on 1, but preferred the overall vibe of 2.
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Post by henge on Dec 10, 2015 8:47:45 GMT -6
Clean guitar 2 would take less to get it to fit into a mix I think. Both sound nice.
Crunch guitar 2 to is more forward and would speak nicely in a full mix.Actually a blended mix of the two might be great.
Heavy Guitar 2 sounds more articulate to me especially in the djent parts.
Huge difference in the drums with 2 being my fave.
Clips were level matched before listening...
Thanks for doing this!!
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Post by EmRR on Dec 10, 2015 9:13:30 GMT -6
Looking forward to checking this out when I get in front of proper playback equipment.
The magnet around a ribbon has a lot to do with output level.
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 10, 2015 9:18:21 GMT -6
Looking forward to checking this out when I get in front of proper playback equipment. The magnet around a ribbon has a lot to do with output level. magnet, ribbon thickness, and transformer ratio right? what I find most interesting about this side by side, is the apparent much, much greater output by one of the mics, it quite honestly makes me feel somethings wrong with one of the mics or something in the chain? if thats not the case? it's a bit of a head scratcher to me.... |
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 10, 2015 9:21:02 GMT -6
could it be with the super magnet nature of neodymium magnets(rare earth magnets), the mics being side by side could be interfering with each others magnetic fields? hmmm? Again the wildly different outputs is a bit baffling to me...
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 10, 2015 9:24:39 GMT -6
could it be with the super magnet nature of neodymium magnets(rare earth magnets), the mics being side by side could be interfering with each others magnetic fields? hmmm? Again the wildly different outputs is a bit baffling to me... Beyond the level differences, what are your picks? |
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Post by svart on Dec 10, 2015 9:24:54 GMT -6
Looking forward to checking this out when I get in front of proper playback equipment. The magnet around a ribbon has a lot to do with output level. magnet, ribbon thickness, and transformer ratio right? what I find most interesting about this side by side, is the apparent much, much greater output by one of the mics, it quite honestly makes me feel somethings wrong with one of the mics or something in the chain? if thats not the case? it's a bit of a head scratcher to me.... Since the currents are so low in ribbon transformers, everything makes a difference! I'd be even the Er(dielectric constant) of the PCB material (looks like both mics have a PCB carrier for the ribbon/magnet assembly) would make a difference due to parasitics! Anyway, I did a quick test by swapping the mics at the end of the cable, and the level difference moved with the mic, so it's not a specific preamp level issue, or a specific issue to a single chain, but each mic could still be affected by the preamp input impedance itself. I see this as a real-world test, rather than a clinical one though. I'm sure someone could optimize the chain for either mic, but I think most people expect the mic to work with just about any preamp/cable. |
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