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Post by Randge on Oct 18, 2015 14:04:37 GMT -6
They can't stop working cause that monthly bill will be coming in... Yup. If that $99 a year is killing ya, better keep hammering your "other" DAW. LOL We're ALL headed to subscriptions. It's the only way these guys can stay in business. Sooner or later, you'll be crying the Cubase subscription plan. :-) I won't. I endorse them and feel they are the most competent and growing software for pro audio that there is. I can run pro tools but hate to when everything I want to do makes more sense to me on Cubase. That is why I got with them instead of Pro Tools in the first place. When I priced out other software at the time of my purchases, PT was going to be almost 3 times the cost when I started computer recording and is still considerably more when you factor in all the proprietary things they have forced you to use over the years. I have never been a fan of companies that force you into things, thus I went with Steinberg.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 18, 2015 14:10:17 GMT -6
Tony do you own 10 and not 11 ? I think the $99 upgrade is only from 11 to 10. I think the $199 price ifs for non 11 but pro tools owners and for a while you may get the avid 11 guitar plug in (perpetual) included. I am looking for the link
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 18, 2015 14:34:38 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 18, 2015 14:46:08 GMT -6
Everything I see here seems to imply that you lose 10/11 if you upgrade to 12 at all. Have you seen any education pricing/upgrade info?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 18, 2015 14:54:28 GMT -6
Everything I see here seems to imply that you lose 10/11 if you upgrade to 12 at all. Have you seen any education pricing/upgrade info? $99/yr or $299 for a new license from what I see, but I can't find a price for upgrading my current license to 12. Maybe the $99/year would be a good move for adding a second, current license and just keep my 11 in tact as is.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 18, 2015 14:58:23 GMT -6
on another page at avid it stated 10 licenses would be forfeited (due to their 32 bit ) nature.
I run 10 and 11 now.
I have seen educational pricing links do you need them ?
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 18, 2015 15:13:17 GMT -6
what i want to know is as a previous owner of 10, if i pay $199, upgrade to 12 and surrender my license, and then decide to not pay the upgrade next year, do I keep 12? or do i get nothing? It seems the surrendering of my license is designed to lock me into the subscribe or die paradigm, or else i'm left with NO version at all via an ilok lockout. It seems i'm faced with the only way to keep a version of PT's is to stay with 10, or buy 12 full $499 retail(no benefit of owning PT for 20 F-ing years at all ) and then keep that come next year if i decide not to pay the annual fee. If this is the case, you can write it down.. that come the end of 2016, Avid in all their shit evil glory will more than double the cost of the subscriptions, anyone want to make a bet on that?
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Post by drbill on Oct 18, 2015 15:20:46 GMT -6
For any baffled (I am) at the myriad of PT options, I'd suggest calling a PT rep who's informed and "in the know" (most aren't from my experience). It's actually not nearly as tweaky and hard as this thread makes it out to be. I own - not rent - 7,8,9,10, 11, 12. And will keep them in perpetuity.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 18, 2015 15:32:59 GMT -6
tony when you pay 199 you are supposed to get a perpetual 12 license with updates to the end of the first 12 month period and the option of another upgrade at the end. If you take this, it repeats, if you don't , you are on 12. If you want back in after 12 months, then you are back to premium cost scenario or stay at 12 for 4 years and then buy back in for known features as in a 3-4 year cycle, it's the same cost, at least currently. Or bite the bullet and pay .66 per day (currently forever) to get constant updates. Now that avid is charging for dot releases .33-.66 cents a day may be the rub but means avid is obligated to supply it's most current version of protools to your account 365 24/7 !
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 18, 2015 15:36:27 GMT -6
For any baffled (I am) at the myriad of PT options, I'd suggest calling a PT rep who's informed and "in the know" (most aren't from my experience). It's actually not nearly as tweaky and hard as this thread makes it out to be. I own - not rent - 7,8,9,10, 11, 12. And will keep them in perpetuity. So you have purchased a fresh perpetual version each time? I know when I upgraded to 10, I had to give up my 9 (or whatever I was on at the time).
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Post by porkyman on Oct 18, 2015 15:37:58 GMT -6
i think forfeit only means you cant sell it off. i have 10, 11, and 12. 12 has been solid for me and has the the upgrades ive always wanted. input monitoring, vca's, etc. so i have never once thought about going backwards. i think if you upgrade and dont continue your subscription you still keep 12 but you would have to pay full price to buy back in....
p.s. all the PT haters left out the biggest negative for PT that all the others have and has been promised for practically a decade.
TRACK FREEZE!!!
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Post by drbill on Oct 18, 2015 16:21:07 GMT -6
For any baffled (I am) at the myriad of PT options, I'd suggest calling a PT rep who's informed and "in the know" (most aren't from my experience). It's actually not nearly as tweaky and hard as this thread makes it out to be. I own - not rent - 7,8,9,10, 11, 12. And will keep them in perpetuity. So you have purchased a fresh perpetual version each time? I know when I upgraded to 10, I had to give up my 9 (or whatever I was on at the time). Was that a question or a statement? Not sure. I upgraded from 7 to 8, 8 to 9. Kept all licenses. Then I jumped to 12. Not sure how my rep handled that as I bought a whole new HDX system and converters and stuff, but the cost wasn't bad, and I got 10 / 11 / 12 with the new system. So, I've got all of them, and only "upgraded" to the best of my knowledge.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 18, 2015 16:44:54 GMT -6
So you have purchased a fresh perpetual version each time? I know when I upgraded to 10, I had to give up my 9 (or whatever I was on at the time). Was that a question or a statement? Not sure. I upgraded from 7 to 8, 8 to 9. Kept all licenses. Then I jumped to 12. Not sure how my rep handled that as I bought a whole new HDX system and converters and stuff, but the cost wasn't bad, and I got 10 / 11 / 12 with the new system. So, I've got all of them, and only "upgraded" to the best of my knowledge. Perhaps HD is different than Native in that regard.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 17:08:00 GMT -6
Called AVID last week, i got PT9 non HD. for 199$ ( till end December) i got PT 12 AND 10-11 if i want to be backward compatible, and i got to serender my PT9 License , and keep all that for ever, I don't really care about upgrade at that point when i got PT12<script type="text/javascript" src="safari-extension://com.ebay.safari.myebaymanager-QYHMMGCMJR/30aace47/background/helpers/prefilterHelper.js"></script><script type="text/javascript" src="safari-extension://com.ebay.safari.myebaymanager-QYHMMGCMJR/30aace47/background/helpers/prefilterHelper.js"></script>
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Oct 18, 2015 18:47:11 GMT -6
Your old license is replaced with a bundle that includes it but won't allow it to be be separated and sold.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Oct 18, 2015 19:36:37 GMT -6
Apple has moved Logic to selling all upgrades as a new, full price license although they did drop their price. Microsoft sells perpetual Office licenses but there is no discount for owners of previous versions and they really want you to rent which is cheaper. Renting Pro Tools was cheaper although I don't know how the new $99/year upgrades figure in. I'm not sure Adobe even sells perpetual licenses and Autodesk announced they will no longer be selling them beginning in January.
All of this is adjusting to the fact that people now get 5 to 10 years out of a new computer and software instead of upgrading everything every couple years like we did in the '90s. I just did my first upgrade since 2007 and that had been my first in five years.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 20:25:52 GMT -6
Just to make all clear, i'm ok with the 199$ that AVID is asking me for PT12 ( with PT10-11) for a perpetual license .<script type="text/javascript" src="safari-extension://com.ebay.safari.myebaymanager-QYHMMGCMJR/cb795316/background/helpers/prefilterHelper.js"></script>
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Post by henge on Oct 18, 2015 20:32:55 GMT -6
tonycamphd what's in the upgrade that's necessary? Is 10 working for you?
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 18, 2015 21:32:23 GMT -6
Bob, when you said "Apple has moved Logic to selling all upgrades as a new", I assume you meant something like going from Logic 9 to X, correct? That read a little to me like Apple was doing the same kind of thing as Pro Tools. but I don't think you intended it that way.
Since moving to Logic X, I've gotten many major updates with plenty of new useful new features and bug fixes for a 2 1/2 years now, with no extra charge.
The difference between Logic 9 and Logic X was huge, and truly could be called a major rewrite. It felt like a new program, not just an update. I think it was worth five times the price that Apple charged.
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Post by rocinante on Oct 19, 2015 1:15:16 GMT -6
Just to keep it in mind for the non pthd owners; it isn't just changing over to another daw, or not upgrading for a meesly $100 or so... Many are tied into the avid because of the not-by-any-means-cheap but extremely versatile hdx and core systems. I had invested a ton and the results certainly paid it off but its not as easy as 'I'll try this other daw out for a few weeks and see'. Its a whole new interface, core cards, accel, dependable dsp, simultaneous io, etc... I don't know if I wouldve had everything not been in a foot of water. I'm glad I did and the system I have now operates even better than the hd core but thats comparing older hd, and hdx is pretty phenomonal. In hindsight; I shouldve taken the rme route.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 19, 2015 3:43:46 GMT -6
tonycamphd what's in the upgrade that's necessary? Is 10 working for you? 10 is still 32 bit, and uses rtas plugs, I need to step up to 64 bit aax, supposed to be more stable as well, I've watched 10 "unexpectedly quit" too often when I get going fast in the edit window.
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Post by M57 on Oct 19, 2015 4:45:06 GMT -6
Bob, when you said "Apple has moved Logic to selling all upgrades as a new", I assume you meant something like going from Logic 9 to X, correct? That read a little to me like Apple was doing the same kind of thing as Pro Tools. but I don't think you intended it that way. Since moving to Logic X, I've gotten many major updates with plenty of new useful new features and bug fixes for a 2 1/2 years now, with no extra charge. The difference between Logic 9 and Logic X was huge, and truly could be called a major rewrite. It felt like a new program, not just an update. I think it was worth five times the price that Apple charged. Just reiterating the part of Martin's post about how those updates are not just bug fixes. Some of what Martin calls "useful features" in those updates are no doubt what Avid would call an upgrade. Just this year, they tacked on extra drummers ..and the new Alchemy synth, which is a monster, and I haven't paid a penny since my first purchase. I may seem like a PT hater, but honestly I'm not. The more competition in the game, the lower the prices for all of us. I would much rather see PT healthy and thriving. Anyway, it was easy for me to get out because I'm just a home-studio, but the writing was on the wall and it made my decision to jump to LP even easier.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 19, 2015 7:36:24 GMT -6
tonycamphd what's in the upgrade that's necessary? Is 10 working for you? 10 is still 32 bit, and uses rtas plugs, I need to step up to 64 bit aax, supposed to be more stable as well, I've watched 10 "unexpectedly quit" too often when I get going fast in the edit window. 11 beats the pants off 10 handily in any test I have seen. One nice thing in the 12 upgrade is you get the disc cache functionality in Pro tools which promotes increased efficiency further. As a largely UA user the disc cache functinoality doesn't create any additional advantage but for non UA plug users its does. As the 12 updates includes all the to date 11 and 12 fixes and extra features ( metres and vca), I think you will notice a significant effciency ncrease ( 64 bit , access to full SRAM not limited to 4 gig),recoded aax plugs and disc cache) and appreciate the new features in your workflow.
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Post by henge on Oct 19, 2015 7:45:30 GMT -6
tonycamphd what's in the upgrade that's necessary? Is 10 working for you? 10 is still 32 bit, and uses rtas plugs, I need to step up to 64 bit aax, supposed to be more stable as well, I've watched 10 "unexpectedly quit" too often when I get going fast in the edit window. Drag. At some point PT's upgrades gotta give you all you need. Maybe stop upgrading after that...
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Post by jcoutu1 on Oct 19, 2015 8:19:34 GMT -6
The jump from 10 to 11 is a no brainer in my opinion. 12 is a bit more of a challenge, because the additions from 11 to 12 are pretty minimal it seems. There was a lot of talk about freeze coming to 12, but I don't think it's arrived yet. They'll probably announce it Jan 1, right after the deadline to upgrade cheap passes.
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