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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 4, 2015 16:03:54 GMT -6
I will post the link here, when my koala and wombat powered internet finish uploading... they are sleepy today. Click Here To Download ... its 450 Meg(ish)Above is a zip file to download. It has 3 mixes in it. 1. Dry 2. Bricasti 3. Relab 480L the files are 96Kz/24 bit the whole download is about 450 Meg. I figure, comparing a Bricasti , if you want to hear it, you will download it... no soundcloud for this test. 8) So, the mix was done Dry. I figured that the fairest way to show this. Then a aux bus was set up, and a post fader post pan send created for EACH track and 0dB sent (unity) from each track EXCEPT the Kick which was -9.4 dB. On that aux bus is inserted a I/O plug in going to the Bricasti which was using the LUSH ROOM Setting. The Relab 480L is on Random Hall. Both reverb times are matched as are approximate volumes.. I did this by listening to the reverb return on its own. I turned on the Relab for the Relab test, and the IO with the Bricasti for the Bricasti test. So its as apples to apples, as it can possibly be, without using a compass and a slide rule and a hat with a propellor on it. What is interesting is to listen to the dry mix, then each wet mix, and listen to how the EQ changes on instruments.. and their placement etc. Its quite revealing listening to the reverb return..I haven't included those, the files get too large to download. Now, as with all things, personal preference is going to come into this... and I am sure a lot of people are going to listen and say... "I don't like the song" "I like the dry mix best" "I would have retracked that guitar" "Can you post a mix 2bpm faster?" "The Beatles did it better" What do I say? I say, that its remarkable how this thing makes those dry close mic'd sounds, sound like they are all together in the same room, and its remarkable how it doesn't change the EQ of the source signal. It sounds quite beautiful to me , what its doing. For me, with the room I have, you can hear how it is in the dry mix, it works perfectly taking that dry mix and "sprinkling it with fairy dust" and makes the song way better IMHO. I hope everyone listens on their studio system and gives the mixes a fair "suck of the saveloy" as we are prone to say here in Oz... I will explain "saveloy" in Nashville to you guys in person 8) I suggest importing the three mixes into your DAW of choice.. then you can solo, mute, split em and mute em..and compare all the live long day... I will buy one. Its great. cheers Wiz So - I do think the Bricasti sounds the best, but for me - and JUST for me right now - it's a hard budget pill to swallow |
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Post by wiz on Sept 4, 2015 17:04:59 GMT -6
can you post the samples you did? Tony I did a lot of testing but its nothing you could call a scientific test in terms of correct send level. I had to do it by ear. Should I post my file anyway? Firstly, thanks for downloading and listening! Secondly Oh Absolutely post it!!! Then tell me what plug in you used.. so I can then see if I have that plug in, or go demo it and test and see for myself. thanks cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Sept 4, 2015 17:07:08 GMT -6
So - I do think the Bricasti sounds the best, but for me - and JUST for me - it's not enough to justify the expense. Hey Johnkennthanks for taking the time bud. Hey, so did you try putting your normal verb or different verbs, or the ocean way.. and come up with something that did it for you.. or just listen to my example of the RELAB. If you did try other reverb plugs I would love to know what you used.. so I can try it too cheers Wiz |
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Post by NoFilterChuck on Sept 4, 2015 17:08:03 GMT -6
I can put the UAD OWS on it. Also EWQL Spaces.
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 4, 2015 17:47:01 GMT -6
wiz My gueswork is that its not enough to use only one algo of the M7. It would be great if you do other presets as well. I also would go with three stages of send level 25 50 and 75% In the demo Casey did on YT it facinated me that he was able to give massive amounts of send level and the Jazzband still was there. The first thing I did today was comparing it to some M7 IR. Very close but as usual IRs are not tweakable and I learned to hate this in the heat of a mix. Its a rare thing that I find an IR that fits the song tempo. Second thing I did try was the Lexicon PCM 96 bundle and I was able to match this very close with your M7 file. It may was not 1:1 the same verb, but to my ears both are high end codes and on the same level. Let me also mention the 2c audio b2. www.2caudio.com/products/b2Play around with the B2 and the M7. I am pretty sure it will bring a diffrent perspective to your opinion. Will uplod my file tommorow. Cheers Holmes
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 4, 2015 18:34:16 GMT -6
So - I do think the Bricasti sounds the best, but for me - and JUST for me right now - it's a hard budget pill to swallow. Hey Johnkennthanks for taking the time bud. Hey, so did you try putting your normal verb or different verbs, or the ocean way.. and come up with something that did it for you.. or just listen to my example of the RELAB. If you did try other reverb plugs I would love to know what you used.. so I can try it too cheers Wiz Didn't even think about it. I might run a snippet through a couple. |
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Post by ericn on Sept 4, 2015 18:54:14 GMT -6
So let's see how many of us could put in $100 we buy an M7 and ship it back and forth!
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Post by wiz on Sept 4, 2015 18:57:58 GMT -6
Well, I just got some great news.
I spoke to the guy who owns the Bricasti I have here.. offering again to buy it off him.
He don't want to sell, but, he said I can use it till his room is up... about a year...
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Wiz
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Post by b1 on Sept 4, 2015 19:01:32 GMT -6
Well, I just got some great news. I spoke to the guy who owns the Bricasti I have here.. offering again to buy it off him. He don't want to sell, but, he said I can use it till his room is up... about a year... 8) cheers Wiz By that time, you'll really want one and the price will have gone up! |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 4, 2015 19:47:18 GMT -6
Cool, good news wiz, that's fantastic!
On the Relab, did you use the Random Hall HD setting, or just Random Hall? There's a big difference,and it wouldn't be fair to the Relab to use only the basic algo. The HD settings are more 3D and just more exiting. The basic settings are the Lexicon sound, the HD settings are supercharged versions.
Maybe you did use the HD, but judging from those files, I thought the Bricastic sounded more like a real room, but I enjoyed the Relab quite a bit, even though it has a tail that pushes against the walls both left and right.
I have the Relab, and when I heard the Bricasti it was just stellar, but I've never been displeased with the Relab in all the time I've had it, which is saying something for a plug-in, their charm often fades after a while.
Please do see if you did use the HD setting, I'd appreciate it wiz.
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Post by wiz on Sept 4, 2015 20:51:21 GMT -6
Well, I just got some great news. I spoke to the guy who owns the Bricasti I have here.. offering again to buy it off him. He don't want to sell, but, he said I can use it till his room is up... about a year... 8) cheers Wiz By that time, you'll really want one and the price will have gone up! Well, that as just not nice... 8) cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Sept 4, 2015 20:52:43 GMT -6
Cool, good news wiz, that's fantastic! On the Relab, did you use the Random Hall HD setting, or just Random Hall? There's a big difference,and it wouldn't be fair to the Relab to use only the basic algo. The HD settings are more 3D and just more exiting. The basic settings are the Lexicon sound, the HD settings are supercharged versions. Maybe you did use the HD, but judging from those files, I thought the Bricastic sounded more like a real room, but I enjoyed the Relab quite a bit, even though it has a tail that pushes against the walls both left and right. I have the Relab, and when I heard the Bricasti it was just stellar, but I've never been displeased with the Relab in all the time I've had it, which is saying something for a plug-in, their charm often fades after a while. Please do see if you did use the HD setting, I'd appreciate it wiz. Hey Martin It was the original Random Hall,not the HD. Thanks for checking it out and commenting. cheers Wiz |
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Post by b1 on Sept 4, 2015 21:09:20 GMT -6
By that time, you'll really want one and the price will have gone up! Well, that as just not nice... 8) cheers Wiz Oh, I didn't intend it to be un-nice. Just the kind of thinking ahead that would be going on in my mind, if I were in your place.  |
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Post by b1 on Sept 4, 2015 21:12:32 GMT -6
I did listen to those files earlier with VLC, and the differences sounded subtle to my ears. I'll load them in the DAW later and give it another go.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 4, 2015 21:29:42 GMT -6
wiz, you gotta try the Hall HD if you can. That would be a much fairer comparison. With the plain Hall, it's kinda like comparing how fast two cars can go, but leaving one in 3rd gear.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 4, 2015 21:43:28 GMT -6
I have the 480 now because of the Steven Slate bundle...but I haven't played around with the Lex that much. How do you get to the HD setting? Hey wiz - can you run this, or a snippet, through the "Wait's Room" preset? That's my favorite room in the impulses I have. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 4, 2015 21:44:19 GMT -6
I'm gonna try and run it through the UAD Lexicon, EMT140 and Valhalla Vintage Verb room...
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 4, 2015 21:53:13 GMT -6
John, at the top right of the GUI window, you'll see the name of the verb setting, click and scroll down, you'll see the same preset, but in the HD mode. Look at the upper right side of the red window, where it says R Hall HD.
I don't know which preset would match the Bricasti best, but I like the Medium Hall HD.
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Post by wiz on Sept 4, 2015 23:45:31 GMT -6
I have the 480 now because of the Steven Slate bundle...but I haven't played around with the Lex that much. How do you get to the HD setting? Hey wiz - can you run this, or a snippet, through the "Wait's Room" preset? That's my favorite room in the impulses I have. I am just uploading it now... I ran it through the Waits Room. Sounds cool... might be even better choice actually... Will post a link when its up.. I will stick it in here and in the first post. Johnkenn Waits Room From Bricasti cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Sept 4, 2015 23:46:37 GMT -6
wiz, you gotta try the Hall HD if you can. That would be a much fairer comparison. With the plain Hall, it's kinda like comparing how fast two cars can go, but leaving one in 3rd gear. Will do... you have Relab.. do you notice much of a difference on this mix switching it from Random Hall to Random Hall HD? cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Sept 4, 2015 23:47:18 GMT -6
I can put the UAD OWS on it. Also EWQL Spaces. THAT.... would be very cool. thanks man cheers Wiz |
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 5, 2015 0:27:09 GMT -6
Cool, good news wiz, that's fantastic! On the Relab, did you use the Random Hall HD setting, or just Random Hall? There's a big difference,and it wouldn't be fair to the Relab to use only the basic algo. The HD settings are more 3D and just more exiting. The basic settings are the Lexicon sound, the HD settings are supercharged versions. Maybe you did use the HD, but judging from those files, I thought the Bricastic sounded more like a real room, but I enjoyed the Relab quite a bit, even though it has a tail that pushes against the walls both left and right. I have the Relab, and when I heard the Bricasti it was just stellar, but I've never been displeased with the Relab in all the time I've had it, which is saying something for a plug-in, their charm often fades after a while. Please do see if you did use the HD setting, I'd appreciate it wiz. Hey Martin It was the original Random Hall,not the HD. Thanks for checking it out and commenting. cheers Wiz Another question I have. Why did you compare room to hall? I compared room to room algo on the pcm. I do think the M7 is a great reverb but I have my doubts that its worth a few grands, by now. Its prooven that you can do high end verb as a plug in, but Bricasti does not want to go with this trend. I am sure they have the know how to port the code without breaking the cpu.... sure it will take man power.... to me its a minus point because my future is called ..... no more racks. In other words if I can choose between a good and another good reverb I do not care about the brand. Lexicon offerd that plug in and that was a big plus point to me, another reason was the plug in was 240 Euro as holyday sale. The HW still is 2.4 k. With the M7 I would love to hear longer tails too. I also would set it up on a lead vocal. Sometimes the magic happens there. |
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Post by wiz on Sept 5, 2015 1:27:37 GMT -6
Another question I have. Why did you compare room to hall? I compared room to room algo on the pcm. I do think the M7 is a great reverb but I have my doubts that its worth a few grands, by now. Its prooven that you can do high end verb as a plug in, but Bricasti does not want to go with this trend. I am sure they have the know how to port the code without breaking the cpu.... sure it will take man power.... to me its a minus point because my future is called ..... no more racks. In other words if I can choose between a good and another good reverb I do not care about the brand. Lexicon offerd that plug in and that was a big plus point to me, another reason was the plug in was 240 Euro as holyday sale. The HW still is 2.4 k. With the M7 I would love to hear longer tails too. I also would set it up on a lead vocal. Sometimes the magic happens there. Cause I like the sound of the Random Hall in the 480L. It is the best reverb I have. Reverb times are approximate the same. Thats, to my mind what is important... its not exactly apples to ostriches 8) I have used the Relab Random Hall on nearly every mix in the last few years.. its my goto. So I used it. cheers Wiz |
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 5, 2015 5:46:42 GMT -6
Another question I have. Why did you compare room to hall? I compared room to room algo on the pcm. I do think the M7 is a great reverb but I have my doubts that its worth a few grands, by now. Its prooven that you can do high end verb as a plug in, but Bricasti does not want to go with this trend. I am sure they have the know how to port the code without breaking the cpu.... sure it will take man power.... to me its a minus point because my future is called ..... no more racks. In other words if I can choose between a good and another good reverb I do not care about the brand. Lexicon offerd that plug in and that was a big plus point to me, another reason was the plug in was 240 Euro as holyday sale. The HW still is 2.4 k. With the M7 I would love to hear longer tails too. I also would set it up on a lead vocal. Sometimes the magic happens there. Cause I like the sound of the Random Hall in the 480L. It is the best reverb I have. Reverb times are approximate the same. Thats, to my mind what is important... its not exactly apples to ostriches 8) I have used the Relab Random Hall on nearly every mix in the last few years.. its my goto. So I used it. cheers Wiz Cool!! I did set up an ABX blind test. With this everybody can tell which one he likes the most without being influenced by brands. Have fun you need drop-box to get the files. I will erase the link tonight, hurry up. 96 khz / 24 Bit www.dropbox.com/s/ucokawqct4i2p9o/Reverb_ABX.zip?dl=0 |
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Post by M57 on Sept 5, 2015 6:28:14 GMT -6
I have dropbox, but no worky.. I get the following error message.. |
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