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Post by jeromemason on Jun 30, 2015 21:08:11 GMT -6
This kicks Spotify's ass. The quality of streaming is exponentially better, and all my music from everywhere is in one place. There's no way people are going back to Pandora or Spotify now that this is out there l. The connect feature, all of it, just killer!
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 30, 2015 21:26:52 GMT -6
it would be very nice if they managed to get artists paid, I imagine the quality of content would elevate with the incentive of actually getting paid... imaging that
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Post by jeromemason on Jun 30, 2015 21:34:03 GMT -6
Really excited about it, I think this is going to do some good for the music industry I really do. I don't see people trying this and then going back Spotify. There's just too many features and it sounds a hell of a lot better. As long as they hold true on the pay out they have promised I will be Using this from now on.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 30, 2015 21:54:18 GMT -6
I've only used Spotify once...Is this better? I'm still wrapping my head around it a bit. It's missing a couple of albums that I've looked for so far...but it's pretty awesome to think of a song and then play it.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 30, 2015 21:57:47 GMT -6
Certainly one of the cool things about this is that I can see myself delving waaaay deeper into an artist than ever before. Take someone like Miles Davis. Of course, there's Kind Of Blue...but I had never really wanted to spend the money to search for my favorite jazz fusion album...lol...I could really see people expanding their horizons with this...Awesome.
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Post by joseph on Jun 30, 2015 22:02:18 GMT -6
The tab between My Music and All is pretty great.
Even for my favorite bands, there's always some material I don't have. Then often there's the bands I've been meaning to listen to more on lower right under influences.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 30, 2015 22:02:34 GMT -6
Wow...I'm listening to Sinatra/Jobim...would've never particularly bought this...
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 30, 2015 22:03:44 GMT -6
Ruh Roh...I'm trying to listen...looks like it's stuck "connecting to store"...I would imagine their servers are getting SWAMPED right now.
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Post by matt on Jun 30, 2015 22:07:14 GMT -6
True originals...I would venture to say you could count them on two hands. Indeed:
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 30, 2015 22:11:40 GMT -6
Ok - I'm a guy that - like I said - was not a record buyer. In fact, when in the recent EVH interview he said he never listened to music, I thought, "damn...me neither..." Anyway, this has just been awesome to go from Otis Redding to They Might Be Giants to Jason Isbell to Def Lepard to Theloniuos Monk to AC/DC to Trisha Yearwood to Blue Oyster Cult to...well, you get the point. Makes me want to make music again...and GOD I need that.
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Post by wiz on Jun 30, 2015 22:50:35 GMT -6
I guess if they take the subscription money for the month, slice off 23% for themselves, divide the rest by the amount of plays, and pay the artist per play...
that would be cool
cheers
Wiz
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Post by mokobigbro on Jul 1, 2015 0:22:37 GMT -6
I am in Indonesia and this is great!
I went straight to the Indonesian playlist.
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Post by jeromemason on Jul 1, 2015 2:50:51 GMT -6
Geeze, I still can't get over how good the streaming sounds. If you ever just listen to the sides of something played from Spotify, Pandora, etc. You can hear that digital fuzz that's hidden or covered up by the audio, with this, it doesn't have that, it's really similar to a CD. I'm incredibly impressed.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 1, 2015 4:43:16 GMT -6
Ok - I'm a guy that - like I said - was not a record buyer. In fact, when in the recent EVH interview he said he never listened to music, I thought, "damn...me neither..." Anyway, this has just been awesome to go from Otis Redding to They Might Be Giants to Jason Isbell to Def Lepard to Theloniuos Monk to AC/DC to Trisha Yearwood to Blue Oyster Cult to...well, you get the point. Makes me want to make music again...and GOD I need that. You've finally seen the light of streaming. A naysayer has been converted. I don't really see how this is going to change everything though. Beyonce, Swift, Kanye, Bro Country, all these people leading the Billboard charts and getting the terrestrial radio spins are still going to be the top dogs here. The general population gained access to the entire music catalog years ago with Spotify and Ke$ha stayed on top. The masses aren't going to suddenly develop taste with Apple's streaming service. Most people here hate all this pop/rap/dance "music" made by these untalented "hacks". You are in the minority. The general population likes this stuff because it's catchy, memorable, and they can grind on each other in the clubs while it's playing. Unfortunately, good music succeeding will always be the exception, not the rule.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jul 1, 2015 6:24:05 GMT -6
Haha... didn't payola bring the likes of Kanye and the other regurgitated mess out there that made the radio a vast wasteland. Focus groups and narrowcasting are what made U.S. radio useless. Payola has long been offered by artists and songwriters as their excuse for failure but radio has always been programmed to please advertisers and not record labels. Calling the local record stores was just a cheap form of market research. Modern computers and the desire of national advertisers to reach ever narrower market segments killed the quality of radio programming.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jul 1, 2015 6:31:11 GMT -6
Maybe I didn't make it clear that there's a huge difference between what people will say they like and what they will actually plunk down money to buy which is often a lot less fashion-oriented. I will say I think Beats-1 is more listenable than our local "alternative" station.
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Post by b1 on Jul 1, 2015 7:04:31 GMT -6
Yeah, I didn't fully understand the iTunes scenario since John's initial post. I started piecing it together at what I perceived to be the same model that has been failing us now; being transplanted to the Internet. I panicked and misread the voting with dollars and advertising statements. NOW, I get it that the customer's money is a truer indication of popularity more than a like button or number of plays. One of the few "radio" joys I had left was discovering new online talent that is becoming too scattered to find. Bringing that all together for a new age for ALL age groups was one of my last true hopes professionally and as a consumer. I hope this works out better for all involved. It'll definitely be interesting to watch.
My new worry in this new found light is if Apple can resist falling prey to the same pressures that has always kicked the small guy aside, for greater revenues from label payola. If the "recently added" and "genre" lists are true, then no worries. But, are mega-corps that trustworthy. Apple wins no matter what, and a non-unified mass of content creators are at the mercy of the distribution network. There needs to be artist unity to offset the power of the mega-corp.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 1, 2015 8:59:40 GMT -6
Ok - I'm a guy that - like I said - was not a record buyer. In fact, when in the recent EVH interview he said he never listened to music, I thought, "damn...me neither..." Anyway, this has just been awesome to go from Otis Redding to They Might Be Giants to Jason Isbell to Def Lepard to Theloniuos Monk to AC/DC to Trisha Yearwood to Blue Oyster Cult to...well, you get the point. Makes me want to make music again...and GOD I need that. You've finally seen the light of streaming. A naysayer has been converted. I don't really see how this is going to change everything though. Beyonce, Swift, Kanye, Bro Country, all these people leading the Billboard charts and getting the terrestrial radio spins are still going to be the top dogs here. The general population gained access to the entire music catalog years ago with Spotify and Ke$ha stayed on top. The masses aren't going to suddenly develop taste with Apple's streaming service. Most people here hate all this pop/rap/dance "music" made by these untalented "hacks". You are in the minority. The general population likes this stuff because it's catchy, memorable, and they can grind on each other in the clubs while it's playing. Unfortunately, good music succeeding will always be the exception, not the rule. I've never been confused about whether it would be cool to have every song you ever wanted at your disposal...the problem was Spoitfy and Pandora wasn't paying for it.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jul 1, 2015 9:14:05 GMT -6
You've finally seen the light of streaming. A naysayer has been converted. I don't really see how this is going to change everything though. Beyonce, Swift, Kanye, Bro Country, all these people leading the Billboard charts and getting the terrestrial radio spins are still going to be the top dogs here. The general population gained access to the entire music catalog years ago with Spotify and Ke$ha stayed on top. The masses aren't going to suddenly develop taste with Apple's streaming service. Most people here hate all this pop/rap/dance "music" made by these untalented "hacks". You are in the minority. The general population likes this stuff because it's catchy, memorable, and they can grind on each other in the clubs while it's playing. Unfortunately, good music succeeding will always be the exception, not the rule. I've never been confused about whether it would be cool to have every song you ever wanted at your disposal...the problem was Spoitfy and Pandora wasn't paying for it. You don't know that Apple is either. Sure, I'm with you, I'm hopeful that the Apple model will be an improvement, but we don't really know yet. Google has been one of the highest paying (at least according to the chart that blows around on the internet), so I went with them and it's been pretty stellar. It's opened my ears to a lot of stuff that I normally wouldn't have heard. Albums that I wouldn't have purchased, but who I may go see live now if they're coming through. At the show, I'm likely to grab a vinyl release, T-shirt, or CD to help support the artist that I like. So, while the artists aren't getting the direct sale from a CD purchase (or MP3, that I likely wouldn't have purchased to begin with unless it was a known commodity), there is still potential earning from my subscription (beyond my subscription fees). I guess this still doesn't help you as a songwriter though, right John? Do you get some kind of performance royalties from the bands that are touring and playing your songs? I have to imagine that you don't see any merch sales right? I guess I have a bit of a skewed view because most of the artists that I have played with/know/work with/listen to are the songwriters, rather than having outside writers, so I see things more from the artist perspective.
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Post by jimwilliams on Jul 1, 2015 9:26:42 GMT -6
Given how Apple Corp has treated musicians like Talor Swift, I'm not inclined to support them here. Then again, I don't own any Apple products. They always seemed "too cool for school" while exploiting foreign cheap labor like a tennis shoe maker.
My in-laws are from Boston and are total Apple geeks, they won't buy anything not Apple. I guess we cancel each other out?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 1, 2015 9:57:54 GMT -6
I've never been confused about whether it would be cool to have every song you ever wanted at your disposal...the problem was Spoitfy and Pandora wasn't paying for it. You don't know that Apple is either. Sure, I'm with you, I'm hopeful that the Apple model will be an improvement, but we don't really know yet. Google has been one of the highest paying (at least according to the chart that blows around on the internet), so I went with them and it's been pretty stellar. It's opened my ears to a lot of stuff that I normally wouldn't have heard. Albums that I wouldn't have purchased, but who I may go see live now if they're coming through. At the show, I'm likely to grab a vinyl release, T-shirt, or CD to help support the artist that I like. So, while the artists aren't getting the direct sale from a CD purchase (or MP3, that I likely wouldn't have purchased to begin with unless it was a known commodity), there is still potential earning from my subscription (beyond my subscription fees). I guess this still doesn't help you as a songwriter though, right John? Do you get some kind of performance royalties from the bands that are touring and playing your songs? I have to imagine that you don't see any merch sales right? I guess I have a bit of a skewed view because most of the artists that I have played with/know/work with/listen to are the songwriters, rather than having outside writers, so I see things more from the artist perspective. There is no free tier, so there will be more money altogether. I have more faith in Apple than any other service.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 1, 2015 11:06:16 GMT -6
Given how Apple Corp has treated musicians like Talor Swift, I'm not inclined to support them here. Then again, I don't own any Apple products. They always seemed "too cool for school" while exploiting foreign cheap labor like a tennis shoe maker. My in-laws are from Boston and are total Apple geeks, they won't buy anything not Apple. I guess we cancel each other out? ? IMO, the only valuable contribution Taylor Swift has ever made to music is getting apple to pay artists during their 3 months free trail period, I love her for that! One thing i will say for apple, is they are creative, and they seem to appreciate a higher quality standard, if you've ever opened up a mac pro tower, it's astonishingly beautifully built, it makes ANY pc look like a joke inside, and i won't get into how much better the OS is, hopefully they will maintain that model and fair compensation will be passed on to music creators, perhaps leading to improved content for those of us who enjoy originality, honest creativity, and walk upright haha? here's to hoping.
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Post by b1 on Jul 1, 2015 11:50:07 GMT -6
The new fad now is to can the Apple-ware and install the OS on an x99 PC board.
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Post by jeromemason on Jul 1, 2015 13:13:54 GMT -6
Yeah, well they have Apple watches that cost $20k, I"d consider that too cool for school. But, with their computers and phones theres actual quality in those products. I mean they came up with the concept of putting all their devices in rigid aluminum, and I know it's saved my ass countless times when I would drop my macbook or iPhone. One thing, Apple has always been a music company, they are heavily involved with a lot of the music industry, if they were to short anyone it would ruin them, and quickly. You saw what happened with Taylor and how fast they completely re-wrote the start-up of Apple Music. They will pay what they say they will pay and I can't see them using any sleezy loopholes to fuck over people either. The leadership at Apple seems to be staying true, Jobs was honestly an ambassador for the music business, he made us all a lot of money with the iPod and iTunes when pirating started, he found a way to make it so people would still want to pay for music. This is really similar, if you look at how they've set this up, people are going to want to keep those subscriptions after the trial, once the connect and community become a part of people's lives they'll never want to give that up. For $15.99 6 people in a family can have this, and for $9.99 single folks can, of course they'll keep paying and it'll become the "too cool for school" fad that people want to be a part of, a new culture, a new idea for those that don't place value on music. I think Apple thought, "if we can't get them to value music, we'll create a community they will value." This is brilliant, and there's no way Spotify will keep up with this either, they are a drop in the bucket compared to Apple's number of members. I could really see a very large majority of Apples members joining this, if not damn near all. Streaming has become the way people really want their music delivered. The beauty of Apple Music is they are creating a culture around the streaming, almost like the same culture that sat in front of the record player reading the record jacket while they listened to the tunes. Now people can start listening to an album and dive into the a community about it, allowing them to connect (good name apple) with music again. Clearly you guys have to see Apple cares about the music industry, just look at how this thing is set up, you can see they are trying to fix this.
I'm an optimist, everytime something like this comes along I want to speak positive about it and I want it to help change the way this crazy ass business has become. I want those days of budgets that actually allowed creativity and people like me to make a nice living doing this, and don't say those days are gone, because if the money comes back those days are not gone.
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Post by donr on Jul 1, 2015 13:45:29 GMT -6
You can probably state less than 50% will go to the rights owners, fairly safely. I think of the 10 million Monopoly Moneys we're talking, 2 million going to the artists would be an optimistic number. The money would have to be paid as a percentage of the Artist's allocation of the subscription of the subscription otherwise they risk having to pay more than was budgeted. People leaving on playlists, muting their laptop and going to cook dinner could listen to hours of music without ears being present. Expensive! If that's not the case I'd imagine the royalty income per play that is arranged will be so small that there is almost guaranteed surplus for Apple to pocket after the fact. Could an artist, pay for a family plan, set up 6 computers that would continually play the artist's music around the clock, break even in royalties with the subscription? Make a profit? I wonder.
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