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Post by jeromemason on Jun 30, 2015 8:26:44 GMT -6
I hope, Pandora and Spotify are the 3rd and 4th most grossed apps respectively.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 30, 2015 8:38:39 GMT -6
Haven't looked at this yet. I have three albums on iTunes, what if anything does an artist get that's any different from the general public?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 30, 2015 8:48:06 GMT -6
I saw where iOS comes out at 10AM Pacific.
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Post by odyssey76 on Jun 30, 2015 9:16:54 GMT -6
Funny, I hate all digital and download/streaming formats with a seething passion. Never have and never will use it. Levon, Mobeach and I are old school  When I have time to listen, it's an active process. Sit down, get a drink, dim the lights and pay attention to listening. Nothing better than reading the liner notes/album jackets while doing so. Best with vinyl, harder with CDs, impossible with streaming. It's a lost art.
Throw me on that list as well. I've purchased 2 digital downloads (both single songs) in my entire life and I've felt like a dirty whore ever since. I won't buy a single from an artist. If I like that song then I check out samples of the entire record. If half the record is good, I'll buy it. I work really hard for my money and I expect a band to work really hard (i.e. putting all efforts into a full album, multiple songs) if they want my money. One good single on an album with 9-11 horrible songs is BS and shouldn't be rewarded. Obviously just my opinion ......,, |
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Post by b1 on Jun 30, 2015 9:22:57 GMT -6
I bought 3 digital tracks 10 years ago and the DRM messed up for some reason (don't remember why), so I stream recorded the other 2 to keep them as wavs. That ended it for me (so far).
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 30, 2015 10:16:24 GMT -6
Got it on the ipad and iphone...no idea how to get it on the computer.
Kind of an auspicious start...First thing I tried to listen to was The Beatles...and they aren't available.
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Post by drbill on Jun 30, 2015 10:41:41 GMT -6
After my "upgrade" to Yosemite (and now we're already looking towards El Capitan?  Really? SLOW DOWN), Apple is on my $#@! list. Not going to do this anytime soon. But I'm sure that you guys that do will have great sync between your watch, iPhone, laptop and towers. LOL |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 30, 2015 13:51:29 GMT -6
How is this any different than the other updates you e done? Not sure I understand the outrage.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 30, 2015 14:19:00 GMT -6
What encourages me is that they seem to have figured out that streaming is really radio and live jocks are important. Now if they tie programming to sales, i.e. music fans voting with their wallets, they could force commercial radio to get their act together again.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 30, 2015 14:35:38 GMT -6
They should let the public be the program director. "You tell us what to play with your votes..."
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Jun 30, 2015 14:43:27 GMT -6
The votes must be with people's wallets. Today's programming is driven by opinion polls. I think that's the problem.
If we really had payola, I can assure you the programming would be lots better because you've got to love music to put up with being in the music business.
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Post by b1 on Jun 30, 2015 14:44:02 GMT -6
They should let the public be the program director. "You tell us what to play with your votes..." That seems like the natural order of things... No payola. |
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Post by b1 on Jun 30, 2015 14:47:46 GMT -6
Payola brought you "Muskrat Love" 'til your ears bled.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 30, 2015 15:52:47 GMT -6
They should let the public be the program director. "You tell us what to play with your votes..." That seems like the natural order of things... No payola. a million times NO!!! Think about what the lack of artist development has done to the musical landscape, there is an overwhelming sea of shit and AE's who make the shit even worse, i long for back in the day, now get off my damn lawn! 8) |
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Post by b1 on Jun 30, 2015 15:57:31 GMT -6
That seems like the natural order of things... No payola. a million times NO!!! Think about what the lack of artist development has done to the musical landscape, there is an overwhelming sea of shit and AE's who make the shit even worse, i long for back in the day, now get off my damn lawn! 8) Haha... didn't payola bring the likes of Kanye and the other regurgitated mess out there that made the radio a vast wasteland. Leave my Internets alone. Don't force it to be the status quo to drag down new/better possibilities to a lower level. |
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Post by drbill on Jun 30, 2015 15:58:01 GMT -6
How is this any different than the other updates you e done? Not sure I understand the outrage. No outrage - just frustration John. Yosemite is not up for Prime Time IMO, and they've already announced El Capitan. (Fall 2015) Their development is too fast and leaves essentials unfinished with more concerns for some silicon valley genius's cool new idea than for making systems work right, and interfacing with 3rd party developers to get stuff solid. That plus them breaking installers for older software with every updated OS, and I'm (gasp, I can hardly believe I'm saying this) considering a PC next time around. What I've got will last me a few years though....maybe they will implode or figure out what their customers need between now and then. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 30, 2015 16:07:22 GMT -6
Well, that is true. I moved to Yosemite on mine and then moved back to Mavericks because of some stuttering.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 30, 2015 16:30:56 GMT -6
a million times NO!!! Think about what the lack of artist development has done to the musical landscape, there is an overwhelming sea of shit and AE's who make the shit even worse, i long for back in the day, now get off my damn lawn! 8) Haha... didn't payola bring the likes of Kanye and the other regurgitated mess out there that made the radio a vast wasteland. Leave my Internets alone. Don't force it to be the status quo to drag down new/better possibilities to a lower level. hmmm... i'm guessing there is probably no winning, and unintended consequences no matter. |
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Post by b1 on Jun 30, 2015 16:46:58 GMT -6
Haha... didn't payola bring the likes of Kanye and the other regurgitated mess out there that made the radio a vast wasteland. Leave my Internets alone. Don't force it to be the status quo to drag down new/better possibilities to a lower level. hmmm... i'm guessing there is probably no winning, and unintended consequences no matter. Please explain... So it should stay as it always has? Pinstripes making your decisions, and blocking the merits of good music based on the whims of a "secret society". |
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Post by b1 on Jun 30, 2015 16:57:32 GMT -6
So put the playlist up there, but in this day and age, there should be a "fast forward"> or "next">> button.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 30, 2015 17:13:46 GMT -6
hmmm... i'm guessing there is probably no winning, and unintended consequences no matter. Please explain... So it should stay as it always has? Pinstripes making your decisions, and blocking the merits of good music based on the whims of a "secret society". I'm saying no matter what happens, there will be a dark side, considering the current state of music, the old model was VASTLY superior IMV. |
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Post by b1 on Jun 30, 2015 17:34:24 GMT -6
I can respect your opinion. But the Internet is interactive. It's an opportunity for a whole new ballgame that works better for the artist and listener. It looks like there could be a little of both views, but one is going to choke the other out eventually. I don't think the two models can co-exist, really. I think I'll need a fast forward button, and I don't have time to wait for holograms to come around . The minstrel having an uninhibited platform, relating to only the listener seems like a nice setup. If he gets voted out, then the public wins and the "artist" learned something. But, he would be vying for the public's attention only. |
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Post by b1 on Jun 30, 2015 17:42:26 GMT -6
On a side note, on the nets, people like to be a part of the experience, whether comments or votes. That is a considerable factor that shouldn't be overlooked, IMO.
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Post by LesC on Jun 30, 2015 17:48:47 GMT -6
Just my opinion, but the model that gave us the Beatles, Cream, Hendrix, Led Zeppelin, Van Halen, etc. doesn't seem that bad compared to what we have now and is being developed. Yes, the "old days" we had to listen to some crap and I'm sure lots of great acts didn't make it. But with today's model, we're getting mostly crap, and there is so much "music" being produced that nobody has the time to listen to it all and try to sort the little bit of wheat from the chaff. So the public votes for the sensational or the risque because that's what they're presented with, and actual talent is most often just lost in the shuffle. I'll take the payola model anyday.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 30, 2015 17:52:36 GMT -6
I can respect your opinion. But the Internet is interactive. It's an opportunity for a whole new ballgame that works better for the artist and listener. It looks like there could be a little of both views, but one is going to choke the other out eventually. I don't think the two models can co-exist, really. I think I'll need a fast forward button, and I don't have time to wait for holograms to come around . The minstrel having an uninhibited platform, relating to only the listener seems like a nice setup. If he gets voted out, then the public wins and the "artist" learned something. But, he would be vying for the public's attention only. I get what your saying, I don't know what the answer is, but i believe the opportunity you speak of has flooded us with 99% crap because any schmo can record their "master piece" in their bedroom at their moms house and put it like a turd in the pipeline haha, i mean people don't hardly even play music with each other anymore...wtf? The old model is dead and buried in the backyard, next to that body you will also find the body of any chance of the next Beatles, zep, eagles. From my fingers to God's ears, i hope i'm totally wrong! |
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Really? SLOW DOWN), Apple is on my $#@! list. Not going to do this anytime soon. But I'm sure that you guys that do will have great sync between your watch, iPhone, laptop and towers. LOL
