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Post by Ward on Jun 6, 2015 19:25:00 GMT -6
I have no problem with tuning if it's done correctly. This surprises me, considering you can actually sing in tune. |
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Post by Randge on Jun 6, 2015 19:41:13 GMT -6
It's a tool, just like eq or compression. It's an effect that makes it sound like I want to hear it when it's needed.
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Post by jazznoise on Jun 6, 2015 19:41:25 GMT -6
I don't like to use pitch correction. I'd rather punch in over the dodgy parts and get them right. However I've used Melodyne and it's great - especially for backing vocals where they were recorded on a stereo mic array or something similar, or on a guitar recording where the B string goes flat after the guys first solo.
However for lead vocals I'd rather insert a pitch shifter and automate it so I can pull a note a few cents flat or sharp because most cheaper ones tend to destroy any glides and funk with the vibrato.
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Post by Randge on Jun 6, 2015 19:45:54 GMT -6
jazznoise, you would dig Vari-Audio if you ever used it. There is no reason to hear pitch correcting with today's technology.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 19:56:08 GMT -6
I have Melodyne integrated in the DAW, so this is what i use.
I use it creatively in the first line, as audio to midi converter, as an effect, for elastic bending of audio material...
For small corrections, it sounds the least obtrusive and has the easiest handling of everything i have used in this field yet.
No complaints at all, so i won't gonna dump it anytime soon...
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 6, 2015 20:02:40 GMT -6
I don't mind talented people using it as a tool, i mind talentless prats using it to dumb down the public and to steal work from talented musicians who would use it as a tool. Shouldn't people who call themselves singers be held to some sort of rudimentary musical standard?
cue Kesha
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 20:13:13 GMT -6
Britney Spears is something like a funny musical genious compared to 'this'. LOL.
At least self-ironic ... and not that tragic...IMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 20:16:06 GMT -6
It was the first song in the charts that made me really laugh in an entertaining way about effects usage in modern pop, btw..
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Post by M57 on Jun 7, 2015 4:50:30 GMT -6
Is there anyone left who does not use pitch correction? Yes ..but I want to sometimes! |
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Post by M57 on Jun 7, 2015 4:53:32 GMT -6
I don't have an autotune plug yet, but does anyone use the one that comes with Logic X? I once used it to clean up an out of tune bass string and it worked pretty well.
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Post by mobeach on Jun 7, 2015 5:47:52 GMT -6
I use it to fix weak notes or an occasional bad note. There might be a perfect take (with the exception of 1 or 2 notes) with some parts that might not be able to be recreated with another take, so why not use it?
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Post by jazznoise on Jun 7, 2015 6:35:12 GMT -6
jazznoise, you would dig Vari-Audio if you ever used it. There is no reason to hear pitch correcting with today's technology. I probably would, but I've no intention of swapping to Cubase at the moment. Though the hardware insert latency compensation looks pretty cool! Supposed to be top of its game in that respect. |
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Post by Randge on Jun 7, 2015 7:14:52 GMT -6
For what you would buy Melodyne and others for, you can come close to picking up a version of Cubase. You can also download a trial version and try it for free. Try it with someone who knows Cubase well so you can get a real idea what the program is capable of.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 7, 2015 8:05:44 GMT -6
I've used Apples Flex Pitch in small doses occasionally, and it always seems great, until some artifact gets created for no reason I can see, other than Flex pitch was turned on. I have Waves Tune, and the same things happen. should've gotten Melodyne I guess. I try to only tweak something a little if at all. I might bring one or two notes that are say..32% flat up to 15% flat, but I leave them to be naturally imperfect, all I try to do is lessen the damage.
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Post by swurveman on Jun 7, 2015 8:50:31 GMT -6
I don't mind talented people using it as a tool, i mind talentless prats using it to dumb down the public and to steal work from talented musicians who would use it as a tool. Shouldn't people who call themselves singers be held to some sort of rudimentary musical standard? I think the other dimension is, knowing that they can fix flat or sharp notes with software, young singers may not be working as hard on their technique. In this video, you'll hear Stevie Nicks working her vibrato and Taylor swift not even trying. Now, Nicks may come to hers naturally- a rare gift- but singing well used to be hard work for most to get to a point where they aren't obviously flat or sharp. |
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Post by mrholmes on Jun 7, 2015 9:00:27 GMT -6
I use the one that comes with Cubase where needed. For tuning harmonic content friends sware by Melodyne. I remember a Melodyne hype. I bought it too and found out that the stock autotune in Logic just works fine on LV for minor corrections with minor artifacts...... |
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Post by mobeach on Jun 7, 2015 11:09:40 GMT -6
I don't mind talented people using it as a tool, i mind talentless prats using it to dumb down the public and to steal work from talented musicians who would use it as a tool. Shouldn't people who call themselves singers be held to some sort of rudimentary musical standard? I think the other dimension is, knowing that they can fix flat or sharp notes with software, young singers may not be working as hard on their technique. In this video, you'll hear Stevie Nicks working her vibrato and Taylor swift not even trying. Now, Nicks may come to hers naturally- a rare gift- but singing well used to be hard work for most to get to a point where they aren't obviously flat or sharp. Swift probably has Autotune set up in the same way it's used for tracking, which is pretty much turning it into a vocal processor along the lines of a TC Helicon. You can't do that with Melodyne. |
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Post by M57 on Jun 7, 2015 11:40:21 GMT -6
Swift can't be that bad - she must not be hearing herself properly. A problem with her in-ear monitor maybe? I mean - she's too consistently out of tune ..i.e. by the same # of cents..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2015 12:14:30 GMT -6
M57, to me it seems like she just has too little control. Heaven, it's disgusting. How hard would it have been to up an in-ear she is obviously wearing? Singers had to deal with hearing themselves in all kind of suboptimal situations since electrical amplification, and it's never been easier than nowadays...
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Post by ericn on Jun 7, 2015 12:54:35 GMT -6
M57, to me it seems like she just has too little control. Heaven, it's disgusting. How hard would it have been to up an in-ear she is obviously wearing? Singers had to deal with hearing themselves in all kind of suboptimal situations since electrical amplification, and it's never been easier than nowadays... She has to know how to communicate to her monitor mixer, if the guy behind the board has no idea what she wants he can't do it. |
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Post by ericn on Jun 7, 2015 13:02:16 GMT -6
It's a tool, just like eq or compression. It's an effect that makes it sound like I want to hear it when it's needed. It's a tool like many before it it's also become a crutch and an effect. We all have had that artist who just can't hit that note, and when it becomes a problem, ie the session stalls or the frustration starts to kill the vibe hey what the hell. For decades we did it with an Eventide and a razor blade, now we can do it a lot faster. It's when most of the final comp that it becomes to much, Even the first time with Cher it was cool, now everytime I here Adam Levine all I can hear is the auto tune! And I loved Its getting hard and harder to breathe which had a very heavy auto tune effect ! |
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Post by mobeach on Jun 7, 2015 13:55:35 GMT -6
When Swift performed at the CMA'a with Vince Gill and Alison Krauss she was singing sharp. It seems any time she's away from her own FOH guy there's issues with her singing.
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Post by M57 on Jun 7, 2015 13:56:21 GMT -6
M57, to me it seems like she just has too little control. Heaven, it's disgusting. How hard would it have been to up an in-ear she is obviously wearing? Singers had to deal with hearing themselves in all kind of suboptimal situations since electrical amplification, and it's never been easier than nowadays... She has to know how to communicate to her monitor mixer, if the guy behind the board has no idea what she wants he can't do it. Well, obviously she doesn't realize she's out of tune - so it may not be a matter of her not communicating - It may be a case of the FOH guy falling asleep behind the wheel. Jcoutu? ..any thoughts on this? What's weird is I don't see Ms. Nicks getting squeamish. I know I would be ..maybe she's just too professional to show it on stage, but at least a quick glance at the FOH engineer is in order?? Then again, maybe it's that I'm in denial and you all are right - today's pop stars can't sing in tune. |
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Post by ericn on Jun 7, 2015 14:16:36 GMT -6
She has to know how to communicate to her monitor mixer, if the guy behind the board has no idea what she wants he can't do it. Well, obviously she doesn't realize she's out of tune - so it may not be a matter of her not communicating - It may be a case of the FOH guy falling asleep behind the wheel. Jcoutu? ..any thoughts on this? What's weird is I don't see Ms. Nicks getting squeamish. I know I would be ..maybe she's just too professional to show it on stage, but at least a quick glance at the FOH engineer is in order?? Then again, maybe it's that I'm in denial and you all are right - today's pop stars can't sing in tune. It's about monitor guy not FOH ! FOH is easy wedges is about relationship with the act, some will even have on monitor mixer for band and one for Vocals ! I remember When Randy who's know with Yammah left The Clair Bros Micheal Jackson Fold. MJ could have cared less about who did FOH, but Randy had to Teach the new monitor guy for about a month before MJ would let him go! Also realize awards shows and othe big one offs are a cluster f@&k! Between RF guys and tho politics of who's behind the board and who sets up the board it's just a big old mess. Prince doing a show is a big deal because he will only go on stage if its his rig and his crew but that's why he always sounds great! |
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 7, 2015 14:34:04 GMT -6
Swift can't be that bad - she must not be hearing herself properly. A problem with her in-ear monitor maybe? I mean - she's too consistently out of tune ..i.e. by the same # of cents.. Can she hear herself properly in the studio? Compare this to say...Dolly Parton, man have we slid culturally, how is supreme talent losing out to the soulless glorification of mediocre frauds? |
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