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Post by svart on Jun 5, 2015 14:19:03 GMT -6
Which ones do you guys use? I've tried a variety of cheap/free ones that don't seem to work very well. I'm thinking of WavesTune or something else..
And yeah, I know, get the singer to do it right.. But sometimes that just doesn't quite cut it no matter how hard anyone works on it.
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Post by lpedrum on Jun 5, 2015 14:33:21 GMT -6
I use the one that comes with Cubase where needed. For tuning harmonic content friends sware by Melodyne.
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Post by matt on Jun 5, 2015 14:36:48 GMT -6
Melodyne Studio here. Works well - almost too well. It's easy to overdo it and make the vocal too smooth. So I use it mostly for minor pitch correction, and even then, judiciously. I de-ess on the way in because the software seems to accentuate sibilance a little.
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Post by stratboy on Jun 5, 2015 14:48:49 GMT -6
Started with Waves Tune LE. Went to Melodyne Studio and never looked back. Waves is okay but sounded a little unnatural to me, plus the workflow is a bit quirky. Melodyne sounds very natural and you can do a lot with it. I try not to spend much on plugins, but Melodyne was worth the money.
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Post by svart on Jun 5, 2015 15:13:22 GMT -6
Wow, that was instantly 3 votes for melodyne.
I checked it out, and it seems like it's a super powerful tool besides just doing autotuning. Seems they have 4 versions of it, but the explanations are light on details..
Any thoughts on which one I should get? I mainly want to use it for pitch correction, but i might use some of the other features eventually.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 5, 2015 15:16:26 GMT -6
Make it a fourth. You can make it super transparent.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 5, 2015 15:17:56 GMT -6
I always liked Melodyne too, but I'm due for an upgrade.
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Post by ionian on Jun 5, 2015 16:00:37 GMT -6
Another melodyne user here. I love it - always seems to do a good job.
When working on my own songs, I tend to use it like this -
I sing my vocal take and then use Melodyne to tune it 100% - to where it sounds perfect and artificial. I then sing along with that a few times in my headphones to really get my pitch nailed. With my guide vocal melodyned 100% in my headphones, it's easy to hear when my own pitch drifts while tracking the vocal. That way I'm left with a vocal take that's pretty much in tune but I haven't melodyned it. I use melodyne to make a perfect guide vocal to practice and sing with. Then if my tuning is off anywhere while doing the new take of the vocal, it's only by a tiny bit and then I when I use melodyne, it's super transparent.
Of course no artist I work with sadly is willing to put that kind of effort into tracking a vocal, so it's a technique I use just with myself.
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Post by jeromemason on Jun 5, 2015 16:09:46 GMT -6
Melodyne. Most natural I've used so far.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 5, 2015 16:42:02 GMT -6
Melodyne can still mangle things - in a different way than. Autotune. Sometimes it can do a number on the esses,, so you really have to listen
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Post by ericn on Jun 5, 2015 17:51:20 GMT -6
Melodyne has always felt more real when you keep things under control.
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Post by LesC on Jun 5, 2015 17:53:59 GMT -6
Wow, that was instantly 3 votes for melodyne. I checked it out, and it seems like it's a super powerful tool besides just doing autotuning. Seems they have 4 versions of it, but the explanations are light on details.. Any thoughts on which one I should get? I mainly want to use it for pitch correction, but i might use some of the other features eventually. I have Melodyne Studio, but the last few years I've used Melodyne Editor exclusively as a Cubase plugin. It's polyphonic, so as well as pitch correction you can use it to alter the notes in a chord or to reveal the notes in a commercial production, if you occasionally need to do that.
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Post by svart on Jun 5, 2015 19:02:47 GMT -6
So it looks like Melodyne assistant is what I need, so I bought it. I'll let you know how it works..
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Post by Randge on Jun 5, 2015 19:47:50 GMT -6
I have had them all, but since Vari-Audio came to Cubase, its all I need. Its a fantastic program with no bridging and no cpu bog. Also, since it is built into the program, it has no added expense.
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Post by mobeach on Jun 5, 2015 19:48:16 GMT -6
Melodyne Editor
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Post by ngallio on Jun 5, 2015 19:54:15 GMT -6
I used to use Melodyne too, then Digital Performer introduced its own pitch editing capabilities and I've used that since. Can't tell much difference and I much prefer the fact that DP's pitch editing function is tightly integrated.
I must say though that I never do any editing on artist's "mistakes" unless specifically asked. So it means that my experience with pitch correction is modest at best.
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Post by svart on Jun 5, 2015 20:02:38 GMT -6
I usually push the artist to do real takes, and usually I can piece together a track from all the takes, but I've run across a few that just can't seem to get it 100% no matter what. It burns time and money, so it's at the point where using a tool to move things along is beneficial to all involved.
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Post by donr on Jun 5, 2015 22:05:53 GMT -6
I usually push the artist to do real takes, and usually I can piece together a track from all the takes, but I've run across a few that just can't seem to get it 100% no matter what. It burns time and money, so it's at the point where using a tool to move things along is beneficial to all involved. I always fix any pitch issues in my own vocals that bother me. DP's pitch tools are great, and I tweak the offending bit by ear, not snapping it to an equal temperament pitch grid. Autotune is usefull if set to the proper key and used consciously, especially for background vocals where you know what you want them to sound like. I'd like to try Melodyne.
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Post by keymod on Jun 6, 2015 4:34:31 GMT -6
Is there anyone left who does not use pitch correction?
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Post by Ward on Jun 6, 2015 6:21:25 GMT -6
Is there anyone left who does not use pitch correction? YES!! No high-fructose audio corn syrup for me, thank you very much!! Nothing I do or sing for others has any sort of autotune, melodyne, etc on it. RULES: 1. If you didn't sing it right, sing it again. 2. If you can't sing it right, let someone else sing it. 3. Some singers are routinely 7 to 12 cents flat due to hearing difficulties using headphones. Manually correcting that doesn't count.
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Post by ngallio on Jun 6, 2015 6:26:28 GMT -6
Is there anyone left who does not use pitch correction? YES!! No high-fructose audio corn syrup for me, thank you very much!! Nothing I do or sing for others has any sort of autotune, melodyne, etc on it. RULES: 1. If you didn't sing it right, sing it again. 2. If you can't sing it right, let someone else sing it. 3. Some singers are routinely 7 to 12 cents flat due to hearing difficulties using headphones. Manually correcting that doesn't count. I agree totally, should I start to worry? ;-)
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Post by Ward on Jun 6, 2015 6:33:50 GMT -6
YES!! No high-fructose audio corn syrup for me, thank you very much!! Nothing I do or sing for others has any sort of autotune, melodyne, etc on it. RULES: 1. If you didn't sing it right, sing it again. 2. If you can't sing it right, let someone else sing it. 3. Some singers are routinely 7 to 12 cents flat due to hearing difficulties using headphones. Manually correcting that doesn't count. I agree totally, should I start to worry? ;-) well.... I did warn everybody
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Post by Randge on Jun 6, 2015 7:49:49 GMT -6
I think there is room for it all. Alison Krauss wouldn't have her sound without the slickness and Buddy Miller wouldn't have his mojo by approaching his recordings like an Alison record. It helps to separate artists in genres that are dangerously close together and gives them individuality. I have made both with Lauderdale. This record was done with the entire band singing and playing around 2 RCA 44's and a stereo Royer SF-24. www.amazon.com/Old-Time-Angels-Jim-Lauderdale/dp/B00FBLST3S#customerReviewsand this one isolated and more polished. www.amazon.com/Carolina-Moonrise-Bluegrass-Robert-Lauderdale/dp/B0098465D0We had fun making both and neither record would be the same if the approach were single minded. I am glad I have just enough studio to be able to do both approaches and that not be a hindrance to the production.
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Post by tonycamphd on Jun 6, 2015 8:21:28 GMT -6
There is room for it all, but the "corn syrup" is ubiquitous in the music diet of today, no matter it's killing music, I hear it slathered on everything for the 2 seconds before I shut that shit off...
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 6, 2015 19:20:52 GMT -6
I have no problem with tuning if it's done correctly.
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