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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 21, 2013 16:37:14 GMT -6
I have an LC53A I'm demoing...Tried it on bass last night... The chain was P Bass-->VP28-->Sta-Level-->VC528 Missing Link. added 4db @ 100Hz and 6db @ 3kHz...then rolled off -6db @ 40Hz on the VC528. Punchy, clean - guess that depends on how hard you drive the input...but AWESOME. Really looking forward to trying it out on Acoustics.
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Post by dandeurloo on Jul 21, 2013 20:10:42 GMT -6
I have a pair. They are great.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 21, 2013 20:31:09 GMT -6
Hey Dan - thanks for coming by...Please drop by when you can...
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Post by 4trakheadstak on Jul 22, 2013 9:13:49 GMT -6
A pair of those are on my list. I need to start building something but can't decide between a pultec from scratch or the LC53A. I really like how the original 553 sounds. I wonder if phase shift is better or worse with the LC53 due to the splitting of the frequency bands. And any word as too when the classic 553 will be ready? good luck with the new forum.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 22, 2013 9:32:47 GMT -6
Hey 4track - talk more about what you're talking about with phase shift.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 22, 2013 9:33:28 GMT -6
Anybody want to hear the Love Child on any particular instruments?
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Post by 4trakheadstak on Jul 22, 2013 9:37:39 GMT -6
Just reading the description on Classicapi.com. In order to use separate inductors for each freq. band, he built an opamp to buffer each band from one another. Seems that there is inherently going to be some issue with that right? Not that it still can't sound good. Just curious for the sake of conversation.
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Post by gfunny72 on Jul 22, 2013 10:35:27 GMT -6
When is the Heider going to be available to purchase? I keep checking RackNRoll website but I don't see any information on it.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 22, 2013 10:55:50 GMT -6
When is the Heider going to be available to purchase? I keep checking RackNRoll website but I don't see any information on it. Jeffrey?
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Post by jsteiger on Jul 22, 2013 12:09:36 GMT -6
When is the Heider going to be available to purchase? I keep checking RackNRoll website but I don't see any information on it. Our goal was for a Sept 1st release with the production units. Like all new products, it is taking a tad longer to get all the balls rolling. I should have PCB's at the assembly house in about 2 weeks. Hopefully it will be downhill from there. We are now shooting for a Oct 1st release on the RnR site.
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Post by 4trakheadstak on Jul 22, 2013 12:54:31 GMT -6
What is the time frame for the classic 553?
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Post by jsteiger on Jul 22, 2013 13:02:53 GMT -6
What is the time frame for the classic 553? Well, that is a tricky one. The module is 100% done and I have had 100% of the parts here since Feb 2012 or so. I have not had (or made?) a spare week to get all of the build docs together as well as sort all of the initial parts kits. At the rate of current store orders, I can hardly even guess when I will get them to market. Kinda sad but a good problem to have I suppose. Or, maybe I am just letting these killer inductors age a little.......
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Post by btreim on Jul 22, 2013 13:19:27 GMT -6
What kind of chassis are people running their CAPI's on? I've personally never had any issues with the standard API racks, but thinking about jumping over to the Radial stuff. The back panel is just so much sexier.
Thanks for putting this forum together John!
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Post by svart on Jul 22, 2013 13:31:28 GMT -6
I run mine in a first edition 51X rack, although I only run mine at API standard voltages, not the +/-24.
Jeff, how about doing a (semi)passive switchable high/low pass filter 500 module? Doesn't need the bells and whistles of a full blown EQ module, just something with a couple choices for each and maybe a little makeup gain, or not if the input level can null the insertion loss. I'd like to be able to filter the outputs of my existing modules before going to the A/D.
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Post by matt on Jul 22, 2013 13:51:26 GMT -6
When is the Heider going to be available to purchase? I keep checking RackNRoll website but I don't see any information on it. Our goal was for a Sept 1st release with the production units. Like all new products, it is taking a tad longer to get all the balls rolling. I should have PCB's at the assembly house in about 2 weeks. Hopefully it will be downhill from there. We are now shooting for a Oct 1st release on the RnR site. By "RacknRoll", do you mean this: www.racknrollaudio.com/Matt
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Post by jsteiger on Jul 22, 2013 13:54:44 GMT -6
Our goal was for a Sept 1st release with the production units. Like all new products, it is taking a tad longer to get all the balls rolling. I should have PCB's at the assembly house in about 2 weeks. Hopefully it will be downhill from there. We are now shooting for a Oct 1st release on the RnR site. By "RacknRoll", do you mean this: www.racknrollaudio.com/Matt Yes!!
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 22, 2013 14:02:06 GMT -6
Yep
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Post by tonycamphd on Jul 22, 2013 15:08:13 GMT -6
What kind of chassis are people running their CAPI's on? I've personally never had any issues with the standard API racks, but thinking about jumping over to the Radial stuff. The back panel is just so much sexier. Thanks for putting this forum together John! I have 2 51x chassis, i'm running a lot of capi stuff, but also a pair of G9 tube pre 500's that utilize the 24v rails, I think 51x is like a 747 rumbling and bumbling down the runway before it goes skyward! My prediction is it will be THEE chassis before long?
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Post by junior on Jul 22, 2013 16:47:36 GMT -6
What kind of chassis are people running their CAPI's on? I've personally never had any issues with the standard API racks, but thinking about jumping over to the Radial stuff. The back panel is just so much sexier. Thanks for putting this forum together John! I've been using a Purple Sweet Ten. I wanted something that was mobile (no additional PS to lug around) and it's turned out to be a really solid purchase. The Radial and 51x racks look really nice too...
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Post by wreck on Jul 23, 2013 10:40:54 GMT -6
I installed my 1st patchbay last night which prompted me to pull the snake box into my control room. That, in turn, prompted me to do a little preamp testing which I had not done on my own. I basically ran a slightly over-driven guitar into 4 preamps - VP28(all reddot), VP26(gar2520), Focusrite ISA428 and GAP573. I didn't bounce down the test to post because of how much ridicule you'd get on slutz for being an unscientific idiot, but maybe everyone here will be more appreciative of such efforts. In any case, my unscientific conclusions following that comparison are that the VP28 is definitely impacted by the additional electronics in the path. The VP 26 sounded a little cleaner, with less distortion in the signal. I think that should be expected. While the 26 sounded cleaner, the 28 sounded closer to what my final tracks sound like when solo'd. I guess I would say that there is more "glue" built into the 28 by virtue of the added distortion. In comparing these pres to the ISA, the mid-forwardness of the VPs was evident. When comparing the VPs to the ISA on solo instruments, I think some would tend to like the ISA because of the clarity in the mids, but I have been down the path of tracking songs with only ISAs and only VPs and once it's all done, the ISAs don't have the aggressiveness I want in song. The songs don't demand your attention. Songs tracked with VPs do to a greater extent. While I was impressed with the sound of the ISAs in comparison to the VPs, I simply know better than to rely fully on them for tracking in order to get the sound I want. Mids are where most of the music resides and reduced mids with greater clarity just don't beat enhanced mids with "pleasant" distortion - for me anyway. Finally, the GAP573 is just another animal. Very thin compared to the others. I was testing with a guitar and I would never start off with the 573 for guitar. There is just no bottom end. The deal with this pre, for me, is that if you are tracking something that needs good bottom and top, this is not it, but it can do either/or well. Snare bottom sizzle - great. Bass or Kick - great. Guitar and Vocals - no go. While I may end up rolling off everything that the 573 naturally rolls off, I'd rather track it with the low end and find the sweet spot myself. So there it is. These are conclusions drawn from a guy testing out his gear in a somewhat unscientific method, but they are nevertheless my experience. I hope they help a fellow rock music engineer in some way. They are probably not terribly relevant to someone focused on a different genre. Cheers.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 23, 2013 11:40:11 GMT -6
Sure man, bring it on...I just paid to upgrade the upload limit...It's only 3mb per upload but maybe mp3's will be enough...OR duh - didn't think of this - you could link to soundcloud.
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Post by captlourawls on Jul 23, 2013 12:24:34 GMT -6
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The Classic API VP28 has become a go-to pre amp at my studio. I started with a pair of VP 26 about year and a half ago and added a pair of 28s a few months back.
In line mode, the 28 kills! 4 clicks up on the input gain and 3 down on the fader will give you a sweet, musical "push". 2 clicks down on the input gain and and 3 clicks up on the fader gives you a lifted, airy vibe. Want a Iggy Pop/ Strokes type vocal sound? Try a VP28 in line mode last in your chain. Drive the input real hard and bring the fader down. The variety of tone available in a VP28 second to none. The HP filter w 6 and 12 db ..... also badass.
I want more.
I've attached a Harry Nilsson cover that was recorded with a heavy amount of VP26 (this was pre 28 at my studio). There was usually either a Manley Massive Passive or Chandler LTD 1 for EQ and a Hairball 1176 or a Langevin optical compressor. I believe that the VP26 was used for vocals (Soundeluxe U99), horns (Coles 4038), guitar (Royer r121), snare drum (sm57) and mono kit (ev 635a),
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Post by wreck on Jul 23, 2013 16:19:51 GMT -6
www.dropbox.com/s/iyenk9h2x3ihwon/PreSamples.mp3 - Here is the link to the samples I mentioned if anyone is interested. There are 4 different pres. The sample is not the same through all 4 pres it's just me playing the same thing through all 4. I know it's not scientific, but I am not concerned about that. It is what it is. Pre order is ISA, VP28, VP26, GAP573.
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Post by wreck on Jul 23, 2013 16:22:42 GMT -6
Also, edits are around 11, 21 and 33. This is the highest quality pro tools bounce to mp3.
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Post by littlesicily on Jul 23, 2013 16:40:02 GMT -6
I have a pair. They are great. Hey Dan, nice to see you here.
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