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Post by jsteiger on Oct 23, 2013 11:19:17 GMT -6
Also try cranking the fader to +12dB and backing down the preamp gain. Due to the old API fader nomenclature, people would think that having the fader all the way up where it was labeled 0 was unity but that was actually +12. There is a small dot on an old API 440 fader between -10 and -15 that actually marked unity. Most never knew this. The cranked fader is part of the old API console sound.  |
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Post by lolo on Oct 23, 2013 18:23:04 GMT -6
Also try cranking the fader to +12dB and backing down the preamp gain. Due to the old API fader nomenclature, people would think that having the fader all the way up where it was labeled 0 was unity but that was actually +12. There is a small dot on an old API 440 fader between -10 and -15 that actually marked unity. Most never knew this. The cranked fader is part of the old API console sound. Thanks Jeff. Loving this pre, also having awesome results running some vsti's through them. from a technical side of things. Whats the difference in cranking the fader and backing the preamp gain, versus doing visa versa by pushing the gain and backing down the fader? on this song i pushed the fader 3 clicks up, and gain 2 down.  Think I need another 2 |
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Post by jsteiger on Oct 24, 2013 12:18:31 GMT -6
The 12dB of gain is "built into" the fader booster circuit. The fader is just attenuating it back to unity. I think using the full gain of the booster really makes things sound mean and a little more in your face (aggressive) than usual. Its kind like the "bad-ass" control. No combo of settings will hurt anything so feel free to experiment. Well, I would not run line level signals while in mic mode but besides that it's all free game!
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Post by lolo on Oct 24, 2013 22:39:48 GMT -6
Thanks Jeff.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 24, 2013 22:49:01 GMT -6
great insight Jeff!! thanx
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Post by jsteiger on Oct 25, 2013 10:25:04 GMT -6
On the opposite side of the spectrum, there is video of Glyn Johns talking about how he likes to back the fader down 10dB or so and increase the preamp gain for added harmonic content. That is how Scott and I setup the VP28's for Ben Sesar when we did the video with him. Glyn is not talking about my pre's specifically but consoles in general I think. I know he is familiar with vintage API's boards. I guess the moral of the story is, there are a bunch of sonic possibilities with a true 2 stage preamp. Still kinda odd to think how few are on the market these days......
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 25, 2013 10:39:05 GMT -6
That's kind of how I would have thought about approaching it. Less hifi more guts.
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Post by littlesicily on Oct 25, 2013 12:37:19 GMT -6
On the opposite side of the spectrum, there is video of Glyn Johns talking about how he likes to back the fader down 10dB or so and increase the preamp gain for added harmonic content. That is how Scott and I setup the VP28's for Ben Sesar when we did the video with him. Glyn is not talking about my pre's specifically but consoles in general I think. I know he is familiar with vintage API's boards. I guess the moral of the story is, there are a bunch of sonic possibilities with a true 2 stage preamp. Still kinda odd to think how few are on the market these days...... Yes, I love doing that with drums, guitars, etc... |
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 25, 2013 14:00:37 GMT -6
^ this is what i do about 90% of the time with my Vp's, it's like i can't stop myself, there is something euphonically awesome about the setting
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Post by jcoutu1 on Nov 29, 2013 6:42:57 GMT -6
I wonder if Jeff is doing a Real Gear Online 50% off Black Friday sale!?!?
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 29, 2013 12:00:26 GMT -6
Ha! No kidding!
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Post by dandeurloo on Nov 30, 2013 15:51:05 GMT -6
Small Biz Saturday? |
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 30, 2013 17:18:20 GMT -6
Yep - 25% markup |
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Post by littlesicily on Dec 3, 2013 15:18:58 GMT -6
Also try cranking the fader to +12dB and backing down the preamp gain. Due to the old API fader nomenclature, people would think that having the fader all the way up where it was labeled 0 was unity but that was actually +12. There is a small dot on an old API 440 fader between -10 and -15 that actually marked unity. Most never knew this. The cranked fader is part of the old API console sound. Jeff, I did this today on some acoustic guitars and, wow... it's THAT sound! Thanks for the tip. |
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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 3, 2013 17:49:20 GMT -6
I tried it an pre was pretty noisy might I be missing somthin?
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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 3, 2013 18:02:14 GMT -6
I tried it an pre was pretty noisy might I be missing somthin?
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 3, 2013 18:08:28 GMT -6
I'll have to try it on AG's...
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 3, 2013 18:25:12 GMT -6
I tried it an pre was pretty noisy might I be missing somthin? more info please, what mic? what source? thanx |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 3, 2013 18:28:20 GMT -6
Was he talking about jacking the output up to +12?
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Post by littlesicily on Dec 3, 2013 19:10:10 GMT -6
Hmmm... I didn't have any noise
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 3, 2013 19:10:19 GMT -6
Was he talking about jacking the output up to +12? yup, top of page 6 |
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Post by littlesicily on Dec 3, 2013 19:10:38 GMT -6
Was he talking about jacking the output up to +12? yes |
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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 3, 2013 20:29:46 GMT -6
Signal chain was modified cv4 (micrehab) 12th fret custom Randolf acoustic in to capi vp28 with red dots into digi 192 the vp28 built by custom analog service
The pre usually not nosiey
By the way thanks for any info in advance you guys keep savin my butt love this place
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 3, 2013 21:06:16 GMT -6
Signal chain was modified cv4 (micrehab) 12th fret custom Randolf acoustic in to capi vp28 with red dots into digi 192 the vp28 built by custom analog service The pre usually not nosiey By the way thanks for any info in advance you guys keep savin my butt love this place hmmm??? First thing i'd do is check your cables/ connections(wired in phase)? it seems like a real nice quality chain, have you had any other noise issues with other pre's? my vp's usually act as u'd expect, if you're heavy on the input, the output fader must be backed off, or vice versa, otherwise it is noisy, overloading and un useably clipping the A/D's. Either settings direction, when the staging is set properly, i get lots of signal with a great s/n ratio... so check your gain staging including the same set up with another pre, if it's A ok, then i'd guess somethings amiss with the vp... my bet is cabling/connection problem though.. let us know |
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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 7, 2013 0:33:46 GMT -6
Just a quick update tried the same signal chain again acoustic> cv4> vp 28> 192 quiet as a( mouse?) Don't know what happend first time . More likely my error somewhere thanks again
By the way just found a nos samson vr88 ribbon mic an with the vp 28 it amazing on acoustic gtr
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