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Post by gouge on Mar 4, 2015 5:05:12 GMT -6
this is not aimed at anyone but I read these threads and the same question keeps entering my mind.
"why upgrade"
in all seriousness, what's going on here. this just seems like a cash cow. I reckon if you add up all of the coin spent on software and peripheries you'd be spending more than just going and buying hardware.
it has to be a mindset based around the computer industry, the idea to upgrade upgrade upgrade. what flaws me most is the idea that an upgrade comes with better features and fixes.
I've got hardware I've been using for 6 or more years that cost $150 bucks that has never needed an upgrade or bug fix.
16 channels of lynx conversion in 5 years has not skipped a beat. never loaded a patch, an update, or anything.
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Post by lolo on Mar 4, 2015 6:10:32 GMT -6
If I read all of this is im glad i dignt go the Apollo/UAD route. Esp on a windows system. RME is stellar. I'll Rather buy more hardware and quite happy with Most native offerings
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Post by gouge on Mar 4, 2015 6:14:54 GMT -6
I'm on windows too. I also am wondering if it's an apple thing as well.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 4, 2015 7:08:11 GMT -6
If you are in the ua apollo game the benefits are quite tangible if you are not I understand the meh !
- having improved workflow and many new features ( channel strips etc)in your gui that controls your session
- being able to create an aggregate device of up to 4 Apollos and 2 additional uad cards all run off a common clock
- having all the apollo's dsp available for tracking
- using a twin as a master controller ect.
The V8 release adds significant and new varied features to a 3 year old interface and this is all based on UA listening to its clients based on response to its annual customer survey
oh ya and the OS update is free and although the new plugs are expensive list, UA also offered most apollo and octo owners discount coupons of over 60%
Console 2 will also be running on FW and on windows machines by the fall.
I now there are lots of good company's and product out there and we all piock what suits our purposes. Personally, I think UA is one of that group.
I too think RME is a great product and that apollo is just one of many good interfaces out there, that some of us here use and want to stay familiar with its changes.
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Post by lolo on Mar 4, 2015 7:25:41 GMT -6
No intention to bash UAD here. Sure the Apollo is good interface. Just referring to the investment. Price of their plugs etc..
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 4, 2015 7:37:23 GMT -6
Because it's badass.
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Post by Jason on Mar 4, 2015 8:12:41 GMT -6
Thanks, KCat, I think I've probably mentioned this frustration to you before at the purple place...anyhow, it's confirmed by Gannon @ UAD: Quote Originally Posted by UniversalAudio View Post Hi Jason, It's not an arbitrary limit - in order to keep the latency low and channels phase coherent, all of the processing on individual channels has to be on a single DSP. So while your overall DSP load may be low, the DSP that's hosting the effects on a single input channel may be maxed out. Sorry about that. -GK Gannon Kashiwa Here's my frustration: I have an Apollo quad and Satellite quad over tbolt...yet, the mem/pgm/dsp limit per console channel only allows me to run one instance of the Unison 1073 with very few other plugs in the signal chain (i.e., the fatso), regardless of sample rate...I'm only using about 15% of total DSP with the Unison 1073 at 96 kHz, so what gives with the seemingly arbitrary dsp limit per console channel? Why do I have all of this horsepower when their proprietary software ultimately restricts how/where/when I can put it to use? Grrr... P.S. This idiosyncrancy remains unchanged in C2 from C1. channel plugs go to a single chip to ensure lowest latency experiment with what you put on channel and what you put on Aux. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 4, 2015 8:34:43 GMT -6
hey Champagne, ya i get it, I think we will all need to just test out our channel strip plug preferences and what we can put on aux and then we can save those as presets either by channel strip and our the name of console session
also I think we could send the output of one console channel to another's input and then add more dsp that way, ( so on two uad chips)
channel to channel I don't think the latency increase but on VI I think there is a small increase in latency.
The new C2 features are interesting, but now we have to figure out how to best use them and what the system limitations and set up work arounds are!
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Post by levon on Mar 4, 2015 8:35:49 GMT -6
this is not aimed at anyone but I read these threads and the same question keeps entering my mind.
"why upgrade"
in all seriousness, what's going on here. this just seems like a cash cow. I reckon if you add up all of the coin spent on software and peripheries you'd be spending more than just going and buying hardware.
it has to be a mindset based around the computer industry, the idea to upgrade upgrade upgrade. what flaws me most is the idea that an upgrade comes with better features and fixes.
I've got hardware I've been using for 6 or more years that cost $150 bucks that has never needed an upgrade or bug fix.
16 channels of lynx conversion in 5 years has not skipped a beat. never loaded a patch, an update, or anything.
I'm with you. I still run OS 10.6.8 and see no reason to upgrade, it runs rock solid and I can do everything I need to do. It also means that the newer versions of UAD will not run on my system, so the latest round of plugins are not for me. Saves me a lot of money though. I'm just glad that Ocean Way still runs on my system, that's a very useful tool. Everything after that didn't look attractive enough to me to be tempted. |
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Post by levon on Mar 4, 2015 8:36:41 GMT -6
No intention to bash UAD here. Sure the Apollo is good interface. Just referring to the investment. Price of their plugs etc.. I hardly ever paid full price for a UAD plugin, they constantly have promotions. |
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Mar 4, 2015 9:08:22 GMT -6
this is not aimed at anyone but I read these threads and the same question keeps entering my mind.
"why upgrade"
in all seriousness, what's going on here. this just seems like a cash cow. I reckon if you add up all of the coin spent on software and peripheries you'd be spending more than just going and buying hardware.
it has to be a mindset based around the computer industry, the idea to upgrade upgrade upgrade. what flaws me most is the idea that an upgrade comes with better features and fixes.
I've got hardware I've been using for 6 or more years that cost $150 bucks that has never needed an upgrade or bug fix.
16 channels of lynx conversion in 5 years has not skipped a beat. never loaded a patch, an update, or anything.
I'm with you. I still run OS 10.6.8 and see no reason to upgrade, it runs rock solid and I can do everything I need to do. It also means that the newer versions of UAD will not run on my system, so the latest round of plugins are not for me. Saves me a lot of money though. I'm just glad that Ocean Way still runs on my system, that's a very useful tool. Everything after that didn't look attractive enough to me to be tempted. I agree. After OW, nothing new here. The La2a and 1176's are must haves. Anything else, I'd just assume use waves stuff (or others, doesn't matter). UA is playing to the toy box crowd now. I don't blame them, I would too if it were my company because that's where the money is. Kids thinking the new Friedman amp sims will make them sound like Eddie. Dangle the carrot just within reach of the masses price wise. It's brilliant really, capitalism at it's best. Proud to be an amuricun. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 4, 2015 9:46:11 GMT -6
No intention to bash UAD here. Sure the Apollo is good interface. Just referring to the investment. Price of their plugs etc.. No probs LoLo we certainly all have a right to our opinion. I have lots of ua plugs that I don't use and am very selective about what I buy now and only on sale ! |
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Post by allbuttonmode on Mar 4, 2015 10:10:31 GMT -6
Well, this must be the most underwhelming UAD update since I bought my first UAD-1 almost 10 years ago...
I can see how this is exciting for Apollo users, though.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 4, 2015 10:23:59 GMT -6
If you do acoustic guitar recording, have you tried the new Wood acoustic plug. I have a nice anthem pickup an my acoustic and I was honestly surprised at the sound quality of the plug.
I understand> UA had to do something to have an apogee ensemble response and to solidify apollo as a tbolt device and to refresh the platform.
Granted, ff you just use UA plugs, most of this release does not add value for you.
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Post by donr on Mar 4, 2015 10:57:01 GMT -6
I read on the UAD site that a known issue with 8.0 is unsupported hot plugging of Apollos and Satellites and unsupported system sleep. You have to shut down the Apollos and computer if you disconnect. That's a non-starter for me since I need my laptop away from the interfaces regularly during the course of a day, and hot plugging the Thunderbolt was a real convenience. They're going to fix that, but not today. I think I'll hold off on Console 2.0 and 8.0 until they get that worked out.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 4, 2015 11:13:42 GMT -6
I read on the UAD site that a known issue with 8.0 is unsupported hot plugging of Apollos and Satellites and unsupported system sleep. You have to shut down the Apollos and computer if you disconnect. That's a non-starter for me since I need my laptop away from the interfaces regularly during the course of a day, and hot plugging the Thunderbolt was a real convenience. They're going to fix that, but not today. I think I'll hold off on Console 2.0 and 8.0 until they get that worked out. You have the patience of Job! |
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Post by donr on Mar 4, 2015 11:42:19 GMT -6
I read on the UAD site that a known issue with 8.0 is unsupported hot plugging of Apollos and Satellites and unsupported system sleep. You have to shut down the Apollos and computer if you disconnect. That's a non-starter for me since I need my laptop away from the interfaces regularly during the course of a day, and hot plugging the Thunderbolt was a real convenience. They're going to fix that, but not today. I think I'll hold off on Console 2.0 and 8.0 until they get that worked out. You have the patience of Job! One thing I hope Console 2 does is integrate aux sends and returns in a manor that would permit you to use more plugins on the way in to the DAW than one sharc would allow. You'd use the one sharc on the input channel, then aux send that signal to another return channel with more processing inline. Then send that to the DAW for recording, while monitoring with relatively low latency. I hope that's the way it works. Anyone know? With Console 1 you could aux send an input channel, but you couldn't return it to a console fader Pre-DAW as far as I could figure. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 4, 2015 16:27:37 GMT -6
In Console 2, the one sharc is per channel not including the aux if I understand Gannon from UA correctly ?
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Post by gouge on Mar 4, 2015 17:21:22 GMT -6
If you are in the ua apollo game the benefits are quite tangible if you are not I understand the meh ! - having improved workflow and many new features ( channel strips etc)in your gui that controls your session - being able to create an aggregate device of up to 4 Apollos and 2 additional uad cards all run off a common clock - having all the apollo's dsp available for tracking - using a twin as a master controller ect. The V8 release adds significant and new varied features to a 3 year old interface and this is all based on UA listening to its clients based on response to its annual customer survey oh ya and the OS update is free and although the new plugs are expensive list, UA also offered most apollo and octo owners discount coupons of over 60% Console 2 will also be running on FW and on windows machines by the fall. I now there are lots of good company's and product out there and we all piock what suits our purposes. Personally, I think UA is one of that group. I too think RME is a great product and that apollo is just one of many good interfaces out there, that some of us here use and want to stay familiar with its changes. honestly I don't get it. I must be missing something.
I've been able to do all of that with a reaper/lynx setup for more than 5 years now and it's been aes/pcie since day 1
is it that ua is old tech that is only now being updated and that's what people are happy about?
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 4, 2015 17:24:31 GMT -6
yes that's it tbolt2 is old tech.
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Post by gouge on Mar 4, 2015 17:56:52 GMT -6
well yes it is. thunderbolt 2 came out in 2013.
that aside.
you do realise that thunderbolt is effectively external pcie.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 4, 2015 18:10:37 GMT -6
If you are in the ua apollo game the benefits are quite tangible if you are not I understand the meh ! - having improved workflow and many new features ( channel strips etc)in your gui that controls your session - being able to create an aggregate device of up to 4 Apollos and 2 additional uad cards all run off a common clock - having all the apollo's dsp available for tracking - using a twin as a master controller ect. The V8 release adds significant and new varied features to a 3 year old interface and this is all based on UA listening to its clients based on response to its annual customer survey oh ya and the OS update is free and although the new plugs are expensive list, UA also offered most apollo and octo owners discount coupons of over 60% Console 2 will also be running on FW and on windows machines by the fall. I now there are lots of good company's and product out there and we all piock what suits our purposes. Personally, I think UA is one of that group. I too think RME is a great product and that apollo is just one of many good interfaces out there, that some of us here use and want to stay familiar with its changes. honestly I don't get it. I must be missing something.
I've been able to do all of that with a reaper/lynx setup for more than 5 years now and it's been aes/pcie since day 1
is it that ua is old tech that is only now being updated and that's what people are happy about?
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 5, 2015 7:09:19 GMT -6
ok I give up, if I start a thread about other interfaces, can we post comments there about UA's innovations that apply to apollo's ?
If you own an apollo and or are considering one, this thread was about understanding its current changes to its operating system. The changes that respond to many customer requests that have been made over the last 2 years
The thread was not about debating the merits of other interfaces.
Please start your own thread for that.
I'm done.
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Post by RicFoxx on Mar 5, 2015 7:31:44 GMT -6
ok I give up, if I start a thread about other interfaces, can we post comments there about UA's innovations that apply to apollo's ? If you own an apollo and or are considering one, this thread was about understanding its current changes to its operating system. The changes that respond to many customer requests that have been made over the last 2 years The thread was not about debating the merits of other interfaces. Please start your own thread for that. I'm done. Exactly, that is why the Apollo thread has gone to crap on the other site. kcatthedog On another note, Can I use the Apollo twin with a firewire satellite? What is the latency (non console latency) on the twin? I really hate when I leave my computer for a bit and come back to having to reboot for my interface to work...the apogee stuff doesn't do that. |
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Post by gouge on Mar 5, 2015 7:38:20 GMT -6
shh,
you can't talk about apogee. this thread is for Apollo only.
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