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Post by indiehouse on Jan 12, 2016 8:47:21 GMT -6
I thought you said no crackling with the new monitor or was that just with the apollo and you still have a problem if the motu is the interface ? If no noise in the one system configuration/signal flow to me that confirms that the octo and cables are not suspect ? Here is a list of configurations that I've tried so far: 16a -> apple thunderbolt display -> UAD Octo satellite -> mac mini all on the thunderbolt bus = artifacts (clicks, pops, crackle) at high sample rates Apollo -> apple thunderbolt display -> UAD Octo satellite -> mac mini all on the thunderbolt bus = works perfectly 16a -> apple thunderbolt display -> mac mini all on the thunderbolt bus = works perfectly 16a -> UAD Octo satellite -> mac mini all on the thunderbolt bus = works perfectly I'm inclined to assume it's the Motu that's the source of the issue, but I am no hardware or software engineer. Ticket has been in with Motu tech, though they don't have any answers. I suppose if getting a different monitor in solves the problem, then I guess that's a viable solution. I am not attached to my Apple display, though it is nice. I'd rather have the clarity of the conversion than the clarity of a DAW screen...
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 12, 2016 9:30:04 GMT -6
Does the MOTU sound better than your Apollo?
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 12, 2016 10:24:40 GMT -6
Does the MOTU sound better than your Apollo? Better than the silverface, for sure.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 12, 2016 11:53:20 GMT -6
I would hope the new Motu would sound better than the prev gen (silver face) Apollo, as the new Motu has the previous gen of Symphony converters: right ?
Do you know anyone with one of the OWC Tbolt docs ? Might be interesting to experiment with it as it would be nice if you could get everything working with the motu and the cinema display.
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 12, 2016 12:13:20 GMT -6
I would hope the new Motu would sound better than the prev gen (silver face) Apollo, as the new Motu has the previous gen of Symphony converters: right ? Do you know anyone with one of the OWC Tbolt docs ? Might be interesting to experiment with it as it would be nice if you could get everything working with the motu and the cinema display. Thanks, but how would that help?
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 12, 2016 12:35:09 GMT -6
Well maybe if you could split the tbolt signal sooner up the chain and put the monitor last, you would have different performance ?
No offense, but I thought the rule of thumb was to put monitors last. I know the CD is a Comms hub but something seems odd about your signal flow and problems ? Its all very good gear and should play nice !
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 12, 2016 14:00:43 GMT -6
Well maybe if you could split the tbolt signal sooner up the chain and put the monitor last, you would have different performance ? No offense, but I thought the rule of thumb was to put monitors last. I know the CD is a Comms hub but something seems odd about your signal flow and problems ? Its all very good gear and should play nice ! Right, but the OWC Tbolt doc wouldn't add any extra tb ports to the chain. Also, I can't put my monitor last because the Motu only has 1 tb port, which means it HAS to be last. Does that all make sense?
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Post by mulmany on Jan 12, 2016 14:20:31 GMT -6
I have protools cpu crashes when I record if I use a usb3/DVI video dongle. Odd issue, sounds like this. Protools is perfectly stable as long as I don't just use the usb video adaptor.
Have you ran you tbolt display and your hdmi display at the same time?
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 12, 2016 14:56:40 GMT -6
I have protools cpu crashes when I record if I use a usb3/DVI video dongle. Odd issue, sounds like this. Protools is perfectly stable as long as I don't just use the usb video adaptor. Have you ran you tbolt display and your hdmi display at the same time? I only have the one tb display. The HDMI I used for testing was actually my television.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 12, 2016 15:23:09 GMT -6
Well maybe if you could split the tbolt signal sooner up the chain and put the monitor last, you would have different performance ? No offense, but I thought the rule of thumb was to put monitors last. I know the CD is a Comms hub but something seems odd about your signal flow and problems ? Its all very good gear and should play nice ! Right, but the OWC Tbolt doc wouldn't add any extra tb ports to the chain. Also, I can't put my monitor last because the Motu only has 1 tb port, which means it HAS to be last. Does that all make sense? Yes ,sorry for the goose chase I thought it had multiple TB ports. At ua forum I recall someone mentioning a 1 in 2 out tb link of some kind. I am just curious how you are going to resolve this. I am just used to apollo with 2 tb ports; that is my normal.
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 12, 2016 15:49:14 GMT -6
Well, for now, it's all solid via USB. I'm going to continue to troubleshoot and look for solutions, but I do have a stable system that sounds fantastic. The BLA modded Motu 16a is a great piece. I'm mixing 2 records right now, and haven't ran out of DSP with my Octo satellite. I thought that might be an issue since I was used to having the extra quad in the Apollo. I haven't tracked much with the Motu yet, so we'll see. I do have some sessions coming up this week.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 15, 2016 18:10:49 GMT -6
Hey, Recently I said that your apple CD monitor had 2 tbolt ports and you said no only one but they were talking about CD's at the ua forum and here is what someone said : uadforum.com/apollo-interfaces/21339-mac-displays-uad.html#post187579"The TBolt Display has a pass through thunderbolt connector on the back and one on a hardwired cord to attach to your computer. It also has 3 USB3, a firewire and an ethernet connection on the back. " So, this is what I thought that you have 1 tbolt input to drive the monitor and another port to act as a tbolt pass through that you can hook other tbolt peripherals too. So, is that what you are doing and I am just misunderstanding your daisy chain ?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 15, 2016 18:23:45 GMT -6
Hey, Recently I said that your apple CD monitor had 2 tbolt ports and you said no only one but they were talking about CD's at the ua forum and here is what someone said : uadforum.com/apollo-interfaces/21339-mac-displays-uad.html#post187579"The TBolt Display has a pass through thunderbolt connector on the back and one on a hardwired cord to attach to your computer. It also has 3 USB3, a firewire and an ethernet connection on the back. " So, this is what I thought that you have 1 tbolt input to drive the monitor and another port to act as a tbolt pass through that you can hook other tbolt peripherals too. So, is that what you are doing and I am just misunderstanding your daisy chain ? The TB chord connects to the computer and the port on the back of the monitor gets the peripherals plugged in. The issue is that the MOTU only has a single port, so it must be last in the chain. ...sorry to jump in.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 15, 2016 19:06:46 GMT -6
ah now I get it, the motu is like an apollo twin just the one tbolt port: duh !!
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Post by tasteliketape on Jan 19, 2016 18:50:58 GMT -6
I've been running my motu 16a in audio interface mode just doing editing and well for some reason I went into interface and mixer mode today still just mixing and I swear it sounds cleaner (wasn't bad before) but now sounds cleaner with maybe a little more depth and width slightly Anbody else notice this? Or just a figment of my imagination ? I know the latency thing but I'm just editing not tracking
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Post by tasteliketape on Feb 5, 2016 1:01:47 GMT -6
Now my motu16a is not changing presets when I change in the software to mixer and interface the hardware stays at audio interface I've reinstalled all drivers firmware twice now going on third time also when I bring up pro tools I get different I/o not available changes on the same session ex analog 7-8. Not able to map next time I bring up session 15-16 not available but now 7-8 is there wtf sent screen shot to motu called 3 times no call back no email Thunderbolt or sub doesn't matter anyone have an ideal? Also did complete o s install
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 19, 2016 20:21:43 GMT -6
Wow...just saw this thing is only $1495. I need to read this thread lol
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Post by ericn on Feb 19, 2016 20:44:33 GMT -6
Wow...just saw this thing is only $1495. I need to read this thread lol Before the GAS sets in remember all your UAD plugins !
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Post by stratboy on Feb 20, 2016 8:43:37 GMT -6
Wow...just saw this thing is only $1495. I need to read this thread lol Before the GAS sets in remember all your UAD plugins ! I got my 16a for $1195. Using two FW Duos. JK could buy a used Satellite Quad and be good to go.
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Post by indiehouse on Feb 20, 2016 13:59:37 GMT -6
I just came from a Silverface Apollo and now I'm on the Motu 16a. No doubt, it's a killer bang for the buck, and I'll go out on a limb here and say that it sounds clearer than the Apollo. I don't have anything to back that up except memory. I'm mixing some stuff I tracked on the Apollo and another project I'm tracking on the Motu. The Motu tracks just feel clearer to me. Granted, I do have my Motu highly modded by Black Lion. It just sounds really, really good. I'm using a Octo Satellite for my UAD plugs, and I've not run out of juice.
The biggest change has been the workflow. Apollo's Console 2 wins hands down. I miss it, actually. I haven't quite figured my way around the "Motu Brain", as it's called. Been buried in mix/tracking sessions, and this is gonna take some time to wrap my head around. I will say, the Motu is WAY more flexible in terms of routing. It's just not as slick as the Apollo.
UAD's marketing gives me a gear boner. Yeah, I said it. I know it's bad. But man, their setup is pretty slick.
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Post by forgotteng on Feb 20, 2016 14:05:03 GMT -6
The routing on the Motu AVB rig is tough sledding at times. That is the worst part for me. Sometimes too many options are not helpful. Once you get it the flexibility is outstanding.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 20, 2016 16:42:01 GMT -6
I just came from a Silverface Apollo and now I'm on the Motu 16a. No doubt, it's a killer bang for the buck, and I'll go out on a limb here and say that it sounds clearer than the Apollo. I don't have anything to back that up except memory. I'm mixing some stuff I tracked on the Apollo and another project I'm tracking on the Motu. The Motu tracks just feel clearer to me. Granted, I do have my Motu highly modded by Black Lion. It just sounds really, really good. I'm using a Octo Satellite for my UAD plugs, and I've not run out of juice. The biggest change has been the workflow. Apollo's Console 2 wins hands down. I miss it, actually. I haven't quite figured my way around the "Motu Brain", as it's called. Been buried in mix/tracking sessions, and this is gonna take some time to wrap my head around. I will say, the Motu is WAY more flexible in terms of routing. It's just not as slick as the Apollo. UAD's marketing gives me a gear boner. Yeah, I said it. I know it's bad. But man, their setup is pretty slick. I hear there's some special stuff coming for Console 3...
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 20, 2016 17:09:08 GMT -6
SNAP , you nasty boy ! Not to mention the BF sounds so much better than the SF Seriously the moto 16 sounds like a great box but it certainly doesn't have the apollo Console front end.
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 20, 2016 17:13:54 GMT -6
Haven't heard specifics, but I've heard that things are in the works...I haven't decided whether I'm gonna upgrade or not. I should probably do it while I can still get some money for the SF.
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Post by kcatthedog on Feb 20, 2016 19:39:06 GMT -6
Oh sorry I thought you were joking. I thought after twin usb the console 2 for fw was next ? There are peeps at ua forum looking for sf's and they'll need tb1 card as you know.
But ya Console 3 with midi control, better routing is overdue !
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