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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 17, 2014 16:45:06 GMT -6
Wish I had gotten more...My phone was filled to capacity and I ran out of room.
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Post by wiz on Dec 17, 2014 16:53:00 GMT -6
Awesome stuff... So much for storing ribbons vertically eh? 8) That echo chamber is startling... just startling.... How big was it Johnkenn and what was on the walls...? Man I could stand in that thing and sing all day... what a place. Thanks John cheers Wiz |
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Post by ericn on Dec 17, 2014 17:18:10 GMT -6
Seeing the mic locker video I kept thinking back to the late 80s early 90s and Sound Summit. At the time the mic locker was considered one of the best, it was about one of those cabinets.
Blackbird simply incredible!
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 17, 2014 17:48:27 GMT -6
Half of the mic locker was set up in the studios too. He had a 269 and 251 in the vocal booth. Had a FET47 on acoustic. Thought that was interesting.
I would say the echo chamber was probably 8x8 and 20+ feet tall. Looked like concrete walls.
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Post by wiz on Dec 17, 2014 17:49:07 GMT -6
Half of the mic locker was set up in the studios too. He had a 269 and 251 in the vocal booth. Had a FET47 on acoustic. Thought that was interesting. I would say the echo chamber was probably 8x8 and 20+ feet tall. Looked like concrete walls. it sounds incredible. I want one 8) cheers Wiz |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 17, 2014 17:49:17 GMT -6
Oh. And a Fairchild 670 on acoustics.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 17, 2014 17:56:08 GMT -6
Yeah - it did. Just went on forever. The chamber is between the tracking room and control room. They kept the door between the tracking room and chamber open during the session. I assumed to use kind of as another room sound on drums. Or maybe they just forgot to close it lol. I was so busy with other stuff I didn't really get into asking for different options. Although I did ask for the Faichild Ito be on something - ended up on AG. I asked for it on scratch vocals.  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 17, 2014 17:56:49 GMT -6
I have a huge crawl space under my house...hmmm.
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Post by wiz on Dec 17, 2014 18:11:08 GMT -6
Honestly... a good mic preamp (VP28,1073) a good mic (U87i, 47, C12,KM84) and that reverb sound.... and something to track it on.. thats all i would need...
I would cut acoustic guitars and vocals for the rest of my days... and maybe some hand percussion and be done.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by svart on Dec 17, 2014 20:18:43 GMT -6
tell us what mics were on those drums! Oh and I see 3 overheads.. tell us about the setup..
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Post by popmann on Dec 17, 2014 21:21:28 GMT -6
Awesome stuff... So much for storing ribbons vertically eh? 8) That echo chamber is startling... just startling.... How big was it Johnkenn and what was on the walls...? That is actually church plaster. Don't ask me what the difference in plaster one would buy at Home Depot and "church plaster" is....99$ a lb? Ha. But, yeah....the remote moving ceiling room? It's both amazing slightly spinal tap'ian, no? |
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 17, 2014 21:30:53 GMT -6
Yeah - it did. Just went on forever. The chamber is between the tracking room and control room. They kept the door between the tracking room and chamber open during the session. I assumed to use kind of as another room sound on drums. Or maybe they just forgot to close it lol. I was so busy with other stuff I didn't really get into asking for different options. Although I did ask for the Faichild Ito be on something - ended up on AG. I asked for it on scratch vocals. some mix engineers going to blending some chamber verb into his mix when he suddenly hears..."ohhhh, ohhhhh, ohhhhh!" courtesy adminn lol |
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Post by wiz on Dec 17, 2014 22:20:34 GMT -6
Awesome stuff... So much for storing ribbons vertically eh? 8) That echo chamber is startling... just startling.... How big was it Johnkenn and what was on the walls...? That is actually church plaster. Don't ask me what the difference in plaster one would buy at Home Depot and "church plaster" is....99$ a lb? Ha. But, yeah....the remote moving ceiling room? It's both amazing slightly spinal tap'ian, no? so the ceiling moves? to control decay time...? OH MAN!!!! cheers Wiz |
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Post by ericn on Dec 17, 2014 22:25:06 GMT -6
That is actually church plaster. Don't ask me what the difference in plaster one would buy at Home Depot and "church plaster" is....99$ a lb? Ha. But, yeah....the remote moving ceiling room? It's both amazing slightly spinal tap'ian, no? so the ceiling moves? to control decay time...? OH MAN!!!! cheers Wiz After my neighbors Xmas party I think my ceiling might be moving and it's nothing to do with acoustics ! |
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Post by tonycamphd on Dec 17, 2014 22:43:33 GMT -6
Awesome stuff... So much for storing ribbons vertically eh? 8) That echo chamber is startling... just startling.... How big was it Johnkenn and what was on the walls...? That is actually church plaster. Don't ask me what the difference in plaster one would buy at Home Depot and "church plaster" is....99$ a lb? Ha. But, yeah....the remote moving ceiling room? It's both amazing slightly spinal tap'ian, no? i'm gonna have to see this to believe it, got a link? |
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Post by Randge on Dec 17, 2014 22:49:02 GMT -6
They have pencil lines on the wall marking where to stop the ceiling (of the echo chamber) as it comes up and down to put the ringing in the key of the song. I have been in there and helped them do that once. That worked great!
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Post by popmann on Dec 17, 2014 22:53:43 GMT -6
Until you can link into my head....no. And, when that becomes possible, you might think twice about what you might accidentally click on in there....some shit can't be unseen. Ha.
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Post by levon on Dec 18, 2014 0:46:51 GMT -6
Amazing, thanks for sharing John. That echo chamber is beautiful, even on cheap headphones, the tail is amazing. The mic locker is almost as big as mine, wait, what? Don't wake me up now...  |
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Post by wiz on Dec 18, 2014 0:56:25 GMT -6
so, whats it like playing acoustic through a real 670...?
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Randge on Dec 18, 2014 8:09:43 GMT -6
I figured it was some kind of thin permacrete. I never asked. If I was to build one, that is what I would use, as it is quite a bit stronger than normal concrete.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 18, 2014 9:34:30 GMT -6
How do the rooms sound John? That's the most important thing, I think. This is really nice, but not much different from a dozen studios I've seen.
The echo chamber video only lasted a few seconds, i was looking forward to seeing more of it. When I did my first album The Demons for Mercury Records, we recorded at Plaza Sound. Plaza Sound was on the top floor of Radio City Music Hall in Rockefeller Center. It was the original NBC Studios room they purpose built for Toscanini to conduct the NBC orchestra and do their radio and TV shows from. One of the reverb sends was, get this, Radio City Msic Hall. I guess that qualifies as a "Large Room" eh ;-)
I hope we can hear the tracks you're doing when it's finished John, good luck!
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Post by donr on Dec 18, 2014 9:53:55 GMT -6
>Mic locker video
John, what/where is the "Hitler" mic?
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Post by swurveman on Dec 18, 2014 10:06:32 GMT -6
The ceiling height is what always blows me away about the tracking rooms of major studios. The wall materials of wood and stone are available to anybody, and many people with large homes have basements as long and wide as the tracking room. It's the ceiling height that's the show stopper.
For you acoustics experts: Has there been any acoustics research regarding acoustic solutions to emulate the benefits of the high ceiling without having one? I'd be interested in any thoughts on the subject.
Thanks again to John for the photos.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 18, 2014 10:16:02 GMT -6
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Post by jimwilliams on Dec 18, 2014 10:50:33 GMT -6
I have a huge crawl space under my house...hmmm. I built a home studio in Granada Hills, suburb of LA back in the early 1980's. This guy's dad had a 1962 Cuban missle crisis era atomic bomb shelter built under the front lawn. The access was a stairwell in the rec room, opened up to be part of a large tracking space including the garage. I stripped out all the insulation and removed the shelves and food storage. We left in the ventilators and filters, there were a couple sticking up into the front lawn like a box with vents. I placed a pair of JBL 4312 12" 3 way monitors inside powered by a BGW power amp. A pair of AKG 451's were used as the pickup mics. Since reverb time was fixed (not being able to move 2 foot thick concrete walls easily) I designed a one knob compressor/expander circuit to control reverb time. In the center it was normal. To the left was expansion that shortened reverb times. To the right was compression that created longer reverb times. Yes, that studio was called the Bombshelter. |
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