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Post by lpedrum on Nov 2, 2014 20:04:25 GMT -6
Hey Folks, I really like RGO--there's a real feeling of civility and helpfulness. I still check out GS, but yesterday on the Apogee Ensemble thread a couple of "my way or the highway" guys got into a silly slapfest. Honestly life is to valuable to wade through that nonsense. However, it doesn't seem like RGO is growing much as far as participation goes, and it doesn't seem to get feedback from the bigger companies like Apogee either. I'm not criticizing anyone--just wondering what can be done to spread the word?
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Post by Ward on Nov 3, 2014 7:22:07 GMT -6
The problem with getting bigger is we could lose the civility and have more of these "my way or the highway" types in here.
There are a lot of us here who've already been there, seen that, done that, know the difference and really don't need some junior with 10 years experience trying to reinvent the wheel, and be a know-it-all who tries to one-up the rest of us... we can all learn from each other. I hope the douches stay clear of here.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 3, 2014 7:46:19 GMT -6
Perhaps we might point the way to some friends who haven't joined in yet.
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Post by svart on Nov 3, 2014 8:22:06 GMT -6
I think with all things, word of mouth is best. Generally if you like someone enough to talk to them directly, they are good enough people to be part of the forum.
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Post by ericn on Nov 3, 2014 11:09:31 GMT -6
The purple sight offers so much to so many because it is so huge, it is hard to get someone to come over here when GS has the manufacturers ( new products is there most read forum) plus the large classifieds. The thing is what most of us like about this place is that because its not about being big you can have a conversation , really learn something and that's because it s not about being big. After the holidays I have to send JK a donation to keep this place going, and maybe that's what we all need to do to make the community larger, and not about not pissing a banner add supporter off.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 3, 2014 11:30:35 GMT -6
The purple sight offers so much to so many because it is so huge, it is hard to get someone to come over here when GS has the manufacturers ( new products is there most read forum) plus the large classifieds. The thing is what most of us like about this place is that because its not about being big you can have a conversation , really learn something and that's because it s not about being big. After the holidays I have to send JK a donation to keep this place going, and maybe that's what we all need to do to make the community larger, and not about not pissing a banner add supporter off. JMO, This is exactly right, Jk has to finance this whole thing, he hasn't asked anyone for $, but he did post the shared revenue forum at the top of the main page, it would be great if guys would sign up there, and also hit the paypal donate button once in a while to help take some of the $ pressure off JK, i think this place will grow with more threads started, and a rise in RGO's presence on the google search machine?
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 3, 2014 11:37:56 GMT -6
Yep, it's a catch 22. I'm all for growth, but with that usually comes an infestation of ass hats. Small is good as long as the bills are paid.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Nov 3, 2014 13:04:33 GMT -6
Small self-selected is good! Every single pro audio newsgroup, mailing list or forum that has grown very big has turned off most of the people one can learn from.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 3, 2014 13:58:16 GMT -6
I would love for this forum to grow. We probably average around 1 or 2 new people a day...not growing very fast, but I haven't done anything to promote it. That costs money...and lots of it. Facebook doesn't work. Wasted about $200 trying that. I wish I could get a good classified section going. Don't know really how to make it the "cool place" - guess it's gonna have to be word of mouth. BTW - I would say only about 3% of the members post anything. Interesting.
I would love to be able to have more members to be able to grow our advertisers and to attract more of them. I believe we offer a really good influential and hard core base of users for advertisers...and my monthly banner cost 42 times less than GS's for the same number of raw impressions.
What we need is traffic...if you guys can help out by spreading the word, that would be awesome. BTW - the TSU thing is cool, but it's certainly not turning out to be a profitable money maker for the site. I've made .03 cents so far.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 3, 2014 13:59:27 GMT -6
BTW - I will weed out any members that are here to cause problems...life is too short - and in my opinion, if you can't act civilized while disagreeing, you should take it to the purple site.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 3, 2014 14:02:43 GMT -6
Also - Sorry I haven't been around as much lately. I've just been swamped trying to make music in order to spend it all on stuff to make music in order to spend money on stuff to make music. Or something to that effect.
Any suggestions on combining any of the forums? Sometimes I wonder if the Songwriting forum shouldn't be swallowed up by the main board, but I just don't know about people showing up here and half of the first page is about people hating Bro Country...That's not really Real Gear Online.
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Post by ericn on Nov 3, 2014 14:25:46 GMT -6
John, The advertisers care as much about how many new customers they can tie to views as they do raw views. That's part of GS problem lots of views but are they generating anything? Your being gone and making music is a goodthing! Many view the downfall in quality in that purple site when Jules became more of an Internet guy and less of a recording guy!
Classifieds will grow as word spreads that they are affective.
The thing is your best bet is to recruite guys like Shannon and Jeff, Vendors who still enjoy recording, who are here to talk audio as much as sell gear! GS has scared and scard a lot of great people. Maybe experiment with a couple of retailers with a discount code so both parties can track sales. Like I said its not about just views its about what it costs to get sales.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 3, 2014 14:35:50 GMT -6
Great point! That's why it's really important for the guys we have here to support these founding advertisers! I'm proud - and endorse every one of them. Please click the banners and check them out!
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 3, 2014 15:00:24 GMT -6
"the TSU thing is cool, but it's certainly not turning out to be a profitable money maker for the site. I've made .03 cents so far. "it pays more than spotify!
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 3, 2014 15:02:36 GMT -6
Johnkenn maybe you can consolidate the "songwriting"/"what i'm working on now" sub forums?
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Post by ericn on Nov 3, 2014 15:08:47 GMT -6
"the TSU thing is cool, but it's certainly not turning out to be a profitable money maker for the site. I've made .03 cents so far. "it pays more than spotify! The problem is you have to have Taylor Swift name on it who else could take white noise to #1 ! Okay it was Canada but I heard Pinks next to singles are Pink Noise and my hubby's ride! That's how you make money!
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Post by mobeach on Nov 3, 2014 15:21:48 GMT -6
It's a very specialized website. I think for the most part, those who only gig have what they need and don't really spend much money on new gear, so they don't put the time into joining forums. This is more of an Amateur-Pro recording engineer, and Amateur-Pro FOH engineer forum. I think the only way to grow is to steal members (that post a lot) from other sites. Selectively.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 3, 2014 15:30:32 GMT -6
Interesting. Think there's any point to even consolidating?
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Post by svart on Nov 3, 2014 15:36:02 GMT -6
Honestly, I would break out the sections even further. Personally i don't like to dig too far into the clutter to find things, so I have lots and lots of folders and hierarchy in everything I do, so that I don't have to look around trying to find info on "bears" in a folder of "things". I simply go into "wild animals" and look for the "bear" folder, which has brown, black, grizzly, polar and panda sub folders.
If you get my drift.
I would think smashing complex discussions into increasingly vague sub forums would only make information harder to find. We want it easier and easier to find so that people don't get discouraged while searching around.
IMHO..
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 3, 2014 15:37:31 GMT -6
See, but that was one thing I despised about the purple site - the 47 sub forums. I kind of think it's set up pretty well right now.
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Post by svart on Nov 3, 2014 15:44:30 GMT -6
Yeah I'm not sure there is an optimal solution. Maybe a poll to find out what most people prefer? I dunno.
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Post by ephi82 on Nov 3, 2014 16:05:10 GMT -6
Can I make a suggestion as a relative new guy?
My overall impression of this forum is that it has been dominated by custom or modified mic builders (nothing wrong with that) but it's kind of one dimensional. Maybe it goes in phases, but that's my impression. Mic builders, I mean no disrespect I have learned a great deal that has been very helpful.
An opportunity for this forum may be to encourage expanded topics or conversations about other hardware. Maybe analog tape lovers section, compression, best efx processors, ITB or outboard?
In my opinion, the major fail of GS is that there is zero organized discussion about the fundamentals of tracking, mixing and mastering. Instead, the membership take on a superior attitude about all of that, as if "everyone" on the forum already knows the ins and out of those fundamentals.
The fact is that GS to me has 10-20% of their membership as pros who wont waste their time helping the less experienced out on these issues, and 80-90% of the membership as bedroom jerk offs who want to humiliate others to make them selves feel better.
That is the huge weakness of ole Jules.
This forum should bring more information to help the less experienced recordist get to their potential. I love helping folks who are really serious about developing their recording chops and who are "students" of the art.
The GS place makes people like that feel like crap.
There's the opportunity!
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Post by ephi82 on Nov 3, 2014 16:08:27 GMT -6
I just want to clarify: a ot of the people who visit purple (80-90%) are less experienced folks. Many of them act like they know everything, but a good number of them get dismissed as being in experienced, which they are? Who not help people out?
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 3, 2014 16:34:08 GMT -6
Interesting. Think there's any point to even consolidating? Even with what svart said, and i get why he says it, most members gravitate to one area. As an experiment, you should re post a new thread in this section about Jeffs "hypothetical" new 500 series compressor, i bet it gets 10 times the posts of whats going on in the diy section...so, i guess my answer is.... maybe? I think a great thing to do would be to organize some raffle type of vendor sponsored give aways, songwriting contests, mixing contests? maybe start some "ask ____" special guest sub forums, that would attract people big time, maybe an "Ask Bob Ohlsson" sub forum? He's such an amazing guy to have around, it'd be cool to get that kind of a thing going with some famed engineers/artist? most importantly, we'd all have to be vigilant about keeping trollish nasty sabatores out of here with large member expansion. I wish more people would post new threads, i try to, but i feel like im over stepping sometimes(plus i'm weird 8). Jk, you have a great track record of posting new threads that get traction, maybe you could get manufacturers to lend u gear for reviews, then you'll be posting very current threads that those vendors will be attracted to? Just spitting ideas.....
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Post by mobeach on Nov 3, 2014 16:38:17 GMT -6
One idea that popped into my head is perhaps sub forums for pro's and amateurs/intermediates. I can understand why a pro engineer would skip over a recording 101 question that a rookie should be learning on their own. But it's also one of the ways rookies learn. I know on the purple site they pretty much get stomped on. In that respect a "Tips and Tricks" for rookies section could draw in the more audio challenged...
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