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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 3, 2014 16:47:06 GMT -6
Well Ephi, any conversation or subject you want to bring up is welcome. I'm not sure I understand how we can complain that the board is "dominated" by a subject when anyone is free to post whatever they want.
As far as separating "pro" from "non-pro" - I just think that's elitist. If you are a pro and too cool to post, then to hell with you. I'm not begging anyone to post here. Thats the total antithesis to this board.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 3, 2014 16:50:53 GMT -6
I just want to clarify: a ot of the people who visit purple (80-90%) are less experienced folks. Many of them act like they know everything, but a good number of them get dismissed as being in experienced, which they are? Who not help people out? This is a very huge thing imo, i try very hard to be helpful, and never belittle anyone(i think most everyone here does the same), there are no dumb questions, anyone can surprise you with a gem out of nowhere!, we all started somewhere, we're all at different distances down our paths of our own experience, we all know more in some areas and less in others, i cannot believe how much stuff i've picked up from you guys over the last year or so, it's been great, and i am totally grateful for it!
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Post by wiz on Nov 3, 2014 16:54:34 GMT -6
small, invite whom you like to join.
If john needs money, pony up a few simoleans to keep it running.
If you want to know something, post a question.
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don't be an asshole.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by scumbum on Nov 3, 2014 17:09:01 GMT -6
I don't like sub forums , I'm lazy , I rather click on one section and read everything new that was posted .
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Post by Martin John Butler on Nov 3, 2014 17:13:58 GMT -6
ephi82, at every juncture, members here tend to bend over backwards to help whenever they can, so I don't think that's a problem at all. Many members are also experienced professionals, so they know how to politely push someone back when they're crossing the line or hijacking a thread. It just doesn't get any more civil than this, and actually offer opposing opinions.
I don't think much needs to change. One thing I have noticed, finding this site can be difficult on mobile devices. If someone tells someone to look for realgear they might not find their way here because real gear doesn't always get you to realgear.freeforums.net.
and on a computer it's realgearonline. If it could simply be realgear.com, I bet more traffic would find it's way here.
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 3, 2014 17:14:10 GMT -6
I don't like sub forums , I'm lazy , I rather click on one section and read everything new that was posted . you could always push the "new participated" button at the top right of the main page scum. Did you see Steigers "hypothetical" compressor? s s ss ss s ssick!!!
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Post by ericn on Nov 3, 2014 17:28:44 GMT -6
To many boxes means somebody has to spend their time deciding what goes in what box, people are eay offended when someone else decides they put their question in the wrong box.
If I were a newbie I would be less fearful here than at the purple place. The thought that this place is dominated by mic modders is an overstatemen, they are vocal but they are also trying to save you a bunch of money! If you fall for the hype you could spend a lot of money on a repackaged generic made in China mic. Learning the basics of soldering and circuitry will save you time and money in the long run and is a basic skill I expect from any body who calls themselves an RE!
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 3, 2014 17:40:50 GMT -6
To many boxes means somebody has to spend their time deciding what goes in what box, people are eay offended when someone else decides they put their question in the wrong box. If I were a newbie I would be less fearful here than at the purple place. The thought that this place is dominated by mic modders is an overstatemen, they are vocal but they are also trying to save you a bunch of money! If you fall for the hype you could spend a lot of money on a repackaged generic made in China mic. Learning the basics of soldering and circuitry will save you time and money in the long run and is a basic skill I expect from any body who calls themselves an RE! in the spirit of helping your bro's for sure
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 3, 2014 18:01:47 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Nov 3, 2014 18:17:31 GMT -6
To many boxes means somebody has to spend their time deciding what goes in what box, people are eay offended when someone else decides they put their question in the wrong box. If I were a newbie I would be less fearful here than at the purple place. The thought that this place is dominated by mic modders is an overstatemen, they are vocal but they are also trying to save you a bunch of money! If you fall for the hype you could spend a lot of money on a repackaged generic made in China mic. Learning the basics of soldering and circuitry will save you time and money in the long run and is a basic skill I expect from any body who calls themselves an RE! in the spirit of helping your bro's for sure I look at modding as a great payment plan, for instance I am currently looking at a couple of some of Jim Williams favorite platforms to mod a trio ( hey I like having enough of a pre to do a kit) of Studio Technologies Mic Preeminience's ! For around $250 ea used I get a useable pre, for another $275 I have 2 ch of dead ringers for Millenia ! Not bad,.
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Post by cowboycoalminer on Nov 3, 2014 18:19:53 GMT -6
BTW - I will weed out any members that are here to cause problems...life is too short - and in my opinion, if you can't act civilized while disagreeing, you should take it to the purple site. That's a good plan. Democracy is overrated and I'm not being sarcastic. Don't allow people to be ass holes and soon the word will get out to ass holes that this isn't the site for them.
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Post by scumbum on Nov 3, 2014 18:26:16 GMT -6
I don't like sub forums , I'm lazy , I rather click on one section and read everything new that was posted . you could always push the "new participated" button at the top right of the main page scum. Did you see Steigers "hypothetical" compressor? s s ss ss s ssick!!! I haven't seen his compressor yet . I have to check that out . Thanks for the lazy man new participated button tip . Hey what about putting an AD in Tape Op magazine ? Is it expensive ? You'll get a ton of exposure that way .
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Post by odyssey76 on Nov 3, 2014 18:35:55 GMT -6
I don't like sub forums , I'm lazy , I rather click on one section and read everything new that was posted . you could always push the "new participated" button at the top right of the main page scum. Did you see Steigers "hypothetical" compressor? s s ss ss s ssick!!! Tony-what's this "hypothetical compressor?"
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 3, 2014 19:01:47 GMT -6
you could always push the "new participated" button at the top right of the main page scum. Did you see Steigers "hypothetical" compressor? s s ss ss s ssick!!! Tony-what's this "hypothetical compressor?" see what i'm saying Johnkenn ? here ya go odyssey realgearonline.com/post/37461/thread
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Post by ericn on Nov 3, 2014 19:32:19 GMT -6
John , I won't be hurt if you don't want to answer but roughly what's it cost to keep this place going a month? Maybe some of us would be more willing to do a public radio type thing if we new how much this rodeo is costing you!
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Post by sopwith on Nov 3, 2014 19:43:03 GMT -6
Hmm this is a good point. I sometimes miss hot threads in the DIY forum because I only check it once every couple of weeks. Maybe a frontpage or small subforum which lists the hottest/most active threads per day/week in the whole site would be handy? Also, as an amateur on the audio side (if you need advice on film/CG/visual media I'm your guy), I've found this place incredibly helpful and supportive. It's got a great mix of players, writers, recording engineers, DIY heroes, and incredible technicians all chipping in to the whole forum, unlike other places where people tend to stay in one subforum and only comment on what they know best.
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Post by odyssey76 on Nov 3, 2014 19:45:04 GMT -6
Wow, f*&#@n' awesome! I gotta' visit the DIY more often.
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Post by keymod on Nov 3, 2014 19:45:30 GMT -6
I like the fact that it's a smaller, intimate group. Feels like a group of friends hanging out.
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Post by Johnkenn on Nov 3, 2014 20:12:26 GMT -6
Well, I get it...but would you have me dissolve the DIY forum into the main forum?
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Post by lpedrum on Nov 3, 2014 21:17:39 GMT -6
I agree that the smaller size of RGO seems to lead to more civil discussions--this is definitely a friendlier place than GS. I also feel that this site is a little more focused on where most recording is headed -- small but powerful studios that put the means of production in the hands of musicians.
It's easy to sit back and say try this or try that. But I'd like to see more interaction with gear companies (large and small) and invite them to be a guest on a specific thread. Is it difficult to invite them to do that? For instance, a larger company (Apogee) just released a new Ensemble, and a smaller company (Louder than Liftoff) just released their new Silver Bullet. Yet I had to go to GS to ask hear what the manufacturers were saying and I think the conversation would have been more enlightening and intelligent if it took place here. Would it make sense to invite a company rep to be involved with a "troll-free" thread for a week? And maybe make it worth their while with some free advertising? Maybe this has been tried already.
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Post by scumbum on Nov 3, 2014 21:22:03 GMT -6
Whoa , that is cool ! I would have missed that thread ,
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Post by tonycamphd on Nov 3, 2014 22:02:24 GMT -6
Well, I get it...but would you have me dissolve the DIY forum into the main forum? nahhh.... we were talking about turning the "what i'm working on" and "song writing" subs into one, they seem pretty close in description...or not? i'm not sure you should change anything.
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Post by ericn on Nov 3, 2014 22:20:55 GMT -6
I agree that the smaller size of RGO seems to lead to more civil discussions--this is definitely a friendlier place than GS. I also feel that this site is a little more focused on where most recording is headed -- small but powerful studios that put the means of production in the hands of musicians. It's easy to sit back and say try this or try that. But I'd like to see more interaction with gear companies (large and small) and invite them to be a guest on a specific thread. Is it difficult to invite them to do that? For instance, a larger company (Apogee) just released a new Ensemble, and a smaller company (Louder than Liftoff) just released their new Silver Bullet. Yet I had to go to GS to ask hear what the manufacturers were saying and I think the conversation would have been more enlightening and intelligent if it took place here. Would it make sense to invite a company rep to be involved with a "troll-free" thread for a week? And maybe make it worth their while with some free advertising? Maybe this has been tried already. I'm playing devils advocate here but, for most manufacturers Time is the most valuable commodity, and like it or not most are going to go to where the most eyeballs are unless you can show that your fewer eyeballs equal sales. Also Dr Bill and Brad do spend time here and while there isn't a desperate thread there was some info on this in the AES thread, and picks of Tony and Dr Bill not trying to kill each other! The thing is if you give ads away for free people think itt should be free! Ad sales makes used car sales seam like a clean cut upright endevour. Which is only made worse by the fact that showing the ad on your site, paper , mag , car, lead to sales.
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Post by LesC on Nov 3, 2014 23:17:36 GMT -6
I have a few thoughts:
1. First of all, I love this place! Like most members, I've been slapped around a couple of times when some people just misunderstood what I was saying. But overall the experience is very pleasant. However, because of the limited number of members, and therefore the limited number of topics, I find myself still going to Gearslutz after I've read everything new on RGO. It's weird, I almost feel guilty, but there still is a lot of useful info there at the beginning of new threads, until two or three members try to out-asshole each other with their opinions presented as obvious facts that only an idiot would disagree with. I hope this place can be grown with lots more topics without growing the animosity.
2. I think eventually advertisers will discover this place. Many of my purchases over the last couple of years have been heavily influenced by you guys. For example, a Heritage DMA-73, a Burl B2 AD, and 2 Warm Audio TB12's. Just today I picked up a Warm Audio WA76, so far the radio buttons are working on this one, so far I'm happy!
3. I value the participation of vendors, ALL vendors. For example, I really dislike the way some RGO members wished to chase Steven Slate away, that's the closest we've gotten to a Gearslutz mentality. If you think he's too self-promoting and don't want to see his opinions, it's really simple, just don't read the threads he participates in. Don't try to protect us from ourselves, we're all adults, we all know vendors will promote their products, their information is still invaluable even if much of it is hype. I like the way MJB handles it, he concisely states the aspects of Slate's products that have disappointed him, but he doesn't extend that to personal attacks. I think this is called maturity and class, we have a lot more of both than Gearslutz, let's keep it that way.
4. Subforums are irrelevant to me. I always just go to "New Topics", and every thread that's been created or updated in the last few days is shown on the first page. Wonderful! This way I see topics that are interesting to me from subforums that I wouldn't otherwise go into.
5. Having said that subforums are irrevelant to me, I will now contradict myself. I would like to see a "Recording/Mixing/Mastering Techniques" subforum, covering beginner to advanced topics. I think all of us have used certain techniques to an extent that they become second nature. We wouldn't even think of posting about them, even though to other members they may be new, or forgotten, or present a different way of thinking about things. For example, I just got the WA76 and the closest I've ever been to using an 1176 before was the UAD plugins. I would like to start a thread about favorite 1176 settings for various purposes, and will probably do so, but right now it would have to go into "Pro Audio". Some of you pros would probably consider that topic too trivial to be in that subforum.
6. I love Tony's idea of having in-depth reviews of equipment lent by vendors, done by the more experienced members, such as JK and Cowboy. The vendors would need to agree that the truth will be told, both positive and negative, and advertising dollars will not be influential. Hopefully this would mean that they will only allow reviews of products that they truly believe in.
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Post by drbill on Nov 3, 2014 23:29:29 GMT -6
But I'd like to see more interaction with gear companies (large and small) and invite them to be a guest on a specific thread. Is it difficult to invite them to do that? For instance, a larger company (Apogee) just released a new Ensemble, and a smaller company (Louder than Liftoff) just released their new Silver Bullet. Yet I had to go to GS to ask hear what the manufacturers were saying and I think the conversation would have been more enlightening and intelligent if it took place here. Also Dr Bill and Brad do spend time here and while there isn't a desperate thread there was some info on this in the AES thread, and picks of Tony and Dr Bill not trying to kill each other!lpedrum - IMO the Silver Bullet thread on GS has been extremely enlightening, intelligent and civil. Several have commented to me directly about that. If you need more info, give it a shot. There's a lot over there. As for a RGO thread on the Silver Bullet discussing it, I'd be happy to oblige, but honestly, it didn't seem there was much interest here. Since I'm not a manufacturer - only teaming up with Brad on this project - I don't know the rules, regs and such. If someone else wants to start a thread on the SB, I'll be happy to chime in if my hands can hold out. The last couple of weeks have brought me severe hand and wrist pain which I've been avoiding, but I can no longer avoid the reality. Playing guitar and keys and mixing are very difficult now, and they are my bread and butter, so I've got to figure it all out, and typing takes a back seat. Somethings up, so I'm trying to cut back on as much typing now as I can. But I'll still give it a go.... eric - what you don't know is that right after those pics were taken, I took TC hostage with the help of some vietnamese women, and am holding him in a dark, damp basement in Little Siagon in the OC with only NS10's, Behringer power amps a couple chinese acoustics, an alexis 3630, some unbranded chinese mics and a mackie mixer until he gave up his password to RGO. It took a couple of weeks of bread and water and shock treatment in addition to his "basement studio" monitoring at 120dB, but he finally gave it up. All posts in the last 72 hours under his name have actually been mine. bwahahahahaha!!!!!!!!
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