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Post by griffinpb on Sept 9, 2024 22:35:02 GMT -6
Lately, what I have used for a mono overhead is an Alder Audio H44 ribbon. It's fairly small, fairly light, and sounds really great. At $500, I haven't found anything I liked better for mono overhead. For stereo overheads, I have a pair of AT4050. They are nice sounding and pretty nuetral. I actually prefer the Alder ribbon. Also not a ribbon, but a Beyerdynamic MC930 is very nice on overheads as well. I've been curious about the Alder H44. I have a Hohm hr02 and I've been tempted to order an Alder to compare.
Also +1 for the c38b. Really nice as a mono OH, has a great feel on the attack.
I recall reading somewhere the Khruangbin used an AKG D19 as a mono overhead on a record (Con Todo El Mundo, I believe). For that style of playing, it seems to sound pretty great.
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Post by sean on Sept 9, 2024 22:54:17 GMT -6
AKG 414 EB and ULS are very "flat" so not exciting but I find them very easy to manipulate. And being multi-pattern you can experiment with that, and the pads come in handy on drums. Sony C38B can be pretty "dull" but they are low sensitivity which makes them nice for drums...they aren't going to overload if you hit hard. Another "boring" microphone that's easy to EQ is the Neumann TLM 193, which uses a K89 capsule. Soundelux / Bock U195 is a great mic but maybe too similar the Serrano. Vanguard V13 if you want a bit more "detailed" sound. The Lauten mic with the 3 "voicing" seems interesting.
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Post by Oneiro on Sept 10, 2024 10:17:01 GMT -6
Sanken CU-41. Great mono OH mic with its off-axis response. Captures the toms well. Super clear transients but not harsh or without character.
Two coincident capsules - technically not an LDC I guess - but functionally the same.
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Post by ironinthepath on Sept 10, 2024 19:16:12 GMT -6
I’d personally buy a Coles 4038 and just leave it there, use the “sock“ when not in use, just because I think it’s great for mono overhead…. But you said LDC…. Nobody mentioned TLM102, which is a nice all-rounder on a budget, can’t imagine it being bad for that role. KSM32 might be another contender
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Post by drumsound on Sept 10, 2024 21:12:01 GMT -6
AKG 414 EB and ULS are very "flat" so not exciting but I find them very easy to manipulate. And being multi-pattern you can experiment with that, and the pads come in handy on drums. Sony C38B can be pretty "dull" but they are low sensitivity which makes them nice for drums...they aren't going to overload if you hit hard. Another "boring" microphone that's easy to EQ is the Neumann TLM 193, which uses a K89 capsule. Soundelux / Bock U195 is a great mic but maybe too similar the Serrano. Vanguard V13 if you want a bit more "detailed" sound. The Lauten mic with the 3 "voicing" seems interesting. You can listen to examples I made a couple of week ago HERE |
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Post by smashlord on Sept 10, 2024 21:18:55 GMT -6
I have a decent stereo ribbon, and an R84 which I like over the kit. I’m not leaving a ribbon hanging sideways on a stand indefinitely, and this is a room where I want a cardioid mic. Thanks though! Totally understood! 👍 The Soyuz 023 could be an interesting candidate up there. I have a 019FET, which is a bit too spendy of a mic for me personally to leave up all the time, but the 023 could be super interesting in that spot. Came here to suggest both of these. The 017 FET (formerly the 019) is my go to for mono drum OH lately. It is just so warm with a classy top. I particularly love it with thwappy, low tuned snares or a snare with some sort of Big Fat Snare-type of thing on it. The 023 Bomblet also is just killer on anything drums. It doesn't have the same top end extension as the 017 FET... it's a bit darker but the way it handles transients is just awesome... kind of sounds like a ribbon a bit in that respect. Its capsule is descended from a CK12, so I guess it's kind of in the C414 family, if that's what you are looking for? It does sort of remind me of a brass capsule C414 where it's not super hyped up top, but is still detailed and present. Both mics take EQ really well, too, if you need to bring out the cymbals with some top. I can't say that for recent variants of the C414. |
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Post by robo on Sept 11, 2024 8:42:01 GMT -6
AKG 414 EB and ULS are very "flat" so not exciting but I find them very easy to manipulate. And being multi-pattern you can experiment with that, and the pads come in handy on drums. Sony C38B can be pretty "dull" but they are low sensitivity which makes them nice for drums...they aren't going to overload if you hit hard. Another "boring" microphone that's easy to EQ is the Neumann TLM 193, which uses a K89 capsule. Soundelux / Bock U195 is a great mic but maybe too similar the Serrano. Vanguard V13 if you want a bit more "detailed" sound. The Lauten mic with the 3 "voicing" seems interesting. You can listen to examples I made a couple of week ago HEREThe Lauren sounds good, and versatile. How would you compare it to your SE T2’s? The examples I’ve found of those on drums sound nice, and I’m hoping not to spend too much as I already have an otherwise solid collection. |
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Post by woofhead on Sept 11, 2024 8:58:50 GMT -6
A mic to consider for this might be an at4047-its a transformer coupled audiotechnica mic and the top end is rolled off compared to other at mics and its got some mid low boost. Shure ksm 32 could work well and is cleaner perhaps either would be around 250 used
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Post by drumsound on Sept 11, 2024 11:13:38 GMT -6
You can listen to examples I made a couple of week ago HEREThe Lauren sounds good, and versatile. How would you compare it to your SE T2’s? The examples I’ve found of those on drums sound nice, and I’m hoping not to spend too much as I already have an otherwise solid collection. I don't have nearly the amount of time with the Atlantis and I do with the T2. The T2 is a very fast mic because of the titanium, and that makes it work for a lot of things. Its been a while since I had on over the drums, but it is something I did like. I've been thinking about doing a spaced pair with them, but I've been so busy that keeping the SDC ORTF pair in place is a good shorthand of a sound I know works in my space. The T2 is much less expensive than the Lauten, but I would never call it a lesser microphone. On a side note, if you have a piano, the T2 KILLS there, at least on the soundboard of my upright. You could also search for a used sE X1D, which also has the titanium capsule. I've got those on my toms right now. |
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Post by notneeson on Sept 11, 2024 15:24:44 GMT -6
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Post by robo on Sept 11, 2024 18:04:22 GMT -6
I have the big brother of that mic, the Delphos. It is good over the kit, but I like it too much on vocals and FOK to leave it up there. Also, it is a heavy mic and the clip isn’t strong enough to support it horizontally. I actually might get a third-party clip anyway as it sags in normal use too (I’m on my second clip). I am considering getting a mini k87 or mini k47 as mono overhead still…I’ll probably end up getting a couple options used and selling back whatever I don’t choose. |
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Post by phdamage on Sept 11, 2024 19:35:07 GMT -6
The Lauren sounds good, and versatile. How would you compare it to your SE T2’s? The examples I’ve found of those on drums sound nice, and I’m hoping not to spend too much as I already have an otherwise solid collection. I don't have nearly the amount of time with the Atlantis and I do with the T2. The T2 is a very fast mic because of the titanium, and that makes it work for a lot of things. It’s been a while since I had on over the drums, but it is something I did like. I've been thinking about doing a spaced pair with them, but I've been so busy that keeping the SDC ORTF pair in place is a good shorthand of a sound I know works in my space. The T2 is much less expensive than the Lauten, but I would never call it a lesser microphone. On a side note, if you have a piano, the T2 KILLS there, at least on the soundboard of my upright. You could also search for a used sE X1D, which also has the titanium capsule. I've got those on my toms right now. It is a crime the X1D is discontinued! I got 4 of them on crazy clearance. Wish I had bought 10! Killer Tom and kick reso mics. Not bad for bass cabs either |
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Post by notneeson on Sept 11, 2024 20:11:20 GMT -6
I have the big brother of that mic, the Delphos. It is good over the kit, but I like it too much on vocals and FOK to leave it up there. Also, it is a heavy mic and the clip isn’t strong enough to support it horizontally. I actually might get a third-party clip anyway as it sags in normal use too (I’m on my second clip). I am considering getting a mini k87 or mini k47 as mono overhead still…I’ll probably end up getting a couple options used and selling back whatever I don’t choose. I have a pair of Michael Joly modded v250s that are good on OHs, I believe they’re somewhat similar sounding to the mini K87s. |
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Post by drumsound on Sept 11, 2024 23:17:55 GMT -6
I don't have nearly the amount of time with the Atlantis and I do with the T2. The T2 is a very fast mic because of the titanium, and that makes it work for a lot of things. It’s been a while since I had on over the drums, but it is something I did like. I've been thinking about doing a spaced pair with them, but I've been so busy that keeping the SDC ORTF pair in place is a good shorthand of a sound I know works in my space. The T2 is much less expensive than the Lauten, but I would never call it a lesser microphone. On a side note, if you have a piano, the T2 KILLS there, at least on the soundboard of my upright. You could also search for a used sE X1D, which also has the titanium capsule. I've got those on my toms right now. It is a crime the X1D is discontinued! I got 4 of them on crazy clearance. Wish I had bought 10! Killer Tom and kick reso mics. Not bad for bass cabs either Agreed! They never marked it well, hell, they never marketed the T2 well either. I also bought 4 (but I got an even better deal than you, I'm pretty sure...) My buddy Chris Garges did buy 10 at the price I got. He used a bunch of them, and gifted a few to friends and clients. |
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Post by christopher on Sept 12, 2024 1:54:54 GMT -6
If you want latest FET or 414, gotta add Sony c100 to the list for consideration
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Post by phdamage on Sept 12, 2024 7:03:44 GMT -6
It is a crime the X1D is discontinued! I got 4 of them on crazy clearance. Wish I had bought 10! Killer Tom and kick reso mics. Not bad for bass cabs either Agreed! They never marked it well, hell, they never marketed the T2 well either. I also bought 4 (but I got an even better deal than you, I'm pretty sure...) My buddy Chris Garges did buy 10 at the price I got. He used a bunch of them, and gifted a few to friends and clients. I think I got $72 each. Still a killer price even if I didn’t get the lowest! I stupidly bought an SE3300 thinking it was the same as the T2. Thought they just happened to change model numbers. Not a bad mic but nothing special so off it went. Oh man. I never met Chris but thought fondly of him from his Tape Op and TOMB contributions. Seemed a lovely person. |
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Post by drumsound on Sept 12, 2024 7:51:07 GMT -6
Agreed! They never marked it well, hell, they never marketed the T2 well either. I also bought 4 (but I got an even better deal than you, I'm pretty sure...) My buddy Chris Garges did buy 10 at the price I got. He used a bunch of them, and gifted a few to friends and clients. I think I got $72 each. Still a killer price even if I didn’t get the lowest! I stupidly bought an SE3300 thinking it was the same as the T2. Thought they just happened to change model numbers. Not a bad mic but nothing special so off it went. Oh man. I never met Chris but thought fondly of him from his Tape Op and TOMB contributions. Seemed a lovely person. Chris was quite special. 2.5 years later and I still miss him every day. We have a friend who's company marketed sE for a good while, so we both have several of their pieces and he sent a few of us a message when the x1D were being discontinued. |
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Post by robo on Sept 12, 2024 8:09:10 GMT -6
If you want latest FET or 414, gotta add Sony c100 to the list for consideration I had one for a bit. Nice vocal mic but I did not like it on drums. |
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Post by Ward on Sept 12, 2024 8:47:17 GMT -6
A lot of cardioids being mentioned here...
A mono overhead is best if it's an omni.
What kind of capture do you want? big ball of mids like a U87 in omni, a slight happy face like a GOOD C414 in omni or a neutral FLAT eq response and capture like a big old Beyer?
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Post by knucklehead89 on Sept 12, 2024 10:05:20 GMT -6
I normally use a tube LDC or Ribbon for mono OH. Tonelux JC-37 is my favorite. Coles 4038 of course is great. Beyer M160 can be cool. Budget wise an Apex 460 I modded with the 47 capsule and new tube from the Microphone parts.
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Post by robo on Sept 12, 2024 15:07:19 GMT -6
A lot of cardioids being mentioned here... A mono overhead is best if it's an omni. What kind of capture do you want? big ball of mids like a U87 in omni, a slight happy face like a GOOD C414 in omni or a neutral FLAT eq response and capture like a big old Beyer? This is a home studio, and upstairs I have a nice bigger room where I can do omni, ribbon overheads, etc, but I only do that for full bands or if the project really needs a roomy drum sound. The setup I’m dialing in is a heavily-treated basement. Drums sound meaty and satisfying down there but I’ve found it’s best to keep the overheads tight and directional. I’m leaning towards the slight happy face capture for this. I think I’m going to try a Vanguard V4 and maybe an SE T2. KSM32 is tempting but I kind of hate how it looks. |
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Post by antbar on Sept 12, 2024 15:26:24 GMT -6
I'll be curious where you land, as your room sounds like it sounds much like mine. I've got a Roswell k67 and a k87, but both are used specifically for vocals now. I did try out the Roswell 87 on my kit, upstairs in my Office studio, before the basement space had been converted. The Roswell sounded quite good as a mono OH, but the room is miles apart sonically from the basement, of course. And I'm not great with descriptive terms, so "good" is the best I can give! |
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Post by Ward on Sept 12, 2024 16:10:16 GMT -6
A lot of cardioids being mentioned here... A mono overhead is best if it's an omni. What kind of capture do you want? big ball of mids like a U87 in omni, a slight happy face like a GOOD C414 in omni or a neutral FLAT eq response and capture like a big old Beyer? This is a home studio, and upstairs I have a nice bigger room where I can do omni, ribbon overheads, etc, but I only do that for full bands or if the project really needs a roomy drum sound. The setup I’m dialing in is a heavily-treated basement. Drums sound meaty and satisfying down there but I’ve found it’s best to keep the overheads tight and directional. I’m leaning towards the slight happy face capture for this. I think I’m going to try a Vanguard V4 and maybe an SE T2. KSM32 is tempting but I kind of hate how it looks. Good sensible logical thinking and good choices! I love the vanguardaudiolabs microphones! |
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Post by robo on Sept 25, 2024 8:38:42 GMT -6
If anyone is interested in the dramatic conclusion of my quest…. I ended up getting a Vanguard V4 mkII and a SE T2. The T2 wins out over the kit for me. It just sounds balanced without any eq and cuts pleasantly. The V4 has extended air with mellow upper midrange that feels too polite for this spot. I put up the V4 on a group vocal session though, and it was perfect for that. Just a touch of compression and done. I really wanted to sell one of them but I don’t think I can now… Thanks for the help, folks  |
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Post by drumsound on Sept 25, 2024 16:46:51 GMT -6
The T2 is also nice on acoustic guitars, piano (though 2 is better for piano), and a good number of singers. Oh, and VO.
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