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Post by Vincent R. on Sept 30, 2024 16:07:57 GMT -6
Adding 15-20 Minutes Italian Vowel and/or general Italian study each day. Sing through the “a” sound in the Italian word “Stai.” |
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Post by chessparov on Oct 2, 2024 11:47:42 GMT -6
Of course  As I better follow the Bel Canto breathing methods… My Voice is more “Shipa” (Lighter overall) than even De Luca’s Lyric. Yes I know Shipa was a Tenor. LOL! The bottom Octave is heavier/full Lyric. though. From there quite (Tenor-ish) Baritone-Martyn. I had thought I could bring that lower Weight… Up into the Higher Registers. And sound more “Authoritive”. But alas sounds not to be!  (But I have naturally good “Cut” ) BTW Ruffo’s Autobiography is a fantastic read. Generally considered the finest of any self written Opera singer. But I will probably seek out Chaliapin’s too. Really dig his High Bass. Along with his formidable Acting Skills. Ala Callas-and Ruffo! * Chris *Early 50’s Callas may be my fave Operatic Soprano voice! |
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Post by gwlee7 on Oct 2, 2024 18:09:38 GMT -6
And we have moved on from “Dirty Work” to Tom Johnston Doobie Brothers. Coach says let’s learn “Long Train Running” so we can sin high notes with proper enunciation and diction.
I never would have dreamed of singing these style of tunes a year ago.
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Post by chessparov on Oct 3, 2024 12:40:54 GMT -6
Sang last night with a Jazz Quartet.
On “Someone To Watch Over Me”,
For example…
Around 80% of that Ballad was done “Proper Bel Canto”.
The other 20% I “tried” to Jazz it up.
Including a couple of added E’s above Middle C.
Although it was dead on Pitch throughout, I could hear how the Tone quality slipped in those parts.
(It was video recorded by a friend and sounded a bit better than my sense onstage however)
FWIW now beginning to “Speak” High/Low pitches in Songs.
In rehearsal.
Chris
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Post by chessparov on Oct 5, 2024 11:47:13 GMT -6
Postscript… Studying also the “Lighter/Smaller” voiced Tenors and Baritones. Those who were wise like Schipa. Those who “became wise” like Tauber. (Switching to Lighter Roles) But they could “penetrate” past a full Orchestra. Trusting this factor is quite the challenge for me. Big LOUD notes?. Big breath? (in the throat)… Nope! P.S. Such a shame Tauber smoked and died of Lung Cancer fairly young. Supposedly/originally they just told his wife. And told him just they were removing an abcess from his lung. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 14, 2024 9:35:04 GMT -6
WOW. The KTVA debate is really reaching a peak. I don't particularly love this YouTuber, but what a crazy experience to go through.
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Post by tonycamphd on Oct 14, 2024 10:03:33 GMT -6
WOW. The KTVA debate is really reaching a peak. I don't particularly love this YouTuber, but what a crazy experience to go through.
KT is clearly a grade A first rate asshole(am i allowed to say that?😂). I decided a long time ago i wouldn't take his course because i didn't want to look like a dog boner tongued velociraptor when i sing.....(look at my avatar face and say that last sentence again🤣)  |
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Post by chessparov on Oct 14, 2024 14:37:49 GMT -6
So Tony. Would you even bet Juassic on all that Chris |
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Post by Mister Chase on Oct 15, 2024 10:11:21 GMT -6
Guitarist(jazz) and former percussionist/marching snare drummer.
It's more difficult now with cubital tunnel syndrome in both arms and some carpal tunnel and back issues, but I just love to practice. It's all about sitting down and getting deep into it. Hours can go by and I don't realize it sometimes. Yes, sometimes it's a drag if it's not something I particularly like, but in general I love it.
I got into jazz guitar in my early 20s taking lessons with Rick Whitehead near D.C. He was the USAF Airmen of note guitarist for 20+ years. He had great mentors at University of FL Miami like Jerry Coker and Jimmy Casales as well as Mundell Lowe and Johnny Smith to name a few. I got a lot of great advice that wasn't necessarily even music, in my lessons.
As people told me though, there is no substitute for gigging. You do need to practice, but getting out there will be the other piece of the puzzle. 3-4 hour gigs upped my game for sure. The best players were the ones out 6 nights a week but as everyone knows, there really aren't that many opportunities to do that anymore. I do have a solo piano(and combo) playing friend who stays quite busy gigging 3-4 or more times a week, but he has to hustle. This past August was good for me. I think I had 9 gigs. All subs.
It's all about the growth and journey. Just keep training.
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Post by linas on Oct 17, 2024 17:22:30 GMT -6
I started taking vocal lessons! We started with breathing exercises and lip rolls. She said she can hear my pitch is good so that's why she did not ask me to sing for her. She's a bit pricier than other teachers but her studio is near my home and it seems that she's efficient which isn't entirely good since I think she thinks things are going slow for me lol. But yeah, my new teacher is pretty cool and I hope I can push through the rough start and maybe even start singing like a normal singer. YET, my sleep schedule is f'up and I don't do much during the day. I heard today that despair is a sin but what do I do
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 18, 2024 4:15:20 GMT -6
I started taking vocal lessons! We started with breathing exercises and lip rolls. She said she can hear my pitch is good so that's why she did not ask me to sing for her. She's a bit pricier than other teachers but her studio is near my home and it seems that she's efficient which isn't entirely good since I think she thinks things are going slow for me lol. But yeah, my new teacher is pretty cool and I hope I can push through the rough start and maybe even start singing like a normal singer. YET, my sleep schedule is f'up and I don't do much during the day. I heard today that despair is a sin but what do I do Regarding pitch - can you hum in tune? |
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 18, 2024 5:25:14 GMT -6
More classical technique. I don’t personally know Jose, but the opera world is small and we have many mutual friends and peers. He is an Italian school singer who made an interesting discovery about the Snarl shape of his favorite singers mouths.
He and I had a discussion afterward where I explained that this is what the belcanto school considers singing in the mask.
Then he went and studied with Salvatore Fisichella, the greatest tenor that no one outside opera knows. He considered by many to be the last great Belcanto tenor. So Jose asks, and Salvatore explains that you must resonate in the mask while maintaining the open throat. True Belcanto.
Salvatore singing “Che Gelida Manina” At a tribute concert to Beniamino Gigli.
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Post by linas on Oct 18, 2024 12:05:20 GMT -6
I started taking vocal lessons! We started with breathing exercises and lip rolls. She said she can hear my pitch is good so that's why she did not ask me to sing for her. She's a bit pricier than other teachers but her studio is near my home and it seems that she's efficient which isn't entirely good since I think she thinks things are going slow for me lol. But yeah, my new teacher is pretty cool and I hope I can push through the rough start and maybe even start singing like a normal singer. YET, my sleep schedule is f'up and I don't do much during the day. I heard today that despair is a sin but what do I do Regarding pitch - can you hum in tune? Yes, I think I always could. I also, can put my fingers on my nose and the sound doesn't change (one thing I learned on this thread hehe). |
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Post by chessparov on Oct 18, 2024 15:08:06 GMT -6
I started taking vocal lessons! We started with breathing exercises and lip rolls. She said she can hear my pitch is good so that's why she did not ask me to sing for her. She's a bit pricier than other teachers but her studio is near my home and it seems that she's efficient which isn't entirely good since I think she thinks things are going slow for me lol. But yeah, my new teacher is pretty cool and I hope I can push through the rough start and maybe even start singing like a normal singer. YET, my sleep schedule is f'up and I don't do much during the day. I heard today that despair is a sin but what do I do Regarding pitch - can you hum in tune? FWIW AFAIK Manuel Garcia II… Was against “closed mouth” exercises. Like sustained Humming/lip Trills etc. I will re-check that though. Chris P.S. Thanks Vincent! Will review that video before bed. |
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 18, 2024 16:50:35 GMT -6
Regarding pitch - can you hum in tune? Yes, I think I always could. I also, can put my fingers on my nose and the sound doesn't change (one thing I learned on this thread hehe). Right, so your pitch issues aren’t your ear. Humming is a quick test for pitch acuity. It’s simply control of your vocal cords - some people have a natural connection between their chords and their mind. Just like some people can whistle instinctively in tune. If you sing a lot, I mean at least an hour a day, like any instrument you will gradually assume control over its natural range of notes. Then of course you can spend a lifetime mastering a voice just like any instrument. So, don’t worry about the pitch too much - at least don’t let it stop you enjoying singing, pitch has a habit of getting sorted out through the process of singing a lot unless you cannot hear it - but if that was the case your humming would be pitchy too. |
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 18, 2024 16:52:59 GMT -6
Regarding pitch - can you hum in tune? FWIW AFAIK Manuel Garcia II… Was against “closed mouth” exercises. Like sustained Humming/lip Trills etc. I will re-check that though. Chris P.S. Thanks Vincent! Will review that video before bed. Who mentioned humming exercises? |
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Post by linas on Oct 18, 2024 18:05:44 GMT -6
Yes, I think I always could. I also, can put my fingers on my nose and the sound doesn't change (one thing I learned on this thread hehe). Right, so your pitch issues aren’t your ear. Humming is a quick test for pitch acuity. It’s simply control of your vocal cords - some people have a natural connection between their chords and their mind. Just like some people can whistle instinctively in tune. If you sing a lot, I mean at least an hour a day, like any instrument you will gradually assume control over its natural range of notes. Then of course you can spend a lifetime mastering a voice just like any instrument. So, don’t worry about the pitch too much - at least don’t let it stop you enjoying singing, pitch has a habit of getting sorted out through the process of singing a lot unless you cannot hear it - but if that was the case your humming would be pitchy too. Oh, I'm sorry, I probably have worded it out badly. My pitch isn't a problem. My teacher can hear that I have a good pitch that's why we did not sing in the first two lessons. I sing pretty well, it's just that her strategy is starting with breathing, breaking between the chest and head register and only then an actual singing. |
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Post by chessparov on Oct 18, 2024 19:25:20 GMT -6
FWIW AFAIK Manuel Garcia II… Was against “closed mouth” exercises. Like sustained Humming/lip Trills etc. I will re-check that though. Chris P.S. Thanks Vincent! Will review that video before bed. Who mentioned humming exercises? It just came as an association. Hence “sustained”. Whereas your suggestion is great! |
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 19, 2024 2:19:50 GMT -6
Right, so your pitch issues aren’t your ear. Humming is a quick test for pitch acuity. It’s simply control of your vocal cords - some people have a natural connection between their chords and their mind. Just like some people can whistle instinctively in tune. If you sing a lot, I mean at least an hour a day, like any instrument you will gradually assume control over its natural range of notes. Then of course you can spend a lifetime mastering a voice just like any instrument. So, don’t worry about the pitch too much - at least don’t let it stop you enjoying singing, pitch has a habit of getting sorted out through the process of singing a lot unless you cannot hear it - but if that was the case your humming would be pitchy too. Oh, I'm sorry, I probably have worded it out badly. My pitch isn't a problem. My teacher can hear that I have a good pitch that's why we did not sing in the first two lessons. I sing pretty well, it's just that her strategy is starting with breathing, breaking between the chest and head register and only then an actual singing. Got it. Yes breath control is imperative. I highly recommend Roger Love’s book (Set your voice free) for male singers. And everyone should be blowing down a straw into a glass of water 3 times a day (SOVT by Professor Titze) that is absolutely transformational for your voice! |
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Post by chessparov on Oct 21, 2024 12:22:45 GMT -6
More classical technique. I don’t personally know Jose, but the opera world is small and we have many mutual friends and peers. He is an Italian school singer who made an interesting discovery about the Snarl shape of his favorite singers mouths. He and I had a discussion afterward where I explained that this is what the belcanto school considers singing in the mask. Then he went and studied with Salvatore Fisichella, the greatest tenor that no one outside opera knows. He considered by many to be the last great Belcanto tenor. So Jose asks, and Salvatore explains that you must resonate in the mask while maintaining the open throat. True Belcanto. Salvatore singing “Che Gelida Manina” At a tribute concert to Beniamino Gigli. Related to Caruso’s “Square Mouth”/“Square Throat”? (Snarl) Fisichelli is amazing! Roger Love’s Tone is excellent on his Exercises. Any singing of his out there somewhere? |
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 21, 2024 14:17:48 GMT -6
More classical technique. I don’t personally know Jose, but the opera world is small and we have many mutual friends and peers. He is an Italian school singer who made an interesting discovery about the Snarl shape of his favorite singers mouths. He and I had a discussion afterward where I explained that this is what the belcanto school considers singing in the mask. Then he went and studied with Salvatore Fisichella, the greatest tenor that no one outside opera knows. He considered by many to be the last great Belcanto tenor. So Jose asks, and Salvatore explains that you must resonate in the mask while maintaining the open throat. True Belcanto. Salvatore singing “Che Gelida Manina” At a tribute concert to Beniamino Gigli. Related to Caruso’s “Square Mouth”/“Square Throat”? (Snarl) Fisichelli is amazing! Love sounds excellent on his Exercises. Any singing of his out there somewhere? Ooh erh - that’s proper singin’ that is. When I listen to that, it reminds me I’m just a contemporary vocalist - fun as that is - singing with an orchestra in a traditional voice …. that’s a whole different world! |
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Post by chessparov on Oct 21, 2024 14:46:30 GMT -6
I went from a Canned/Tuned “performance” from Billie Eilish on SNL… To watching The Seekers 1968 Live Farewell Concert. Mein Gott! Judith Durham! * “The Boys” of that group were first rate too. Chris *RIP Judith. Voice of an Angel. |
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Post by indiehouse on Oct 21, 2024 18:50:29 GMT -6
I signed up for Ken Tamplins program, but I’m wondering if there’s anything better? I don’t have time for in person lessons right now.
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Post by chessparov on Oct 21, 2024 20:07:28 GMT -6
Other than Trimble? |
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Post by gwlee7 on Oct 22, 2024 20:09:21 GMT -6
I know chessparov and thehightenor are both are Roger Love fans. I have been doing his vocal warm ups at least five days a week on the way to work for a couple of years. My in person coach has me working on solfège relative “DO” as part of our harmony and ear training. So (pun intended), I wrote out the solfège syllables to the Love vocal warm ups so I can work on them in the car as part of my daily practice. |
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