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Post by andersmv on Jun 25, 2024 20:36:59 GMT -6
you say you want a workhorse mic. surprised you removed the Chandler. It's new, so maybe not that many reviews. I've used it on vocal, acoustic guitar, fiddle, pedal steel (amp), hand percussion, congas, electric guitar (amp), drum room mic. Probably more that I'm not remembering right now. it worked great on everything so far. honestly nothing where I wished I had used a different mic. I only have a single right now (so did not try ovhds). The Tape Op reviewer (most recent issue) tried different sources yet. I have a pair of 414b-ULS as well. I like them on some vocals, sometimes acoustic guitar, drum overheads (definitely) but I've been pulling out the Chandler more often than those. my $0.02 It’s definitely one of the top mics on my list still, and this is not final, I’ve only seen one review where I slightly preferred the Heiserman Type 19 to the Chandler, It sounded a bit more pleasing and fuller to my ear probably could have just been for that specific example so I shouldn’t write it off. Also I feel at this level these mics it starts to come down to taste and not so much which is actually better. Pretty much everything that's been mentioned in here isn't junk, all well made but are all over the place sonically. You can't got wrong with any of these, you're definitely going to have to start narrowing in on what you prefer sound wise. |
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Post by Tbone81 on Jun 25, 2024 20:38:44 GMT -6
Narrowing it down. Heiserman Type 19 - $999 Gefell MT71S - $925 UT FET 47 - $900 TLM-107 - $950 Vanguard V-13 Tube-$900 The Gefell may be a bit bright for my tastes.. I know the proximity effect would be beneficial, but it seems that wouldn’t suit “utility” as much as i’d like. The 47 seems very stylized, and probably not as rich as an actual U47.. don’t know. So I would say my strongest contenders now are the TLM-107, V-13, and the Type 19 My vote would be for the Gefell. I wouldn’t consider it a bright mic at all. I hear it as incredibly “un-hyped” and neutral, and in the best possible way. It’s not at all boring or sterile, just honest to the source. I bet the heiserman type 19 is great too, just never heard one in person. |
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Post by chessparov on Jun 25, 2024 20:45:06 GMT -6
No expert here. But... Am more of a fan of the U47 FET here than some.  More later.  |
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Post by mrcel0 on Jun 25, 2024 20:46:25 GMT -6
Not sure why Serrano 87 is not on your list given what everyone thinks of it - it screams "workhorse" Cheers, Ross You’re absolutely right, I will look into it, I guess I just preferred the sound of the 67 and 47 to the 87, I know it’s pretty much the definition of “workhorse” but I maybe should have used different terms such as “neutral” and not overly bright, more warm and full bodied, something that I can shape afterwards instead of being cornered with an already bright vocal. All that to say i’m not necessarily chasing the 87 sound at this moment (will probably add to my list) |
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Post by ericn on Jun 25, 2024 20:50:17 GMT -6
You really need to find a way too hear them, either via a dealer with a liberal return policy, renting them or buying and selling used, otherwise your just pissing in the wind.
Remember the sound your hearing in samples is going to be voice’s you have never been in the room with, through someone else’s pre choice, position & what ever Codec the host site is using.
Yes my posts about being able to pretty much use Vincent and JK as references and being able to judge mics based on their voice’s contradicts this a bit BUT, I have used a number of mic both have sampled over the past 40 years & I have stood 3 feet from our leader as he sang so I can use them as decent references.
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Post by doubledog on Jun 25, 2024 20:52:35 GMT -6
Not sure why Serrano 87 is not on your list given what everyone thinks of it - it screams "workhorse" Cheers, Ross You’re absolutely right, I will look into it, I guess I just preferred the sound of the 67 and 47 to the 87, I know it’s pretty much the definition of “workhorse” but I maybe should have used different terms such as “neutral” and not overly bright, more warm and full bodied, something that I can shape afterwards instead of being cornered with an already bright vocal. All that to say i’m not necessarily chasing the 87 sound at this moment To me the Chandler is very well balanced. not bright and not dark. in a couple weeks I'll have another album I can link to (an acoustic singer/songwriter) that is every vocal track. just waiting for him to release it! this one was lead guitar (amp), fiddle, pedal steel (edit: - sorry, forgot, lead vocal was a TM-1 on this one) |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 25, 2024 21:44:44 GMT -6
I hate the U47 FET. Ive used two vintage ones and it wasn't anywhere near the quality of the Blackspade UM-17R I had at that time. There's a reason it became the go-to kick drum mic! The U87 type is way better as a workhorse and an excellent vocal mic.
One overlooked mic here is the Roswell Delphos. I only had it for a week to try, but it was damn good, U87-ish and it did everything well, vocals, guitars, etc.
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Post by knucklehead89 on Jun 26, 2024 4:46:14 GMT -6
Heiserman Type 19 is hands down one of my favorite microphones but it has a 47 type capsule in it and I’m not sure a 47 style capsule would be considered work horse. Meaning I’m not sure how everything would stack up if you used this on everything on a track. But I do absolutely LOVE the microphone.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 26, 2024 8:58:04 GMT -6
I hate the U47 FET. Ive used two vintage ones and it wasn't anywhere near the quality of the Blackspade UM-17R I had at that time. There's a reason it became the go-to kick drum mic! The U87 type is way better as a workhorse and an excellent vocal mic. One overlooked mic here is the Roswell Delphos. I only had it for a week to try, but it was damn good, U87-ish and it did everything well, vocals, guitars, etc. I like the UT clone of this for a couple reasons. First was that I have a very sibilant voice and this thing picked up almost zero "esses" for me which for certain songs is a lifesaver. I know I can try to remove them later, but it's nice to be able to sing a song without a sonic reminder hissing in my ear telling me how much cleanup I'm going to have to do later! The other reason is that in a "band in the room" scenario it had off-axis rejection that rivaled any other mic in my locker. I'm still mostly using it for kick and guitar cabs, but I don't hesitate to throw it on a vocal when I've got a sibilant heavy lyric or just want a different flavor. I would not call it a workhorse though, not by any stretch. |
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Post by chessparov on Jun 26, 2024 9:11:20 GMT -6
Yes. IMHO not quite a Workhorse. Unless your recording needs are somewhat narrower. But... Can't imagine not having this Style, in my mini-arsenal. Sometimes for certain "voices" (including my own-especially Character Voices) it comes in very handy. I tend to agree again with Neumann's own Marketing. Always worth a try on Crooners/Screamers. Great try on Hard Rock Singers and the Sibilant. (Hey that's a good TV Soap Opera title!) |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 26, 2024 9:37:39 GMT -6
Yes. IMHO not quite a Workhorse. Unless your recording needs are somewhat narrower. But... Can't imagine not having this Style, in my mini-arsenal. Sometimes for certain "voices" (including my own-especially Character Voices) it comes in very handy. I tend to agree again with Neumann's own Marketing. Always worth a try on Crooners/Screamers. Great try on Hard Rock singers and the Sibilant. (Hey that's a good TV Soap Opera title!) Or a Bruce Springsteen record. "Hard Rock Singers And The Sibilant" |
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Post by bossanova on Jun 26, 2024 9:48:43 GMT -6
Yes. IMHO not quite a Workhorse. Unless your recording needs are somewhat narrower. But... Can't imagine not having this Style, in my mini-arsenal. Sometimes for certain "voices" (including my own-especially Character Voices) it comes in very handy. I tend to agree again with Neumann's own Marketing. Always worth a try on Crooners/Screamers. Great try on Hard Rock singers and the Sibilant. (Hey that's a good TV Soap Opera title!) Or a Bruce Springsteen record. "Hard Rock Singers And The Sibilant" Through research I have put together that Bruce was on an 87 for at least part of *Born to Run* (footage from tracking "Jungleland"), some or all of *The River*, and at least the title track of "Born In the USA". On the latter, Bob Clearmountain has talked about having to deal with sibilance from Bruce being close miked while playing guitar in the vocal booth. |
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Post by bossanova on Jun 26, 2024 9:52:13 GMT -6
Not sure why Serrano 87 is not on your list given what everyone thinks of it - it screams "workhorse" Cheers, Ross You’re absolutely right, I will look into it, I guess I just preferred the sound of the 67 and 47 to the 87, I know it’s pretty much the definition of “workhorse” but I maybe should have used different terms such as “neutral” and not overly bright, more warm and full bodied, something that I can shape afterwards instead of being cornered with an already bright vocal. All that to say i’m not necessarily chasing the 87 sound at this moment (will probably add to my list) The way Carlos voices the Serrano 87 is darker than modern production 87s, and you can request an even darker voicing from him when you order. He builds and tunes them by hand. |
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Post by Ward on Jun 26, 2024 10:18:13 GMT -6
What if you're looking to avoid a 414 BULS? If so, that would be a very creative, intelligent, smart, and sonically superior move!!! Not that I'm biased or anything.....  so...It's the Sm7b of the AKG lineage? |
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Post by notneeson on Jun 26, 2024 10:38:17 GMT -6
You’re absolutely right, I will look into it, I guess I just preferred the sound of the 67 and 47 to the 87, I know it’s pretty much the definition of “workhorse” but I maybe should have used different terms such as “neutral” and not overly bright, more warm and full bodied, something that I can shape afterwards instead of being cornered with an already bright vocal. All that to say i’m not necessarily chasing the 87 sound at this moment (will probably add to my list) The way Carlos voices the Serrano 87 is darker than modern production 87s, and you can request an even darker voicing from him when you order. He builds and tunes them by hand. Get a Serrano or save up for a Beesneez 67. |
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Post by Ward on Jun 26, 2024 10:41:55 GMT -6
If so, that would be a very creative, intelligent, smart, and sonically superior move!!! Not that I'm biased or anything..... so...It's the Sm7b of the AKG lineage? Quoting myself only to add this . . . In short, to me, A BULS sounds like an original with a felt bag over it. And there are other less flattering differences. I hated mine with the teflon capsule in it. |
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Post by chessparov on Jun 26, 2024 10:41:55 GMT -6
I'd still put UT and Beesneez right up there too on 87 styles. A plus is Carlos/Chad/Ben are all "nice guys" too! BTW of course my personal lean is... Vintage-ish 87 tone (within 87 style)!! P.S. Gee maybe it's good I didn't get my Buddy's B-ULS. |
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Post by Ward on Jun 26, 2024 11:03:33 GMT -6
I'd still put UT and Beesneez right up there too on 87 styles. A plus is Carlos/Chad/Ben are all "nice guys" too! BTW of course my personal lean is... Vintage-ish 87 tone (within 87 style)!! P.S. Gee maybe it's good I didn't get my Buddy's B-ULS. You're only saying all that because it's true. |
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Post by ericn on Jun 26, 2024 11:10:55 GMT -6
I'd still put UT and Beesneez right up there too on 87 styles. A plus is Carlos/Chad/Ben are all "nice guys" too! BTW of course my personal lean is... Vintage-ish 87 tone (within 87 style)!! P.S. Gee maybe it's good I didn't get my Buddy's B-ULS. You're only saying all that because it's true. & all 3 will be willing to work with you, You and I both know some of the top people at Senn-mann, think we can get Tweaked 87 capsule ? Well if we spend even more & get in line to have Klaus do his magic. |
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Post by chessparov on Jun 26, 2024 12:13:53 GMT -6
That's strictly Klausified though Eric.
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Post by ericn on Jun 26, 2024 12:31:21 GMT -6
That's strictly Klausified though Eric. In Heyne-sight, that would be correct. |
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Post by drumsound on Jun 26, 2024 13:28:55 GMT -6
You’re absolutely right, I will look into it, I guess I just preferred the sound of the 67 and 47 to the 87, I know it’s pretty much the definition of “workhorse” but I maybe should have used different terms such as “neutral” and not overly bright, more warm and full bodied, something that I can shape afterwards instead of being cornered with an already bright vocal. All that to say i’m not necessarily chasing the 87 sound at this moment To me the Chandler is very well balanced. not bright and not dark. in a couple weeks I'll have another album I can link to (an acoustic singer/songwriter) that is every vocal track. just waiting for him to release it! this one was lead guitar (amp), fiddle, pedal steel (edit: - sorry, forgot, lead vocal was a TM-1 on this one) Nice work, Mike. |
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Post by drbill on Jun 26, 2024 13:32:09 GMT -6
If so, that would be a very creative, intelligent, smart, and sonically superior move!!! Not that I'm biased or anything..... so...It's the Sm7b of the AKG lineage? Haha!! Maybe. But the SM7 is more useful than the 414B-ULS. |
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Post by drbill on Jun 26, 2024 13:36:48 GMT -6
P.S. Gee maybe it's good I didn't get my Buddy's B-ULS. Chris - you're too valuable of a person to have around to put you thru that much pain..... Glad you passed!! |
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Post by chessparov on Jun 26, 2024 16:17:46 GMT -6
I haven't got time for T-Pain!
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