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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 24, 2024 19:24:38 GMT -6
I did this at home with the Soyuz 0-19. It's called the 0-17 FET now. Have a listen, I think it might be a good fit for you if you can find one used.
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Post by ab101 on Jun 24, 2024 19:31:31 GMT -6
Love Ben's C12a tube mics. For less money, I would check on Ben's non-tube version.
Gefell um70s, if in good shape, are super amazing. I have not tried the transformerless Gefells, but if it is the same capsule, it is likely amazing.
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Post by chessparov on Jun 24, 2024 19:40:07 GMT -6
In addition to the 87 Serrano...
UT and the Beesneez versions are well regarded also.
Chris
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Post by drbill on Jun 24, 2024 19:54:56 GMT -6
In addition to the 87 Serrano... UT and the Beesneez versions are well regarded also. Chris Wait.......WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!? A serious post from Sir Chris?? One must for sure take this post with the most serious of intent!!!!!!!  |
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Post by andersmv on Jun 24, 2024 20:19:30 GMT -6
One could say, these mics are the knees of the bees Wait.......WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!? A serious post from Sir Chris?? One must for sure take this post with the most serious of intent!!!!!!! There, I fixed it for you.... |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 24, 2024 20:19:39 GMT -6
In addition to the 87 Serrano... UT and the Beesneez versions are well regarded also. Chris Wait.......WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!? A serious post from Sir Chris?? One must for sure take this post with the most serious of intent!!!!!!! Yeah Chris I'm missing the pun! |
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Post by ericn on Jun 24, 2024 20:53:19 GMT -6
In addition to the 87 Serrano... UT and the Beesneez versions are well regarded also. Chris Wait.......WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!? A serious post from Sir Chris?? One must for sure take this post with the most serious of intent!!!!!!! It happens, I know its scary but it happens 😁 |
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Post by chessparov on Jun 24, 2024 22:02:27 GMT -6
A new Australian film version of the classic "Frankenstein" is being made. The Singer for it's Theme Song... Rihanna mate!  Chris P.S. Not to worry. Tons of more jokes written and saved at home. Out back. |
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Post by svart on Jun 25, 2024 7:18:25 GMT -6
Gefell M930, hands down.
You can get them right around 1K if you look around a little.
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Post by Ward on Jun 25, 2024 10:32:49 GMT -6
You can't find a better all-rounder, workhorse than a U87 or a KM84, And under $1000? If cserrano or mics can't help you, God help you. |
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Post by mrcel0 on Jun 25, 2024 12:30:02 GMT -6
Current list of mics that I am now considering and prices I have found them for:
- C414 B-ULS $800
- TLM-107 $950
- Hesierman Type 19 $999
- Gefell MT71S $925
- OC818 $950
- UT FET 47 $900
- Chandler Type L $789
- Vanguard V4 GEN 2 $700
Some of these may not fit the “workhorse” category but I find them to provide something sonically desirable over my current XLS.
Wish I could demo them all but even VK doesn’t have them all at once and suggested I buy them each at a time, then return what I don’t like. Sounds tedious, time consuming, and like a lot of money.
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Post by ab101 on Jun 25, 2024 12:34:12 GMT -6
The AT 4050 mics are sort of a workhorse mic. Not unbelievably great on anything, but sounds good on most sources and rarely bad. However, when I had my pair of 4050s, they got knocked out by my pair of Gefell UM70s.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 25, 2024 12:48:19 GMT -6
Current list of mics that I am now considering and prices I have found them for: - C414 B-ULS $800 - TLM-107 $950 - Hesierman Type 19 $999 - Gefell MT71S $925 - OC818 $950 - UT FET 47 $900 - Chandler Type L $789 - Vanguard V4 GEN 2 $700 Some of these may not fit the “workhorse” category but I find them to provide something sonically desirable over my current XLS. Wish I could demo them all but even VK doesn’t have them all at once and suggested I buy them each at a time, then return what I don’t like. Sounds tedious, time consuming, and like a lot of money. I have the UT Fet 47. Sounds great on vocals IMO and "ohhhh... now I get why this is a thing" amazing on kick. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 25, 2024 12:51:37 GMT -6
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Post by ericn on Jun 25, 2024 12:58:25 GMT -6
Current list of mics that I am now considering and prices I have found them for: - C414 B-ULS $800 - TLM-107 $950 - Hesierman Type 19 $999 - Gefell MT71S $925 - OC818 $950 - UT FET 47 $900 - Chandler Type L $789 - Vanguard V4 GEN 2 $700 Some of these may not fit the “workhorse” category but I find them to provide something sonically desirable over my current XLS. Wish I could demo them all but even VK doesn’t have them all at once and suggested I buy them each at a time, then return what I don’t like. Sounds tedious, time consuming, and like a lot of money. The former gear pimp in me is coming out here The uls isn’t going to be that different from your xls, but it’s a classic. The Neumann TLM’s any with a 10x are really overrated price point mics trying to live one the rep of the classics. IF I want the sound of a classic Neumann for under a $1K it’s going to be the following The Gefell MT71s it’s the classic M7 capsule The Gefell 930, a modern Neumann If I wanted a u87 I would grab the Beesneez, Ben is going to give you the quality of the original with the support of a much higher priced mic. The United FET is damn good for the $ but, if you are going for a 47 FET, for $1500 ( yeah over budget) the Lawson gets you entry into a system FET / tube 47/251. And 10 day trial! Some others to consider Sony C38’s seam to be around 1K used these days, yeah it’s all about condition but it is a classic FET mic. Griffon GMT12 a FET C12 that Hudsonic likes. I really want to try one. Dirt cheap sub $500 used Sony C80. |
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Post by bossanova on Jun 25, 2024 13:28:57 GMT -6
The AT 4050 mics are sort of a workhorse mic. Not unbelievably great on anything, but sounds good on most sources and rarely bad. However, when I had my paid of 4050s, they got knocked out by my pair of Gefell UM70s. The 4050 is the only name-brand mic I've ever used (I rented one for a period because I was thinking of buying one) that really didn't do anything for me, at least on vocals. I might have gotten a bad one, but it got crossed off my list after that. |
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Post by kbsmoove on Jun 25, 2024 19:14:27 GMT -6
The 4050 is the only name-brand mic I've ever used (I rented one for a period because I was thinking of buying one) that really didn't do anything for me, at least on vocals. I might have gotten a bad one, but it got crossed off my list after that. i feel this way about every AT condenser i've heard. |
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Post by mrcel0 on Jun 25, 2024 19:35:47 GMT -6
Narrowing it down.
Heiserman Type 19 - $999
Gefell MT71S - $925
UT FET 47 - $900
TLM-107 - $950
Vanguard V-13 Tube-$900
The Gefell may be a bit bright for my tastes.. I know the proximity effect would be beneficial, but it seems that wouldn’t suit “utility” as much as i’d like.
The 47 seems very stylized, and probably not as rich as an actual U47.. don’t know. So I would say my strongest contenders now are the TLM-107, V-13, and the Type 19
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Post by Ward on Jun 25, 2024 20:07:06 GMT -6
Also if you're looking at this C414 B-ULS on eBay What if you're looking to avoid a 414 BULS? |
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Post by drbill on Jun 25, 2024 20:16:04 GMT -6
What if you're looking to avoid a 414 BULS? If so, that would be a very creative, intelligent, smart, and sonically superior move!!! Not that I'm biased or anything..... |
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Post by reddirt on Jun 25, 2024 20:17:41 GMT -6
Not sure why Serrano 87 is not on your list given what everyone thinks of it - it screams "workhorse"
Cheers, Ross
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Post by doubledog on Jun 25, 2024 20:18:42 GMT -6
Narrowing it down. Heiserman Type 19 - $999 Gefell MT71S - $925 UT FET 47 - $900 TLM-107 - $950 Vanguard V-13 Tube-$900 The Gefell may be a bit bright for my tastes.. I know the proximity effect would be beneficial, but it seems that wouldn’t suit “utility” as much as i’d like. The 47 seems very stylized, and probably not as rich as an actual U47.. don’t know. So I would say my strongest contenders now are the TLM-107, V-13, and the Type 19 you say you want a workhorse mic. surprised you removed the Chandler. It's new, so maybe not that many reviews. I've used it on vocal, acoustic guitar, fiddle, pedal steel (amp), hand percussion, congas, electric guitar (amp), drum room mic. Probably more that I'm not remembering right now. it worked great on everything so far. honestly nothing where I wished I had used a different mic. I only have a single right now (so did not try ovhds). The Tape Op reviewer (most recent issue) tried different sources yet. I have a pair of 414b-ULS as well. I like them on some vocals, sometimes acoustic guitar, drum overheads (definitely) but I've been pulling out the Chandler more often than those. my $0.02 |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 25, 2024 20:29:36 GMT -6
Also if you're looking at this C414 B-ULS on eBay What if you're looking to avoid a 414 BULS? Well then this beat up 414 BULS would be a great purchase... although there are probably cheaper ways to not use one. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Jun 25, 2024 20:31:00 GMT -6
Grab a used Lauten Atlantis. 3 voicings make it incredibly versatile.
Also, the ADK TFET series are really nice, but you should know the sound you’re after before picking one. The 67 is probably the most general use.
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Post by mrcel0 on Jun 25, 2024 20:32:48 GMT -6
Narrowing it down. Heiserman Type 19 - $999 Gefell MT71S - $925 UT FET 47 - $900 TLM-107 - $950 Vanguard V-13 Tube-$900 The Gefell may be a bit bright for my tastes.. I know the proximity effect would be beneficial, but it seems that wouldn’t suit “utility” as much as i’d like. The 47 seems very stylized, and probably not as rich as an actual U47.. don’t know. So I would say my strongest contenders now are the TLM-107, V-13, and the Type 19 you say you want a workhorse mic. surprised you removed the Chandler. It's new, so maybe not that many reviews. I've used it on vocal, acoustic guitar, fiddle, pedal steel (amp), hand percussion, congas, electric guitar (amp), drum room mic. Probably more that I'm not remembering right now. it worked great on everything so far. honestly nothing where I wished I had used a different mic. I only have a single right now (so did not try ovhds). The Tape Op reviewer (most recent issue) tried different sources yet. I have a pair of 414b-ULS as well. I like them on some vocals, sometimes acoustic guitar, drum overheads (definitely) but I've been pulling out the Chandler more often than those. my $0.02 It’s definitely one of the top mics on my list still, and this is not final, I’ve only seen one review where I slightly preferred the Heiserman Type 19 to the Chandler, It sounded a bit more pleasing and fuller to my ear probably could have just been for that specific example so I shouldn’t write it off. Also I feel at this level these mics it starts to come down to taste and not so much which is actually better. |
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