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Post by Tbone81 on Jun 18, 2024 17:15:22 GMT -6
So here's the thing I wanna ask you guys... I still have about 60 amps here at my joint, and I'm running, 2 x Rivera Rock Crushers for loading, and or lowering the outputs of the amps down a bit, and I also have 2 x custom made ISO boxes that are my main speaker cabs. All good. Visiting players, pick an amp, get their sounds in a few minutes at most, and we're ready to. But that said, I'm considering purchasing 2 x Modelers for the guitarists that come here to record, but I am wondering if the Fractal stuff will be way beyond a visiting player to comprehend? Not sure if they would be able to dial in a sound quick enough, without freaking out? And the start of a recording session isn't really the time to start teaching the unit to a guitarist? I also think the almost limitless choices, might not be a good thing in this scenario? Purchasing two of the Fractals is a big deal, I'm wondering if this makes any sense in my studio? I'm thinking something like the UA Pedals,(Iridium / Simplifier) might make more sense, since they might be a bit more familiar to the musicians kinda what they already know? So I guess, I'm asking, do any of you have a Fractal setup for visiting players to use, and set up on their own, without you doing all the tweaking and setting of the sounds? Can they get around it by themselves? Controlling all the parameters from the front face buttons is maddening. You’ll have a more enjoyable time smashing your head against the wall. You really need to edit the patches via the USB connection to a computer. Ime you would need to tweak the patches yourself, but once you have a stable of nice presets the only real tweaking that needs to be done is changing EQ, Gain etc. So basically the same things you’d tweak on a real amp. I should mention that the digital parameters don’t match the real life counterparts very well…for example, changing mic positions on the cabinet sims makes any patch sound like a completely different amp. But changing tube types and bias yields very subtle results. So you kinda have to divorce yourself from what you think each control is going to do. That said, gain, eq etc are pretty much mostly the same. |
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Post by Tbone81 on Jun 18, 2024 17:21:43 GMT -6
Again - I don’t think anyone is saying the axe is better than the real thing. I’d much rather have a 64 Vibtoverb, 61 AC-30, 54 Delixe Tweed… I’ll go out on a limb and say it’s kinda better than the real thing…ok don’t kill me guys…but what I’m saying is there is definitely an overlap. The best axe Fx patch is going to sound better than most mediocre to good real amp setups. BUT, if you got a killer amp, know how to mic it properly, etc etc, then yeah, give me the real thing. Also there’s the added benefit of not having to change or bias tubes, deal with RFI, way less noise, consistency in sound etc. Not saying I don’t love the real thing, I mean my Marshall jmp give me goosebumps. But I’m not buying any more real amps…probably. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 18, 2024 17:24:53 GMT -6
"One minute...this is infinitely quicker than other modelers for me...and I don't have to bend over to twist the knobs. 🤷🏻♂️" John, but that's exactly my question, FOR YOU~! What about cats coming in to my joint to play, and NO, they are not all studio guys. My new place here is set up for new and aspiring artists, so I doubt many of them will have ever have had any experience with these devices? I'm sure, I can get comfortable with the gear, as I did with everything in my place, but like I said, I DON'T wanna be the guy showing them what to do, or how to set the thing up. The more immediate the session, the better, I was just trying to figure out how to eliminate more leakage, on certain sessions. Normally when a guitarist see all the usually suspects, they plug in, tweak a few knobs and get going. No big deal. It's all familiar! My fear is this stuff is too complicated for the everyday Joe to handle. Although I do love the concept, and if were just for me, like it is at your place, then it's literally a no brainer! I mean - it’s more complicated than twisting a knob on an amp…but switching between a dumble, Vox, Hiwatt, Twin, etc takes all of 6 seconds as compared to breaking that shit down and putting it back up. So - plusses and minuses. As far as what a guitarist would see when they got there - I’d assume you’d have it booted up and running. He’d be in the control room with you and it’s just a matter of looking at the computer screen selecting amp and cab and then twisting the virtual knobs. Now - if you’re talking about throwing one out on the floor with them and they’ve never used one - yeah…that would be more difficult than twisting knobs on a head. There’s a learning curve - but it’s not difficult IF you’re using the Axe Edit software. The front panel is tweaky and not intuitive if you ask me. But that wouldn’t be much different than someone coming in and using someone else’s analog amps and pedal board - learning curve there too. So that would be my answer - if it’s something you can dial in with them, it’s quick. If it’s something you want them to do, and they’re not familiar, it would be slower than real amps. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 18, 2024 17:28:00 GMT -6
So here's the thing I wanna ask you guys... I still have about 60 amps here at my joint, and I'm running, 2 x Rivera Rock Crushers for loading, and or lowering the outputs of the amps down a bit, and I also have 2 x custom made ISO boxes that are my main speaker cabs. All good. Visiting players, pick an amp, get their sounds in a few minutes at most, and we're ready to. But that said, I'm considering purchasing 2 x Modelers for the guitarists that come here to record, but I am wondering if the Fractal stuff will be way beyond a visiting player to comprehend? Not sure if they would be able to dial in a sound quick enough, without freaking out? And the start of a recording session isn't really the time to start teaching the unit to a guitarist? I also think the almost limitless choices, might not be a good thing in this scenario? Purchasing two of the Fractals is a big deal, I'm wondering if this makes any sense in my studio? I'm thinking something like the UA Pedals,(Iridium / Simplifier) might make more sense, since they might be a bit more familiar to the musicians kinda what they already know? So I guess, I'm asking, do any of you have a Fractal setup for visiting players to use, and set up on their own, without you doing all the tweaking and setting of the sounds? Can they get around it by themselves? Controlling all the parameters from the front face buttons is maddening. You’ll have a more enjoyable time smashing your head against the wall. You really need to edit the patches via the USB connection to a computer. Ime you would need to tweak the patches yourself, but once you have a stable of nice presets the only real tweaking that needs to be done is changing EQ, Gain etc. So basically the same things you’d tweak on a real amp. I should mention that the digital parameters don’t match the real life counterparts very well…for example, changing mic positions on the cabinet sims makes any patch sound like a completely different amp. But changing tube types and bias yields very subtle results. So you kinda have to divorce yourself from what you think each control is going to do. That said, gain, eq etc are pretty much mostly the same. I haven’t used the Dynacabs all that much because I don’t think they sound as good. So I stick with the IRs. (Yeah, I know, they’re IRs…but you know what I mean). Oh - or are you saying “makes it sound like a completely different cab” in a good way or a bad way? |
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Post by Tbone81 on Jun 18, 2024 18:21:32 GMT -6
Controlling all the parameters from the front face buttons is maddening. You’ll have a more enjoyable time smashing your head against the wall. You really need to edit the patches via the USB connection to a computer. Ime you would need to tweak the patches yourself, but once you have a stable of nice presets the only real tweaking that needs to be done is changing EQ, Gain etc. So basically the same things you’d tweak on a real amp. I should mention that the digital parameters don’t match the real life counterparts very well…for example, changing mic positions on the cabinet sims makes any patch sound like a completely different amp. But changing tube types and bias yields very subtle results. So you kinda have to divorce yourself from what you think each control is going to do. That said, gain, eq etc are pretty much mostly the same. I haven’t used the Dynacabs all that much because I don’t think they sound as good. So I stick with the IRs. (Yeah, I know, they’re IRs…but you know what I mean). Oh - or are you saying “makes it sound like a completely different cab” in a good way or a bad way? I should be more clear…I don’t really use the dynacabs, I tried them for 30 seconds, they sounded weird to me so I went back to the Factory IR’s. What I’m referring to is that there are factory cabs that are identical other than mic positions, like “Marshal 4x12 57 cone” vs “Marshal 4x12 57 cap”, and they sound very different. Way more than in real life. Ime it’s pretty exaggerated, makes it sound like an entire other amp. |
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Post by wiz on Jun 18, 2024 18:51:35 GMT -6
Okay had this thing here for a week...and have been playing the FM3 MkII Turbo, pretty much exclusively and watching YouTube videos searching forums etc. It cost me 25something hundred dollars here in Oz... there was no bargaining to be had.. the price was the price. That seems to be the deal everywhere... I respect that. The FM3 is quite a small form factor and sits at the end of my desk. I have it hooked up going into my apollo via spdif. I tried its audio outs.. and determined the spdif was a bit better...not super big diff.. but enough and I have the Ins on the apollo so why not? One of the main deal breaker things I had to have out of this thing was the ability to reamp, whilst using LUNA. Luna doesnt have external hardware capability as yet..and I needed to be able to do reamping successfully. The other thing was it had to sound... waaaayyyyyyyy better...... than the things I already have. Amplitube Tonex Neural DSP Tone King Helix Native. Logic Amp plugins UAD tweed 55 UAD plexi classic or something.. The last thing was it had to be good editing and obtaining the sounds. At its price, it had to justify those to stay. Fractal here in Oz and I think around the globe give a 15 day return. Which has been enough time I think. Been hitting it pretty hard. Did I mention it's a lot of money? 8) Okay. You guys know the guitar sounds I go for.. if you don't.. think Americana, Folk, Singer songwriter....not high gain chug stuff.. so bear that in mind if that is your bag. I have owned a lot of amps... Toneking Imperial,AC30, Marshall JTM, Hi Watt, Princetons, Twins etc with varying load boxes I have also owned a lot of modellers.... ME5, ADA , POD PRO, BE5, GT5, Helix LT, Quadraverb GT, Katana I am sure I am forgetting some but you get the idea. Okay... so get on with it Wiz...8) Sounds great, feels great under the fingers in a way I have never experience with any modeller or software before...feels like playing an amp in a lot of ways. Takes my guitars well, Strats, tele, LPs, Baritones, PRS etc The editor is brilliant and laid out better than any other I have used...very logical and flexible. The effects in it I have used so far have been outstanding. Some of the verbs could easily be used across a mix. ReampingThis wasn't an easy process for me....now most of that is down to how I have to use it with LUNA (no external hardware ping stuff)... and the fact that I do not want to monitor off the FM3 for my studio monitors... I want them to stay with the apollo. I want to be able to even at the end of a mix, with all my plugins running in the project... be able to over dub a guitar part in...latency not being an issue, and then be able to reamp that part and adjust the FM3 whilst listening to the final mix. I achieved that in the end and it works great. I did however need to use an extra bit of gear... let me explain. I use a JOYO reamp box Joyo Reamp Box LinkThis is quite an inexpensive and very good. I used to have Radial JDI and Reamp box.. I got this and sold off the others... The JOYO output is connected to the mic input of my Apollo 8X (it needs phantom power) This records the DRY DI signal. The THRU of the JOYO goes to the input of the FM3.. the output of the FM3, SPDIF, goes to the SPDIF IN of my Apollo... this is the wet signal. So this is how I track. Should I need to remap... I simply take LINE OUTPUT 1 of my Apollo to the combo connector on the JOYO Reamp Input and take the reamp output and plug it into the input of the FM3. Then I send the previously recorded DI track, to Line Out 1, and set up another new track, set its inputs to SPDIF IN on the Apollo and bingo bango bongo Irving....all is well with the universe. Sound and FeelAfter noodling around with presets ... I decided the best way for me was to create some standard stuff...and this is what really sold me. There is a grid editor... you drag blocks of what you want , to a spot on the grid... watch a YouTube video to get the idea... rather than me type. So I created simple Input > Compressor > Drive > Amp > Cab > Reverb set up. Turned off the comp and drive blocks and put basic amps and cabs together. The Fender stuff is divine. They are the style of amps I am most familiar with. Then I did Vox, really great as ell, lastly Marshall.. which TBH I am still struggling with but that says more about me than the AXE as I have always struggled with Marshal amps in real life... then Hi Watt .... Within about 30 mins I was able to get the basic amp sounds I would go far without a real hitch. Then I started to play with the compressor and drive blocks and delay effects etc ...all great. After about a week my biggest dilemma has not been whether to keep it, but whether to return It and get the bigger FM9 or AXE FX 3.....whilst I have the return period open.....it's just sooooo much money...its twice the price the the AXEFX 3 than the FM3 with the FM9 being exactly in the middle. I think I have decided to just keep the FM3... its essentially the same sound...different processing size and would most likely be overkill for what I do..given the cost. So in summary....it's great... Johnkenn was right. cheers Wiz |
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Post by wiz on Jun 18, 2024 18:55:46 GMT -6
I should add
editing from the panel on the unit blows chunks ... its a must to edit with the software.
and...... the thing about tonex is...its a static picture..its an amp at one set of settings...and the adjustments it did have were pointless... I could never really get anything to gel the way I wanted...this is not like that
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 18, 2024 19:35:29 GMT -6
Okay had this thing here for a week...and have been playing the FM3 MkII Turbo, pretty much exclusively and watching YouTube videos searching forums etc. It cost me 25something hundred dollars here in Oz... there was no bargaining to be had.. the price was the price. That seems to be the deal everywhere... I respect that. The FM3 is quite a small form factor and sits at the end of my desk. I have it hooked up going into my apollo via spdif. I tried its audio outs.. and determined the spdif was a bit better...not super big diff.. but enough and I have the Ins on the apollo so why not? One of the main deal breaker things I had to have out of this thing was the ability to reamp, whilst using LUNA. Luna doesnt have external hardware capability as yet..and I needed to be able to do reamping successfully. The other thing was it had to sound... waaaayyyyyyyy better...... than the things I already have. Amplitube Tonex Neural DSP Tone King Helix Native. Logic Amp plugins UAD tweed 55 UAD plexi classic or something.. The last thing was it had to be good editing and obtaining the sounds. At its price, it had to justify those to stay. Fractal here in Oz and I think around the globe give a 15 day return. Which has been enough time I think. Been hitting it pretty hard. Did I mention it's a lot of money? 8) Okay. You guys know the guitar sounds I go for.. if you don't.. think Americana, Folk, Singer songwriter....not high gain chug stuff.. so bear that in mind if that is your bag. I have owned a lot of amps... Toneking Imperial,AC30, Marshall JTM, Hi Watt, Princetons, Twins etc with varying load boxes I have also owned a lot of modellers.... ME5, ADA , POD PRO, BE5, GT5, Helix LT, Quadraverb GT, Katana I am sure I am forgetting some but you get the idea. Okay... so get on with it Wiz...8) Sounds great, feels great under the fingers in a way I have never experience with any modeller or software before...feels like playing an amp in a lot of ways. Takes my guitars well, Strats, tele, LPs, Baritones, PRS etc The editor is brilliant and laid out better than any other I have used...very logical and flexible. The effects in it I have used so far have been outstanding. Some of the verbs could easily be used across a mix. ReampingThis wasn't an easy process for me....now most of that is down to how I have to use it with LUNA (no external hardware ping stuff)... and the fact that I do not want to monitor off the FM3 for my studio monitors... I want them to stay with the apollo. I want to be able to even at the end of a mix, with all my plugins running in the project... be able to over dub a guitar part in...latency not being an issue, and then be able to reamp that part and adjust the FM3 whilst listening to the final mix. I achieved that in the end and it works great. I did however need to use an extra bit of gear... let me explain. I use a JOYO reamp box Joyo Reamp Box LinkThis is quite an inexpensive and very good. I used to have Radial JDI and Reamp box.. I got this and sold off the others... The JOYO output is connected to the mic input of my Apollo 8X (it needs phantom power) This records the DRY DI signal. The THRU of the JOYO goes to the input of the FM3.. the output of the FM3, SPDIF, goes to the SPDIF IN of my Apollo... this is the wet signal. So this is how I track. Should I need to remap... I simply take LINE OUTPUT 1 of my Apollo to the combo connector on the JOYO Reamp Input and take the reamp output and plug it into the input of the FM3. Then I send the previously recorded DI track, to Line Out 1, and set up another new track, set its inputs to SPDIF IN on the Apollo and bingo bango bongo Irving....all is well with the universe. Sound and FeelAfter noodling around with presets ... I decided the best way for me was to create some standard stuff...and this is what really sold me. There is a grid editor... you drag blocks of what you want , to a spot on the grid... watch a YouTube video to get the idea... rather than me type. So I created simple Input > Compressor > Drive > Amp > Cab > Reverb set up. Turned off the comp and drive blocks and put basic amps and cabs together. The Fender stuff is divine. They are the style of amps I am most familiar with. Then I did Vox, really great as ell, lastly Marshall.. which TBH I am still struggling with but that says more about me than the AXE as I have always struggled with Marshal amps in real life... then Hi Watt .... Within about 30 mins I was able to get the basic amp sounds I would go far without a real hitch. Then I started to play with the compressor and drive blocks and delay effects etc ...all great. After about a week my biggest dilemma has not been whether to keep it, but whether to return It and get the bigger FM9 or AXE FX 3.....whilst I have the return period open.....it's just sooooo much money...its twice the price the the AXEFX 3 than the FM3 with the FM9 being exactly in the middle. I think I have decided to just keep the FM3... its essentially the same sound...different processing size and would most likely be overkill for what I do..given the cost. So in summary....it's great... Johnkenn was right. cheers Wiz Thank God. I was getting nervous lol |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 18, 2024 19:51:13 GMT -6
I should add editing from the panel on the unit blows chunks ... its a must to edit with the software. and...... the thing about tonex is...its a static picture..its an amp at one set of settings...and the adjustments it did have were pointless... I could never really get anything to gel the way I wanted...this is not like that cheers Wiz Couldn’t agree more. Tonex sounds great at first blush…but just like Kemper (haven’t had one in years TBF) it all has a similar sound to me. With the Axe, the Princeton is drastically different than the Bassman. The Vibroverb and Vibrolux sound like Fenders but totally different…and on and on. It’s gotten more and more distinct with each FW too. Just thinking - the Vox AC-30, Morgan AC-20, Matchless DC-30, and several other variants of the same circuit - sound like distinctly different amps. In other modelers, seems like amps like that sound like the same amp with different EQ. wiz - Master Volume is your friend with the Marshalls. I wouldn’t think you’d ever have your MV over halfway…Dude - try the Brit 20 with like a 4x12 Pre-Rola cab. Master volume at 11 o clock. Input to taste. It’s just disgustingly good rock and roll. Some of my favorite amps that I think you’d like for your style… All the Fenders. I bet you’d love the Brownface Super. Don’t sleep on the Tweed Deluxe either. Difficult beast to dial in…but tones from our youth…use the standard non jumped version. Then crank the “normal gain” (one on the right) all the way clockwise…it makes the bright channel have less gain and more headroom. |
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Post by wiz on Jun 18, 2024 20:22:21 GMT -6
I should add editing from the panel on the unit blows chunks ... its a must to edit with the software. and...... the thing about tonex is...its a static picture..its an amp at one set of settings...and the adjustments it did have were pointless... I could never really get anything to gel the way I wanted...this is not like that cheers Wiz Couldn’t agree more. Tonex sounds great at first blush…but just like Kemper (haven’t had one in years TBF) it all has a similar sound to me. With the Axe, the Princeton is drastically different than the Bassman. The Vibroverb and Vibrolux sound like Fenders but totally different…and on and on. It’s gotten more and more distinct with each FW too. Just thinking - the Vox AC-30, Morgan AC-20, Matchless DC-30, and several other variants of the same circuit - sound like distinctly different amps. In other modelers, seems like amps like that sound like the same amp with different EQ. wiz - Master Volume is your friend with the Marshalls. I wouldn’t think you’d ever have your MV over halfway…Dude - try the Brit 20 with like a 4x12 Pre-Rola cab. Master volume at 11 o clock. Input to taste. It’s just disgustingly good rock and roll. Some of my favorite amps that I think you’d like for your style… All the Fenders. I bet you’d love the Brownface Super. Don’t sleep on the Tweed Deluxe either. Difficult beast to dial in…but tones from our youth…use the standard non jumped version. Then crank the “normal gain” (one on the right) all the way clockwise…it makes the bright channel have less gain and more headroom. thanks so much John... will try all of that. cheers Wiz |
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Post by patrickp on Jun 18, 2024 21:23:35 GMT -6
OK...here we go...There's like 12 of them, so they will cycle through or you can follow the link. https%3A//soundcloud.com/user-761067382/sets/axefx-iii-tour%3Fsi%3D2bebd513890f493da35bf856c8553746%26amp%3Butm_source%3Dclipboard%26amp%3Butm_medium%3Dtext%26amp%3Butm_campaign%3Dsocial_sharingReally nice playing and tone John! dont be hard on your self. the song choice was real nice.. got them all.lol but this one what is that song? I know it. but not sure soundcloud.com/user-761067382/ac30-brilliant-tele?in=user-761067382/sets/axefx-iii-tourthanks  |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 18, 2024 21:35:49 GMT -6
OK...here we go...There's like 12 of them, so they will cycle through or you can follow the link. https%3A//soundcloud.com/user-761067382/sets/axefx-iii-tour%3Fsi%3D2bebd513890f493da35bf856c8553746%26amp%3Butm_source%3Dclipboard%26amp%3Butm_medium%3Dtext%26amp%3Butm_campaign%3Dsocial_sharingReally nice playing and tone John! dont be hard on your self. the song choice was real nice.. got them all.lol but this one what is that song? I know it. but not sure soundcloud.com/user-761067382/ac30-brilliant-tele?in=user-761067382/sets/axefx-iii-tourthanks Thanks! Led Zeppelin- Ten Years Gone |
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Post by thehightenor on Jun 19, 2024 0:41:51 GMT -6
It sounds really good.
For me with guitar amp/ IR cab modelling it's the same difference (obvious really) between for example the Pulsar 1178 and a Audioscape hardware 1178.
It's really close to the real thing and in a mix there's no way the average punter would know or care whether it's a tube amp and analog pedals or a Fractal modeller
or a Pulsar 1178 or AS 1178 on the piano OH's etc.
Here in 2024 more than ever it's a game of inches.
The question I have is only for myself - do I care about the differences - some days I do, some days I don't!
It all comes down to where my focus is at that moment - drives me crazy.
I fired up my pedal board and Tone King Imperial MK2 last night and toyed with selling it all and getting a Fractal Axe III
financially it's a stupid idea as the Axe III in 5 years time will be outdated and worth 50% less and the hardware probably worth 50% more!
The ease of use, flexibility, tonal range and sound quality of the Axe FX III is undeniable.
But the physical feel of my analog pedal board and my tube amps is played into my bones from decades of recording that way - hard to let it go.
(I went through this with real drums vs Electronic drums and ended up using E Drums and making it work because I had to make the transition)
I think I'm going to have to save up and buy an Axe FX unit and run it as an additional unit and then see how much my hardware gets used
and if after a few years it's just collecting dust then it will be much easier to let it go.
Cool thread - it's been very enlightening.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 19, 2024 7:58:51 GMT -6
Yeah. I wouldn’t sell anything until I tried it out. But how long is the return period? I guess it really takes more than 15 days to really find out how something works in your workflow.
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Post by thehightenor on Jun 21, 2024 6:26:18 GMT -6
One more question for you Fractal fans.
As the Axe FX is software and the unit the computer to run it (like a UAD-2 card to UAD plugins) do you favour the Axe FX
because it has very low latency and plug and play access.
I mean, the Neural DSP amp sims are excellent (for example) so whats the advantage of the Axe over a VST amp sim plugin?
Low latency?
Workflow?
Do you record with FX or re-amp in post to add the FX?
Thanks
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 21, 2024 9:03:13 GMT -6
One more question for you Fractal fans. As the Axe FX is software and the unit the computer to run it (like a UAD-2 card to UAD plugins) do you favour the Axe FX because it has very low latency and plug and play access. I mean, the Neural DSP amp sims are excellent (for example) so whats the advantage of the Axe over a VST amp sim plugin? Low latency? Workflow? Do you record with FX or re-amp in post to add the FX? Thanks It sounds better. I mean, to me, that’s the bottom line. Once you try it, you’ll get it and wonder why you didn’t do it sooner. |
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Post by Tbone81 on Jun 21, 2024 9:32:47 GMT -6
One more question for you Fractal fans. As the Axe FX is software and the unit the computer to run it (like a UAD-2 card to UAD plugins) do you favour the Axe FX because it has very low latency and plug and play access. I mean, the Neural DSP amp sims are excellent (for example) so whats the advantage of the Axe over a VST amp sim plugin? Low latency? Workflow? Do you record with FX or re-amp in post to add the FX? Thanks For me its workflow. I love having a dedicated, zero latency box. Also, the Fx are so good that I’m starting to use it as an outboard Fx unit during mixdown. The verbs and delays sound great on vocals especially. |
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Post by thehightenor on Jun 21, 2024 12:07:02 GMT -6
One more question for you Fractal fans. As the Axe FX is software and the unit the computer to run it (like a UAD-2 card to UAD plugins) do you favour the Axe FX because it has very low latency and plug and play access. I mean, the Neural DSP amp sims are excellent (for example) so whats the advantage of the Axe over a VST amp sim plugin? Low latency? Workflow? Do you record with FX or re-amp in post to add the FX? Thanks For me its workflow. I love having a dedicated, zero latency box. Also, the Fx are so good that I’m starting to use it as an outboard Fx unit during mixdown. The verbs and delays sound great on vocals especially. I’ve been watching folk on YouTube running the whole kit and caboodle! Tube amp > Suhr RL > Axe FX III (I.R’s and FX) and analog pedals in the FX loop > AES > DAW!! (the routing on the Axe FX III is brilliant) It’s very impressive the sheer flexibility and then when you want an amp you don’t have ( I only have a couple of tube amps) you just dial one in inside the AXE FX III. I’m seriously impressed- the more I research the more I want one. I’ve started to be extra nice to Mrs Tenor |
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Post by Tbone81 on Jun 21, 2024 15:16:57 GMT -6
For me its workflow. I love having a dedicated, zero latency box. Also, the Fx are so good that I’m starting to use it as an outboard Fx unit during mixdown. The verbs and delays sound great on vocals especially. I’ve been watching folk on YouTube running the whole kit and caboodle! Tube amp > Suhr RL > Axe FX III (I.R’s and FX) and analog pedals in the FX loop > AES > DAW!! (the routing on the Axe FX III is brilliant) It’s very impressive the sheer flexibility and then when you want an amp you don’t have ( I only have a couple of tube amps) you just dial one in inside the AXE FX III. I’m seriously impressed- the more I research the more I want one. I’ve started to be extra nice to Mrs Tenor The routing is truly impressive, that’s what sold me on it vs the Kemper. You can have multiple inputs and outputs running on the same patch so you actually use it for 2-3 different instruments at the same time before you run out of dsp. It’s awesome, I’m regularly running guitar on input one and synths on input two…speaking of synths, using it was a Fx unit on synths is goddamn awesome. |
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Post by gwlee7 on Jun 21, 2024 21:51:04 GMT -6
I’ve been watching folk on YouTube running the whole kit and caboodle! Tube amp > Suhr RL > Axe FX III (I.R’s and FX) and analog pedals in the FX loop > AES > DAW!! (the routing on the Axe FX III is brilliant) It’s very impressive the sheer flexibility and then when you want an amp you don’t have ( I only have a couple of tube amps) you just dial one in inside the AXE FX III. I’m seriously impressed- the more I research the more I want one. I’ve started to be extra nice to Mrs Tenor The routing is truly impressive, that’s what sold me on it vs the Kemper. You can have multiple inputs and outputs running on the same patch so you actually use it for 2-3 different instruments at the same time before you run out of dsp. It’s awesome, I’m regularly running guitar on input one and synths on input two…speaking of synths, using it was a Fx unit on synths is goddamn awesome. So are you saying that it can handle more than one player at the time? So two guitarists can share one unit either in studio or live? |
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Post by thehightenor on Jun 22, 2024 1:51:35 GMT -6
I’ve been watching folk on YouTube running the whole kit and caboodle! Tube amp > Suhr RL > Axe FX III (I.R’s and FX) and analog pedals in the FX loop > AES > DAW!! (the routing on the Axe FX III is brilliant) It’s very impressive the sheer flexibility and then when you want an amp you don’t have ( I only have a couple of tube amps) you just dial one in inside the AXE FX III. I’m seriously impressed- the more I research the more I want one. I’ve started to be extra nice to Mrs Tenor The routing is truly impressive, that’s what sold me on it vs the Kemper. You can have multiple inputs and outputs running on the same patch so you actually use it for 2-3 different instruments at the same time before you run out of dsp. It’s awesome, I’m regularly running guitar on input one and synths on input two…speaking of synths, using it was a Fx unit on synths is goddamn awesome. Wow, I didn’t realise it had that much capability! It just goes to show dedicated hardware is always the better solution even in the digital world. |
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 4, 2024 0:15:25 GMT -6
I should add editing from the panel on the unit blows chunks ... its a must to edit with the software. and...... the thing about tonex is...its a static picture..its an amp at one set of settings...and the adjustments it did have were pointless... I could never really get anything to gel the way I wanted...this is not like that cheers Wiz Hey Wiz, A couple of questions. You've had similar amps to my current amps (Tine King Imperial - Princeton Reverb) How's the Fractal for that "edge of breakup sound"? How's the feel of the unit? I've lost my facility to record loud guitars and so I'm looking at load boxes and they always feel a bit "spongy" does the Axe FX has a slightly spongy feel or is it dynamically responsive like an amp and cab? Thanks |
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Post by wiz on Jul 4, 2024 0:58:08 GMT -6
I should add editing from the panel on the unit blows chunks ... its a must to edit with the software. and...... the thing about tonex is...its a static picture..its an amp at one set of settings...and the adjustments it did have were pointless... I could never really get anything to gel the way I wanted...this is not like that cheers Wiz Hey Wiz, A couple of questions. You've had similar amps to my current amps (Tine King Imperial - Princeton Reverb) How's the Fractal for that "edge of breakup sound"? How's the feel of the unit? I've lost my facility to record loud guitars and so I'm looking at load boxes and they always feel a bit "spongy" does the Axe FX has a slightly spongy feel or is it dynamically responsive like an amp and cab? Thanks Hey bud it feels as close to an amp as I have ever played in a modeller... the feel is really great.. the reverbs are outstanding as good as UAD. The compressor is great. The only way you are going to know,.. is to play it....they have a 15 day return....I haven't run into not having processor problems with it so far....but I am not doing huge routing which doesnt sound like you will either.... cheers Wiz |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 4, 2024 8:44:20 GMT -6
wiz you tried that AC-30 Brilliant? To me, that might be the best take on a real AC30 brilliant channel out there. It can cut glass if not tamed, but the real one is the same.
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