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Post by Tbone81 on Jul 26, 2024 14:02:49 GMT -6
Have you ever heard the Buzz Audio DBC-20 diode bridge compressor? I've not heard one - but I've yet to read a negative comment. I've always wanted to try one - lovely build quality too (as all Buzz gear is) The Buzz DBC 20 is phenomenal but not at all like a 33609/2254, at least not imho. The 33609 has a stronger box tone and different compression behavior. The DBC act more like a vari mu in action. Ymmv
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Post by Dan on Jul 26, 2024 14:05:17 GMT -6
Behringer pretty much stopped advancement into utility gear and better live sound stuff. Drawmer moved onto crazy stuff and Aphex died. They killed off KT and Tannoy. SSL committed harakiri in slow motion and the decapitation never came. Luckily great digital took over but it's not analog and only really available on computers except for the handful of good Waves utilitarian plugs and the old Oxford stuff on Avid venue systems. The clones and emulations hold productions back. There's still cool new stuff of course but the big boys are competing with Behringer or selling to educational institutions.
This is in despite of for audio ICs and clocking getting much better. THAT Corp stuff is great and cheap but how do you sell a super advanced, all in one, analog engine based units to people who don't know how to use a compressor and want to use what Jimmy Page used for noisy 70s DI guitars and what CLA used to make distorted vocals that never jump out of the speaker in those late 90s and early 2000s productions? How do you sell stuff inspired by classic circuits but heavily cleaned up to not be ringing, resonant, distorted, muddy pieces of crap that had to be worked around? They don't even know why this stuff had nasty side effects because they worship it and old productions where the distortion was usually worked around. Then they buy clones and emulations that often defeat the functionality because the cloner has no idea how to use the piece either and why it is usable or sounded cool. Sometimes the original manufacturer is making clones or emulations that are self-defeating. Behringer was just the original cloner and muntzer but was cloning contemporary stuff.
Dan
So...after demo'ing it, you do like the Behringer 369? i'm not buying anything behringer or diode bridge. i'm sure other people love some of the recent neve ones but behringer is an open support for junk circuitry, e-waste, and factory conditions so bad there are suicide nets in behringer city.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 26, 2024 14:23:27 GMT -6
So...after demo'ing it, you do like the Behringer 369? i'm not buying anything behringer or diode bridge. i'm sure other people love some of the recent neve ones but behringer is an open support for junk circuitry, e-waste, and factory conditions so bad there are suicide nets in behringer city. You're not gonna like where 80% of the products you use on a daily basis come from.
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Post by ab101 on Jul 26, 2024 14:23:41 GMT -6
Heritage ha-609a has great box tone. Smooth too with great features.
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Post by ab101 on Jul 26, 2024 14:26:46 GMT -6
As to China, yes, a lot of what we have has China involvement.
But I believe that the best out of China involves great design, oversight and QC by international partners. Do I trust Behringer for that? No.
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Post by Dan on Jul 26, 2024 14:43:50 GMT -6
i'm not buying anything behringer or diode bridge. i'm sure other people love some of the recent neve ones but behringer is an open support for junk circuitry, e-waste, and factory conditions so bad there are suicide nets in behringer city. You're not gonna like where 80% of the products you use on a daily basis come from. don't have to buy behringer though
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 26, 2024 14:45:04 GMT -6
Have you ever heard the Buzz Audio DBC-20 diode bridge compressor? I've not heard one - but I've yet to read a negative comment. I've always wanted to try one - lovely build quality too (as all Buzz gear is) The Buzz DBC 20 is phenomenal but not at all like a 33609/2254, at least not imho. The 33609 has a stronger box tone and different compression behavior. The DBC act more like a vari mu in action. Ah, I already have a few vari-mu's. So maybe not for then. The only comp GR type I lack is a DB - maybe I too should be demoing this Behringer unit
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Post by thehightenor on Jul 26, 2024 14:50:05 GMT -6
i'm not buying anything behringer or diode bridge. i'm sure other people love some of the recent neve ones but behringer is an open support for junk circuitry, e-waste, and factory conditions so bad there are suicide nets in behringer city. You're not gonna like where 80% of the products you use on a daily basis come from. Exactly!!
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Post by ericn on Jul 26, 2024 15:40:23 GMT -6
i'm not buying anything behringer or diode bridge. i'm sure other people love some of the recent neve ones but behringer is an open support for junk circuitry, e-waste, and factory conditions so bad there are suicide nets in behringer city. You're not gonna like where 80% of the products you use on a daily basis come from. Or what’s inside, funny story a very very liberal guy I know who is completely anti Koch brothers shows up proud that he bought a Manley/ Langvin ELOP, going off on how “ made in Chino not China , not funding any of his perceived enemies…. Open it up see these Molex conectors Ummm you do know who owns Molex.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 26, 2024 17:58:06 GMT -6
Well…I did it. Should be here middle of next week.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 26, 2024 18:53:34 GMT -6
Well…I did it. Should be here middle of next week. I’m not really concerned about it sounding like a 33609, but I don’t want it being a weak link in the chain either. Hoping it doesn’t “Warm” up the sound if you know what I’m saying lol. Initially, I’m going to run it after a pair of Heiders…probably using it pretty subtly. But if it’s heavy handed there, I could always use it for AG Bus.
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Post by ab101 on Jul 26, 2024 18:57:17 GMT -6
Thanks Johnkenn for "hosting" our open discussion. It is great that people can disagree on this board with professionalism. I hope it is awesome for you.
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Post by ericn on Jul 26, 2024 21:28:27 GMT -6
Well…I did it. Should be here middle of next week. I’m not really concerned about it sounding like a 33609, but I don’t want it being a weak link in the chain either. Hoping it doesn’t “Warm” up the sound if you know what I’m saying lol. Initially, I’m going to run it after a pair of Heiders…probably using it pretty subtly. But if it’s heavy handed there, I could always use it for AG Bus. Yeah the problem with so many clones including plugins, is there seams to be that they have to multiply what they seam to feel is the desired tone. What always worries me with budget clones is that the transformers seam to over saturate way to easily. Who knows maybe Uli will suprise us all, just be prepared to be disappointed after the honeymoon.
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Post by andersmv on Jul 27, 2024 10:02:24 GMT -6
I put in a lowball bid for a Successor...see what happens. But I should just buy this instead, shouldn't I? Based off of what I’ve seen from Heritage as of late, all well build and sounds amazing. I’m going to potentially take a look at their successor and 609 for a review sometime soon.
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Post by Dan on Jul 27, 2024 10:53:06 GMT -6
I’m not really concerned about it sounding like a 33609, but I don’t want it being a weak link in the chain either. Hoping it doesn’t “Warm” up the sound if you know what I’m saying lol. Initially, I’m going to run it after a pair of Heiders…probably using it pretty subtly. But if it’s heavy handed there, I could always use it for AG Bus. Yeah the problem with so many clones including plugins, is there seams to be that they have to multiply what they seam to feel is the desired tone. What always worries me with budget clones is that the transformers seam to over saturate way to easily. Who knows maybe Uli will suprise us all, just be prepared to be disappointed after the honeymoon. they have to crank up the lofi and the ringing or replace the more interesting parts with "cheap parts" distortion or cheap ways to make normal things distort like starved plates, intentionally distorting transformers, jfets, vcas, simple wave shaping functions and soft clippers in digital, in ways that do not sound that great.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 27, 2024 11:29:41 GMT -6
I put in a lowball bid for a Successor...see what happens. But I should just buy this instead, shouldn't I? Based off of what I’ve seen from Heritage as of late, all well build and sounds amazing. I’m going to potentially take a look at their successor and 609 for a review sometime soon. I lowballed and got denied on Reverb…so, I just went with this 369…we will see.
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Post by andersmv on Jul 27, 2024 12:10:22 GMT -6
Based off of what I’ve seen from Heritage as of late, all well build and sounds amazing. I’m going to potentially take a look at their successor and 609 for a review sometime soon. I lowballed and got denied on Reverb…so, I just went with this 369…we will see. If I end up with a Successor and you end up with the 369 at the same time, let's swap some files.
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Post by paulcheeba on Jul 29, 2024 17:25:48 GMT -6
I put in a lowball bid for a Successor...see what happens. But I should just buy this instead, shouldn't I? Based off of what I’ve seen from Heritage as of late, all well build and sounds amazing. I’m going to potentially take a look at their successor and 609 for a review sometime soon. I used to adore Heritage gear in fact I have 8 hand made module’s and 2 racks before AMS came and hit with a writ cos he sounded the best in the world imo and his. Haven’t heard the new Walwart stuff but I don’t imagine it would beat the Stam 609.
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Post by theshea on Jul 30, 2024 0:44:51 GMT -6
Based off of what I’ve seen from Heritage as of late, all well build and sounds amazing. I’m going to potentially take a look at their successor and 609 for a review sometime soon. I used to adore Heritage gear in fact I have 8 hand made module’s and 2 racks before AMS came and hit with a writ cos he sounded the best in the world imo and his. Haven’t heard the new Walwart stuff but I don’t imagine it would beat the Stam 609. did you try the heritage and the stam 33609? how do they compare on mixbus? which one has the depht and tone?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 30, 2024 8:08:39 GMT -6
Based off of what I’ve seen from Heritage as of late, all well build and sounds amazing. I’m going to potentially take a look at their successor and 609 for a review sometime soon. I used to adore Heritage gear in fact I have 8 hand made module’s and 2 racks before AMS came and hit with a writ cos he sounded the best in the world imo and his. Haven’t heard the new Walwart stuff but I don’t imagine it would beat the Stam 609. Yeah. Walmart. 🙄
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Post by Johnkenn on Jul 30, 2024 8:13:32 GMT -6
I used to adore Heritage gear in fact I have 8 hand made module’s and 2 racks before AMS came and hit with a writ cos he sounded the best in the world imo and his. Haven’t heard the new Walwart stuff but I don’t imagine it would beat the Stam 609. did you try the heritage and the stam 33609? how do they compare on mixbus? which one has the depht and tone? I had the stam on mixbus for a while. It’s great. Really want another one now that there’s a mix knob - wish there was HPF…
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Post by theshea on Jul 30, 2024 10:17:27 GMT -6
did you try the heritage and the stam 33609? how do they compare on mixbus? which one has the depht and tone? I had the stam on mixbus for a while. It’s great. Really want another one now that there’s a mix knob - wish there was HPF… i am totally new to the neve 33609. online i hear it giving width and a depth and punch. that would get me a big step further mixingwise and it seems versatile, good vor rock pop and quieter styles too.
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Post by paulcheeba on Aug 2, 2024 0:19:15 GMT -6
did you try the heritage and the stam 33609? how do they compare on mixbus? which one has the depht and tone? I had the stam on mixbus for a while. It’s great. Really want another one now that there’s a mix knob - wish there was HPF… I like the 2264 modules a lot. Great on vocals, dark chocolate. The Successor is a fun easy box but nothing like the wonderful Stam which sounds superb on most buses but drums oh yeah!
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Post by thehightenor on Aug 2, 2024 11:02:52 GMT -6
I had the stam on mixbus for a while. It’s great. Really want another one now that there’s a mix knob - wish there was HPF… I like the 2264 modules a lot. Great on vocals, dark chocolate. The Successor is a fun easy box but nothing like the wonderful Stam which sounds superb on most buses but drums oh yeah! Paul, when you say drum bus. Are you putting the whole kit on the drum bus and adding some overall compression - and then some elements like snare - kick already have individual channel compression?
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Post by paulcheeba on Aug 2, 2024 12:50:20 GMT -6
I like the 2264 modules a lot. Great on vocals, dark chocolate. The Successor is a fun easy box but nothing like the wonderful Stam which sounds superb on most buses but drums oh yeah! Paul, when you say drum bus. Are you putting the whole kit on the drum bus and adding some overall compression - and then some elements like snare - kick already have individual channel compression? I have kick and snare limited and pointed with Nvelope transient design and all the OH, Percussion and stuff gets a mixture of verbs and saturation.
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